Some Pit Education
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Listen, you and I are shoulder to shoulder on this. I can tell you some stories of dogs who've come in with cig. burns, imbedded collars..the works, and the first thing the do is wag their tails through the pain and try to lick your face.
You make a good point, sadly their kindness towards humans paired with their DA does make them a huge target. Humans can be so cruel, horrible, greedy...but they are still cowards.
You make a good point, sadly their kindness towards humans paired with their DA does make them a huge target. Humans can be so cruel, horrible, greedy...but they are still cowards.
I find it funny that you condemn an owner who puts their dogs on a chain and talk about fighting against BSL. You people want to talk in circles and support irresponsible owners who allow their dogs to do things that will fuel, support, and increase BSL (Oh God no...) rather than seeing somebody properly contain their dogs and keep them safe. You all can keep talking in circles and acting like you know something about anything all you like, you have already proven to be oblivious of anything we have actually said other than the parts that you disagree with because you are ignorant.
I don't really see this going anywhere (Renee) if these people continue to "beat a dead horse." There is so much animosity and BS being slung around it is becoming completely intolerable and unbearable.
I don't really see this going anywhere (Renee) if these people continue to "beat a dead horse." There is so much animosity and BS being slung around it is becoming completely intolerable and unbearable.
understand what i'm saying,,,,listen slowly,,, ppl put there dogs on chains to try to make sure one doesn't get loose and get in a incident,,,when you have several pitbulls you can't let them run together unsupervised,,,not because they may fight,,, it when they fight,,, because several pitbull will never totally get along aqll the time,,
Gamedogs, I'm sorry you feel that way. Most of the posters on this thread are learning a great deal from all of you.
What you don't know is the background behind the thread (Oh, God No) that you've cited. This came as a surprise after the owner of the dogs had already reinforced and heightened her fence. The incident was regrettable, and she acted in a responsible manner toward the injured person and her cat. It's really unfair to drag her into this.
You all, as responsible and knowledgeable owners of APBTs, seem much more acutely aware of keeping your dogs contained - both for the safety of other animals and for the safety of your dogs than so many of the Pit-type dog owners we run into on a daily basis. I really do commend you for that and wish that ALL animal owners had that sensibility.
What you don't know is the background behind the thread (Oh, God No) that you've cited. This came as a surprise after the owner of the dogs had already reinforced and heightened her fence. The incident was regrettable, and she acted in a responsible manner toward the injured person and her cat. It's really unfair to drag her into this.
You all, as responsible and knowledgeable owners of APBTs, seem much more acutely aware of keeping your dogs contained - both for the safety of other animals and for the safety of your dogs than so many of the Pit-type dog owners we run into on a daily basis. I really do commend you for that and wish that ALL animal owners had that sensibility.
Right back at you...........been there, done that. Chaining = Laziness. 
And once again, in your attempt to protect your dogs from each other, I hope there are no stray DA dogs that stumble across their path.
And once again, in your attempt to protect your dogs from each other, I hope there are no stray DA dogs that stumble across their path.
laziness i don't think so,,,security for the dogs,,, to be able to sleep at night and know where your dogs are,,
mine aren't chained but if i didn't have my setup,,, i definately would,,, but trust me the one your picking with spends alot more time with his dogs than you do yours,,i bet,,
as far as a stray getting on one of mine,,,his bad i guess
I am not a child so I won't start the who spends more time with their dogs game. I don't have this passion for dogs and then neglect mine.
His bad you say? Because your dog is the toughest one out there, right?
His bad you say? Because your dog is the toughest one out there, right?
HOW can you be so judgemental? You have NO idea how this man ( or anyone else for that matter) treats his dogs. That neglect comment is way out of line & not helping your side of thigns at all. How about " you mind your business & I will mind mine". As long as he takes care of his dogs, what business is it of yours how he confines them?
I have never accused anyone of neglect, reread my post. I have stated that chaining is wrong. That is my opinion and I am free to express it.
I also refuse to mind my own business when it comes to the treatment of dogs, like it or not.
Actually, if anything, when I am out trying to educate people that have chained dogs, I am very friendly and easy going. I have my defenses up now because those involved with dogs who say they love them should know better.
I also refuse to mind my own business when it comes to the treatment of dogs, like it or not.
Actually, if anything, when I am out trying to educate people that have chained dogs, I am very friendly and easy going. I have my defenses up now because those involved with dogs who say they love them should know better.
You implied that by chaining dogs they are neglected. That is not always the case, sometiems yes but not always. Just because it is not something YOU do or agree with doesn't mean it is wrong. As long as they are loved, fed & taken care of & not running the streets who are you to say it is wrong? Or is it better if they are able to escape? Pit bulls are escape artists and IMO whatever it takes to keep them confined I am all for. I'd much rather see a dog on a chain than running the streets or escaping from fences or crated where they can't even stand up or turn around for hours at a time.
What people seems to not understand is that chaining dogs with the right setups and taking care about is another way to keep them.
Its not like you are chaining them and not feeding,giving him love or attentions.
The bad owners are bad with or withouth chains and the good owners if they decide to use chains is mainly because its the best way to keep them safe and happy.
Chaining or kennels,the important thing is the attention they get from their owners,so its dumb to say chaining a dog is cruel when its not true.
I have a single dog but if i had more on a yard i would do anything needed to preserve security to them,from external things and from eachother if they are DA, i dont see any problem chaining them to be honest.
Please someone tell me how is a bad thing to chain your dogs,cruel or abusive thing.
Btw, Gamedog, i seen your movie and its very nice, they sure love you, chained or not chained
EDIT: Alright, stop with the chain thing
Its not like you are chaining them and not feeding,giving him love or attentions.
The bad owners are bad with or withouth chains and the good owners if they decide to use chains is mainly because its the best way to keep them safe and happy.
Chaining or kennels,the important thing is the attention they get from their owners,so its dumb to say chaining a dog is cruel when its not true.
I have a single dog but if i had more on a yard i would do anything needed to preserve security to them,from external things and from eachother if they are DA, i dont see any problem chaining them to be honest.
Please someone tell me how is a bad thing to chain your dogs,cruel or abusive thing.
Btw, Gamedog, i seen your movie and its very nice, they sure love you, chained or not chained
EDIT: Alright, stop with the chain thing
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Savethebulliedbreeds:
Personally I would never chain my dog for the simple fact of being terriefied he would get off. I don't have proper chaining equiptment ect. My dog gets kenneled outside in a 8 X 10 run when we are not home for the most part. It has a top on it and a pad lock on the gate.
Nothing wrong with an individual not desiring to chain their dogs, don’t believe anyone has a problem with that. What I personally dislike is those that choose not to or opt to use a kennel or possibly even a crate in the house tend to make chaining out to be inhumane despite studies done! So for them I’ll use you as an example, but first I commend you for being responsible enough to at least properly contain them! Now you use an 8X10 kennel which is equivalent to 80 square feet now if one desired the same square footage they’d only need an 4.5 foot chain…never personally seen a dog on one so short.
As for the supposed weight burden that chain imposes on the dog a few brought up. I went out and looked at my tallest dog and counted the chain links until it touched the ground and add 8 more links (total of 16 links and 20inches in length). As I figure without any scientific testing by the time the chain got to the 8 link passed the one touching the ground it wouldn’t be adding any weight to the dog. I use 1/4'”, grade 70 chain on all my dogs which weighs 0.63lbs per foot. When adding the swivel, chain, #120 stainless steel S-hooks (2), stainless steel o-ring, and a 3/8” stainless steel swivel-comes to whopping weight of 2.76lbs. Now I’m sure that doesn’t really mean anything to most members of this board. So let’s put it into perspective the clothing I wore today (jeans size 32X36, button down shirt, socks, and shoes) weighted in at 6.54lbs. Surely a dog that is stronger, has more endurance, etc than I or the average man can tote around 237 times less then what I do for the majority of the day? I’d love to hear from the ‘chaining is cruel” inhumane group on how it is. I’d bet their “family member” pets carry around more than that in simply excessive weight.
J’s crew:
Just curious as to how you can compare the decision making process of a human to that of a dog?
Glad you’re curious as I’m equally curious as to why you can’t answer a single question? But to address your curiosity please show me where I compared any decision making process between the two? I simply referred to two similar events both athletes can/do partake in. After all a dog or any other pet doesn’t decide anything it's decided for them since their domestication.
Also, for your information, I work with a organization now that is trying to outlaw tethering of all kinds. In my work I try to educate people that own chained dogs, as well as people that own kenneled dogs. The laws in place now are absurd, so no, I do not feel that if you do things according to the law that everything is just honkey dory.
Good luck in that…hope you’re better at that endeavor than explaining your views and stances in here! Unsure how you could “educate” anyone as you have a board full of individuals seeking that knowledge you claim to possess on this thread and have yet to remotely began to educate anyone. Please start over and “educate” me, being I own dogs that are contained properly using a chain set-up!
And, if you read my post the first time you would have seen where it stated I do rescue.
Please stop rescuing dogs as you’re giving them a horrible image by your own admissions and inability to even explain your stance on any issues you claim to oppose.
Rescuing is not an excuse at all. The only reason I say it is less than ideal is because I would prefer them to all get along and be together.
Well come back to reality and start realizing that if it’s a “rescue” odds are it will be coming with baggage!
But, since they are passing through, it is much better to allow them to be inside, where there is no threat of them being hurt by the neighborhood bully, poisoned by the neighbor, or frustrated because they see me in the house and are dying to be with me, where they belong.
How about instead of worrying so much about others…you find a more appropriate area to live in so those morbid worries wouldn’t be an issue? I’ll bet dollars to donuts you’ve never once had a dog see you in the house and was dying to get in just to be with you. You have quite the imagination that is far from reality!
I really could care less if you believe me or not. I have no need to post pedigree's on the net to prove a point. Believe me, I am not the one trying to look macho here.....your the one with the dogs on a chain, remember???
In other words…you can’t because (1) you never had any, or (2) they were nothing more than mutts you’re claiming to be APBT’s? How is properly containing my dogs and being a responsible owner…trying to look “macho”?
Dr2little:
That's why I'm shocked that any one who truly loves this dog would not want to try to breed down their DA side. How selfish is it, knowing that as long as the are so DA they will be abused by many, that people who should be defending them...only care to defend their RIGHT to own them as they are now.
How clueless and selfish are you with such lunacy thinking? In order to deal with irresponsible owners, propaganda brought on by extremist and humane groups, simpletons, etc we as enthusiast should destroy the breed and what makes it what it is? If you honestly believe that would work get in contact with those of the German Shepard, Rottweilers, Neopolitan Mastiff, Doberman Pinscher, Dogue De Bordeaux, Jack Russell Terrier’s, etc the list is endless and see if it helped any of those breeds overcome the adversity of idiots, BYB, propaganda, humane societies “hit list”, etc!
Personally I would never chain my dog for the simple fact of being terriefied he would get off. I don't have proper chaining equiptment ect. My dog gets kenneled outside in a 8 X 10 run when we are not home for the most part. It has a top on it and a pad lock on the gate.
Nothing wrong with an individual not desiring to chain their dogs, don’t believe anyone has a problem with that. What I personally dislike is those that choose not to or opt to use a kennel or possibly even a crate in the house tend to make chaining out to be inhumane despite studies done! So for them I’ll use you as an example, but first I commend you for being responsible enough to at least properly contain them! Now you use an 8X10 kennel which is equivalent to 80 square feet now if one desired the same square footage they’d only need an 4.5 foot chain…never personally seen a dog on one so short.
As for the supposed weight burden that chain imposes on the dog a few brought up. I went out and looked at my tallest dog and counted the chain links until it touched the ground and add 8 more links (total of 16 links and 20inches in length). As I figure without any scientific testing by the time the chain got to the 8 link passed the one touching the ground it wouldn’t be adding any weight to the dog. I use 1/4'”, grade 70 chain on all my dogs which weighs 0.63lbs per foot. When adding the swivel, chain, #120 stainless steel S-hooks (2), stainless steel o-ring, and a 3/8” stainless steel swivel-comes to whopping weight of 2.76lbs. Now I’m sure that doesn’t really mean anything to most members of this board. So let’s put it into perspective the clothing I wore today (jeans size 32X36, button down shirt, socks, and shoes) weighted in at 6.54lbs. Surely a dog that is stronger, has more endurance, etc than I or the average man can tote around 237 times less then what I do for the majority of the day? I’d love to hear from the ‘chaining is cruel” inhumane group on how it is. I’d bet their “family member” pets carry around more than that in simply excessive weight.
J’s crew:
Just curious as to how you can compare the decision making process of a human to that of a dog?
Glad you’re curious as I’m equally curious as to why you can’t answer a single question? But to address your curiosity please show me where I compared any decision making process between the two? I simply referred to two similar events both athletes can/do partake in. After all a dog or any other pet doesn’t decide anything it's decided for them since their domestication.
Also, for your information, I work with a organization now that is trying to outlaw tethering of all kinds. In my work I try to educate people that own chained dogs, as well as people that own kenneled dogs. The laws in place now are absurd, so no, I do not feel that if you do things according to the law that everything is just honkey dory.
Good luck in that…hope you’re better at that endeavor than explaining your views and stances in here! Unsure how you could “educate” anyone as you have a board full of individuals seeking that knowledge you claim to possess on this thread and have yet to remotely began to educate anyone. Please start over and “educate” me, being I own dogs that are contained properly using a chain set-up!
And, if you read my post the first time you would have seen where it stated I do rescue.
Please stop rescuing dogs as you’re giving them a horrible image by your own admissions and inability to even explain your stance on any issues you claim to oppose.
Rescuing is not an excuse at all. The only reason I say it is less than ideal is because I would prefer them to all get along and be together.
Well come back to reality and start realizing that if it’s a “rescue” odds are it will be coming with baggage!
But, since they are passing through, it is much better to allow them to be inside, where there is no threat of them being hurt by the neighborhood bully, poisoned by the neighbor, or frustrated because they see me in the house and are dying to be with me, where they belong.
How about instead of worrying so much about others…you find a more appropriate area to live in so those morbid worries wouldn’t be an issue? I’ll bet dollars to donuts you’ve never once had a dog see you in the house and was dying to get in just to be with you. You have quite the imagination that is far from reality!
I really could care less if you believe me or not. I have no need to post pedigree's on the net to prove a point. Believe me, I am not the one trying to look macho here.....your the one with the dogs on a chain, remember???
In other words…you can’t because (1) you never had any, or (2) they were nothing more than mutts you’re claiming to be APBT’s? How is properly containing my dogs and being a responsible owner…trying to look “macho”?
Dr2little:
That's why I'm shocked that any one who truly loves this dog would not want to try to breed down their DA side. How selfish is it, knowing that as long as the are so DA they will be abused by many, that people who should be defending them...only care to defend their RIGHT to own them as they are now.
How clueless and selfish are you with such lunacy thinking? In order to deal with irresponsible owners, propaganda brought on by extremist and humane groups, simpletons, etc we as enthusiast should destroy the breed and what makes it what it is? If you honestly believe that would work get in contact with those of the German Shepard, Rottweilers, Neopolitan Mastiff, Doberman Pinscher, Dogue De Bordeaux, Jack Russell Terrier’s, etc the list is endless and see if it helped any of those breeds overcome the adversity of idiots, BYB, propaganda, humane societies “hit list”, etc!
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