Some Pit Education

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  1. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    There were some photos posted in another thread of some Pits. Some of you were appalled at their lack of bodyfat, others of you were curious. Three people who are familiar with those dogs posted and I closed the thread before animosities broke out and invited them to educate us about their Pits and conditioning, letting them know that Chaz members are a curious bunch and mostly willing to listen and learn, and that the only things we really have no patience for are BYBS/puppymillers and dog fighting.

    So, how about we listen, ask questions and learn ;)
     
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    Here's the picture of the dog...

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    I just saw the thread, and I wanted to post but it was closed. I actually thought the second pit looked great, but I want to know how far my "standard" for a pit is from the real standard.
     
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    I wonder if I would be ripped like that simply from dragging a 3/8" chain around. Im curious what the collar is made of to not be the weak link in that chain. @26,000lbs breaking strength on 3/8" chain compaired to about 6000lb breaking strength on the nylon if it is 2" which it looks smaller, seems like the fellow here is training for the olympics.
     
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    Wow I've never seen a dog quite that ripped:yikes: but I don't have enough knowledge to know wether a dog looking like that can in fact be healthy. The chain is certainly off putting since chained dogs don't usually have very good lives and yes indeed that looks to be on an awfully heavy chain --certainly makes you wonder....
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    That's what this thread is for . . . to ask civil questions and learn something. I said you guys were a curious bunch of people who were open to learning new things.
     
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    I've got to be honest the musculan pic in the first thread looking unnatural...but tbh im not used to seeing these dogs much in the UK...i'm glad you posted more because it was obvious they are in very good condition...lovely shining coats etc.
    Sorry if you've already said but are these dogs your pets aswell or do you have kennels or something?
     
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    Char_06 Milo*Shady*&NaNuks*Mum

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    Also wondering what kind of competitions do you go in for? Sorry if im abit slow..i dont know much about the breed.
     
  9. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    i'm curious about why the nickname "gamedogs" since no ethical dog owner or pit bull lover would ever really know if their dogs are game or not, since they'd never roll them to find out.

    p.s. i think the dog looks fabulous.
     
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    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    Is that all ???? no more info bout your dogs than the picture :rolleyes: ....???

    If I remember correctly we already saw the picture.......
     
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    Now, Jess . . . we already know you're game :D
     
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    soooo..... I missed the other thread, is someone going to tell us what that dog does to become so muscled or and why exactly it is chained out with that monster chain or what? ......
     
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    Sorry :)... I really dont have anything to say...I didnt even post in the OT...:D

    K...going about my business now ;)
     
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    Thanks so much for re-opening discussion in this sort of open-minded way! I'm sure Gamedogs will respond about Lil Bit, the dog in the picture, and on the question of tethering. But as to the quality of gameness - many believe it can be demonstrated or even "tested" in lots of sporting activities which are not illegal. Weight-pulling, dock-jumping and hog hunting are a few. Others, it's true, believe gameness can never be tested except in through fighting. Still, it's a quality that people admire and discuss often in relation to pit bulls, and honoring the breed's history as a fighter doesn't necessarily mean a person is unethical! Think of it like how people honor war heroes - Americans do that all the time without advocating war. Many pit bull enthusiasts enjoy owning "game-bred" bloodlines because that is where the APBT came from, and gameness is the "truest" breed standard we have in terms of the breed's original function.
     
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    Lol... you can wonder all you like, but as for your so-called fact about a "3/8 inch" chain, I'd like to know where you came up with that? I also want to know what 3/8" chain you know of that has a "26,000lbs breaking strength"? Even the "working load limit" on a 3\8" grade 120 chain is 10,600lbs, which is the strongest chain, in the U.S.A. that you can buy and is less than half of what you stated. Even a 3\8" grade 43 (the grade that we use that is lighter than grade 30) is 5,400lbs WLL... the actual truth about the matter, rather than voicing your opinion and stating it as fact, is that it is a 1\4" grade 43 chain that has a WLL of 2,600lbs and weighs 0.65lbs per foot. So let's do the math here about the supposed "heavy chain"... since she is actually a house dog, and rarely ever even on a chain, she is kept on an 8 foot chain and 8 * 0.65 is 5.2lbs... not sure if that is considered heavy for just any dog, but it's like "dragging" a feather around to them. And another thing, who ever told you that my dog's collar has a "breaking strength" of anywhere near 6,000lbs?

    Refer to above, although you stated it as an opinion rather than fact, the same response would be mildly appropriate.

    Have you not heard of the phrase "looks can be deceiving?" I really couldn't care less if anyone thought it was unnatural or not, that's their opinion, and we all have one just like something else (not specifically directed toward you, only about the "unnatural" statement that many others have mentioned).

    Who or what says that I do? Does the shape, condition, or health of my dogs have to be for competitive reasons? I occasionally show my dogs, and although I'm sure you would see it as competition, I see it more as for fun and to talk to fellow "dog" people.

    Well... to be honest, ethics has nothing to do with gameness (although I do not game test my dogs), it is more political brainwash and public deception than anything. And, the reason for the nickname "gamedogs" is because they are American Pit Bull Terriers, not "pitbulls" and they are game-bred dogs (the entire actual "breed", because if they are ever bred for anything else, within 2-3 generations, maybe a couple more, if you're lucky, they will no longer have any of the traits of a game dog other than the fact that they tend to make good family dogs, if bred properly). Also, to top that off, since the username "Marty" was taken, I decided on "Gamedogs" because of my website, game-dog.com (I'm not advertising, which is why it isn't a link, only explaining to try to be "helpful" if I can even call it that).

    Lol, you seem to be extremely impatient, I'll tell you how she become so "muscled", but first... "monster chain"? Lol, that is funny... but anyway, the way she became so "muscled" is being raised for about 14 months (so far) in the house, being fed extreme premium dog food, and is from solid genetics (something you may want to research).

    And, since there was more than one post about the "heavy chain"... here are some pictures without a chain to make you feel better.

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    iheartsammy ME+DOGS=CRAZY

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    what dog food do you feed?
     
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    Very pretty dog.
     
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    I dont think the dog looks unhealthy or bad, being a pit owner myself and knowing the breed. He kind of looks like hes a weight puller, the the last pics posted. I think he could use a little weight on him, imo, the rib area.

    The only thing I cant stand about people breeding pit bulls now are the ones who are VERY bulky and fat looking. They are disgusting and definatly do not fit the ukc standard.

    Like so... http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/
     
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    In those (latest, actually older) pictures, she was being fed Canidae All Life Stages, in the picture that nearly everyone is complaining about, she was being fed Timberwolf Wild & Natural, now she is eating Timberwolf Lamb & Apple. That does not include any of my other dogs, currently, they are all getting some type of Timberwolf formula.

    Well, to be honest, "she" is actually a tad heavy (within a couple to a few pounds) if she were actually in perfect physical condition, but thankfully, that is only your opinion. :)

    I'm not sure where "breeding" got involved, that is an entirely different subject. And, about the UKC... my dogs do not fit UKC standards (actually Am Staff standards rather than APBT) as well as they do the original, updated, and modern ADBA standards.
     
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    Impressive! Canidae is one of my favorites for my dogs! >^_^<

    Do you do weight-pulling with your dog? It looks like a fun sport and I'd be tempted to try that out if I ever got a pit.
     
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