Some Pit Education

[RD]

I apologize, Blue, it was me that started it with that statement. i'll edit it out.

 

[RockstarKennelz]

I'm not a Pit Bull person, but please tell me . . . How does this dog fit the standard? I see now that he is not pitifully thin, but structurally he is not balanced, IMO. I would be afraid to let a dog built like this do something like weight-pull. .

Nonetheless, he is famed internationally because of his athleticism.

The other dogs shown in this thread do appear to be in good shape. I understand that camera angle and lighting can have a lot to do with how the dog appears. However, I think the comments about that female being just a pet fed high quality food is complete and utter bullshit. My pets are fed high quality food. I know pet Pit Bulls that are fed high quality food. The only Pits that I know of with that kind of muscle on them are the dogs that are extensively exercised in order to build muscle. Treadmilling, weight pulling, etc. NO WAY can a couch potato build up that kind of muscle, and I don't care how genetically perfect they are. A kid from a long line of bodybuilders that doesn't work out will never be in bodybuilder shape. Not even close.

Well, since I bred her, I'm flattered that you must think I've achieved the impossible. She has two sisters and a brother that look much like her, yet they were raised in kennels with exercise consisting of romps in the yard, and leash-walking. Although Lil Bit is a house dog, she is the antithesis of a lazy couch potato.

I entered this thread with an open mind but I am disgusted that those of you who claim to love these dogs are in agreement with letting them rip each other apart for entertainment. I have learned very little from your posts, all I've gotten out of them was the impression that you are not being entirely honest with us.

I would rather listen to someone who can state their opinions and beliefs honestly, take the heat from the people who disagree, and still attempt to educate.

I don't see anyone here condoning such a thing.

 

[tommyt]

1.) My housedogs do not look like her because they aren't Pit Bulls.
2.) Perhaps then, this is a case of the owner using lighting and camera angle to make her look like she's more muscular than she really is.
3.) Human OR dog, if muscles are not used, they will not develop to that extent. That bitch did not get that physique from walking around the house and sitting on the sofa.

1. Oh
2. She actually looks ALOT better and much more muscular in person. No camera angles or lighting tricks. If anything the angle and lighting hurt the picture.
3. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. However, you may want to do some research because I and many thousands of APBT owners have seen otherwise hundreds of times.

 

[tommyt]

To this point you and other new members where doing a great job making up for Gamedogs lack of tact and info.

I like to swear and toss profanities around with the best of them, just not here.

Read RD's post. It was a direct reply to his/her comment that Gamedogs was speaking "utter bu****". However, I do apologize.

 

[silverpawz]

Stepping aside from my abhorrence of any sort of animal fighting, be it dog fighting, cock fighting, bear baiting, etc. it must be remembered that the internet - and many forums - are international communities and even though an activity is illegal and considered unethical in one part of the world, there are other societies with differing laws and views. We may not like it. We may not agree. But that's the way it is. We can make rules within our own forum communities and enforce them here for our own reasons, but to simply say something cannot be mentioned because it is illegal doesn't wash.

You're right. I should have put in my opinion it's not okay. If someone wants to allow that kind of talk on their own forum that's their right. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it though.

 

[Delisay]

and yes, Delisay, I was speaking to this group as if we are in the US and taking for granted our Western cultural values and laws. am I wrong?

Well you told me in no uncertain terms that I was (for merely mentioning traditional gentleman's sports), so I don't know - I'll leave that up to you!!

D.

 

[RD]

First of all, thank you and TommyT for being polite in your replies, rather than defensive. Questions:

Machobuck shows athleticism in what areas, precisely? He looks ripped, but what does he DO?

After reading your statements, I am more inclined to believe that Lil Bit simply isn't as "ripped" as she appeared in that first photo. She probably is in good shape, but I simply can't imagine a dog looking like she does in that photo, just by being a house pet. Perhaps I was wrong and it was just the miracle of photography that made her look that way. Sorry, maybe I'm just set in my ways as a pet owner. I have a 2 year old dog that, at the peak of his working season, would run about 15 miles, nonstop. I know what a dog in good shape is. My dog developed BIG muscles after all that running. He also lost the majority of his body fat. It's my EXPERIENCE that muscles develop with exercise.
As for her never being worked, I just have a hard time believing that. No offense if it's true, it's just my opinion.

I am not seeing anybody outright condoning the sport of dogfighting like they did on the game-dog board. What I am seeing is a lot of avoidance and half-answers. Most dog lovers shudder with disgust when dog fighting is brought up. Yet, oddly, none of you have shown that type of reaction. Perhaps it's because you are used to it in the breed, but . . . I suppose I expected a stronger response against it from the supposedly responsible Pit Bull owners.

Edit: I'm out for now. I don't want to ruffle any feathers nor do I want to get in any trouble with the mods here.

 

[blue]

Read RD's post. It was a direct reply to his/her comment that Gamedogs was speaking "utter bu****". However, I do apologize.

My appologies for not reading the quote or her original post better, thank you.

I apologize, Blue, it was me that started it with that statement. i'll edit it out.

RD thank you for editting that.

 

[2nd2none]

So the only way to be 'responsible' in owning a pit is to keep him chained? Since when? If you absolutly cannot have your dogs in the house because they'll rip eachother apart, then build some good size kennels.
Of course...that would cost more money than just buying a chain....

no, never said the word "only". a good/proper chain set up is a part of being a good/responsible APBT owner.

...part...

 

[silverpawz]

no, never said the word "only". a good/proper chain set up is a part of being a good/responsible APBT owner.

I don't understand how using a chain can be considered better than a kennel? Maybe if you get the smallest run size then sure, a chain might give better square footage, BUT one can easily buy two large kennels and merge them together. That alone would give the dog a huge amount of space. I can't possibly see how chaining would be better than that.

Not to mention that if someone has dogs that are tearing each other up on a regualr basis, maybe they should only have one dog. Then they shouldn't have a problem keeping him in the house. Just my opinion of course...

 

[molena]

I am not seeing anybody outright condoning the sport of dogfighting like they did on the game-dog board. What I am seeing is a lot of avoidance and half-answers. Most dog lovers shudder with disgust when dog fighting is brought up. Yet, oddly, none of you have shown that type of reaction. Perhaps it's because you are used to it in the breed, but . . . I suppose I expected a stronger response against it from the supposedly responsible Pit Bull owners.

uhm... avoidance and half-answers? from what i see, the pit bull owners here have been nothing but patient and forthcoming, despite repeated questions on everything from facts to innuendo (and those mingled with insults.) Gamedogs has been challenged in post after post as to the condition of his own dog! i'm outta here.

 

[tommyt]

First of all, thank you and TommyT for being polite in your replies, rather than defensive. Questions:

Machobuck shows athleticism in what areas, precisely? He looks ripped, but what does he DO?

After reading your statements, I am more inclined to believe that Lil Bit simply isn't as "ripped" as she appeared in that first photo. She probably is in good shape, but I simply can't imagine a dog looking like she does in that photo, just by being a house pet. Perhaps I was wrong and it was just the miracle of photography that made her look that way.

I am not seeing anybody outright condoning the sport of dogfighting like they did on the game-dog board. What I am seeing is a lot of avoidance and half-answers. Most dog lovers shudder with disgust when dog fighting is brought up. Yet, oddly, none of you have shown that type of reaction. Perhaps it's because you are used to it in the breed, but . . . I suppose I expected a stronger response against it from the supposedly responsible Pit Bull owners.

Myself, among others, do not condone dogfighting. However, we do keep APBTs and have all fallen in love with the breed. Therefore, we know the history of the breed, which is dogfighting. We are not so quick to freak out when we hear the term "dogfighting" simply because we are used to it and we know that it is what developed this breed that we love so much. However, there is a thick line between knowing your history and fighting dogs. Dogfighting, these days, is frowned upon by myself and the vast majority of the members of our board. A dogfighting ring that is busted and thrown around every news station is a huge blow to our breed. This is not accepted by our members any more than yours.

By the way, once again, Lil Bit is like that simply by genetics. No camera angles or anything. Believe it or not, it is the truth.

 

[RockstarKennelz]

"Machobuck shows athleticism in what areas, precisely? He looks ripped, but what does he DO?"

I believe it's already been established that Macho is -er, was- a Grand Champion fighting dog (out of Ecuador.) He is now living in the states and, fortunately, retired to the show ring.

 

[blue]

uhm... avoidance and half-answers? from what i see, the pit bull owners here have been nothing but patient and forthcoming, despite repeated questions on everything from facts to innuendo (and those mingled with insults.) Gamedogs has been challenged in post after post as to the condition of HIS OWN DOG!!! i'm outta here.

The exception was Gamedogs and thats from his first post in this thread. Any information we got from him allmost had to be dragged out of him and some of that he only gave half or mocking answers.

The rest of the new members that are pitbull owners have been much more foreth coming with there answers and information not just about their dogs but the breed in general, and I appreciate that.

 

[tommyt]

I don't understand how using a chain can be considered better than a kennel? Maybe if you get the smallest run size then sure, a chain might give better square footage, BUT one can easily buy two large kennels and merge them together. That alone would give the dog a huge amount of space. I can't possibly see how chaining would be better than that.

Not to mention that if someone has dogs that are tearing each other up on a regualr basis, maybe they should only have one dog. Then they shouldn't have a problem keeping him in the house. Just my opinion of course...

I have had dogs that would get out of a kennel in a matter of minutes. I actually watched my dog climb the kennel and pry the roof apart with his mouth until he got out. You can't use a kennel if they can get out of them so easily. That is why chains are used.

 

[silverpawz]

That does make sense. However, they do make heavy duty kennels specifically for dogs that like to escape. If they makes ones that can contain high drive working dogs like police and narcotics dogs I'm sure there's one available to contain a Pit escape artist.

 

[RD]

Thank you, Tommy, for the explanation. I can understand getting used to it after learning so much about it, as the history of your breed. To people like me who are not used to it, the rather indifferent approach to the dogfighting issue tends to come off as approval, even if it wasn't intended that way.

Rock - I did not know that Macho is out of Ecuador. I assume then that dogfighting is legal there? I just don't know why people in the United States would want to keep their dogs in fighting shape if they were never going to fight their dogs. It doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you both, again. This is my last post here, promise

Molena - I was referring to Gamedogs and some of the members of the game-dog forum that I have a feeling are now lurking on this thread. The others here have been pleasant and informative in their posts, and I appreciate that!

 

[molena]

I just don't know why people in the United States would want to keep their dogs in fighting shape if they were never going to fight their dogs. It doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you both, again. This is my last post here, promise

most people don't, which is why you're not used to seeing it. but that is the breed standard and that condition is likely to win in the conformation show ring. and like iil bit, some do just look that way without conditioning, based on excellent care and breeding.

my last post too, promise.

 

[2nd2none]

Not to mention that if someone has dogs that are tearing each other up on a regualr basis,... QUOTE]


That's what you strive to avoid.

in order to own this breed, you need to know/count on them not getting along, and prepare your living quarters accordingly.

 

[silverpawz]

I have to ask then, why have dogs that you know from the start will have to live their lives away from a family 'pack'? What's the point of owning a dog if it can't be part of your family?

What joy does somone get from having a yard full of chained dogs? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just don't understand.