Some Pit Education

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Great post, TX. Glad to see you back even if it's just for a short while. I always look forward to what you have to say. And I find it funny that no one said "No" when I asked if it was better to leave my dogs locked up in kennels inside almost 24/7 so they can be in the home & with the family. Seems this form of "humane" treatment is acceptable. And IMO, it's easier to forget about a dog locked away in a kennel in another room.

Just a little FYI: I used to keep my dogs in kennels during the day while at work & kenneled again at night. I usually have anywheres from 13-14 dogs at my house (13 presently). However, once having to leave work due to pregnancy complications, we made better chain setups & I began to leave my dogs outside during the day. And what a difference! Now I cannot get any of them to willingly go into their kennels during the day. Of course they all get rotated inside throughout the day, but I dare you to try to get them into their kennels! For some of them, after a play session and/or nap inside, they are whining by the back door wanting back out. Because I have a few night barkers, I still bring them inside at night (usually around 11pm & they are put back out at 6am) but once we move, they will stay out at night in their wonderful houses my husband built. In my EXPERIENCE, dogs prefer to be outside where they can bask in the sunlight, dig & play in the mud, & watch the goings on around them (birds, squirrels, etc.). Even when they are not getting worked or walked, they still receive more mental stimulation outside than they do inside. So call me what you will, but I won't care. I know my dogs are probably living a better life than your own mainly because I care more about them than I do yours & it seems you care more about what's going on with my dogs than you do your own.

I cannot speak for anyone here but myself in regards to the chain/kennel issue. Personally I would never chain my dog for the simple fact of being terriefied he would get off. I don't have proper chaining equiptment ect. My dog gets kenneled outside in a 8 X 10 run when we are not home for the most part. It has a top on it and a pad lock on the gate.

When you think about it there is really no difference between chaining (with proper equiptment) and kenneling (outside), just personal prefference. Or at least to me anyways. I can see people having a problem with dogs being chained 24/7/365 with little or no human interaction and not being let off. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you all do that, so please don't take offense.

I don't think it is proper for constant confinement in the house in a crate either (not saying that you chazzers do that).

Pretty much, if a dog is being fed, watered, cared for properly, has time with its owner and time to run around and play I don't see a problem with any of the options.

 

[J's crew]

Texasbulldogs,

Just curious as to how you can compare the decision making process of a human to that of a dog? Kind of silly, IMO.

Also, for your information, I work with a organization now that is trying to outlaw tethering of all kinds. In my work I try to educate people that own chained dogs, as well as people that own kenneled dogs. The laws in place now are absurd, so no, I do not feel that if you do things according to the law that everything is just honkey dory.

And, if you read my post the first time you would have seen where it stated I do rescue. I have not purposely gone out and got DA dogs. They are not in my home for life, the ones that are there for life get along great. But that was due to the fact that I thought about the combination of dogs I was making a commitment to. Sure, an issue can arise where some dogs may not get along, but to purposely get 5 or 6 dogs and chain them, nope not me.
Rescuing is not an excuse at all. The only reason I say it is less than ideal is because I would prefer them to all get along and be together. But, since they are passing through, it is much better to allow them to be inside, where there is no threat of them being hurt by the neighborhood bully, poisoned by the neighbor, or frustrated because they see me in the house and are dying to be with me, where they belong.

I really could care less if you believe me or not. I have no need to post pedigree's on the net to prove a point. Believe me, I am not the one trying to look macho here.....your the one with the dogs on a chain, remember???

 

[cheeky]

I cannot speak for anyone here but myself in regards to the chain/kennel issue. Personally I would never chain my dog for the simple fact of being terriefied he would get off. I don't have proper chaining equiptment ect. My dog gets kenneled outside in a 8 X 10 run when we are not home for the most part. It has a top on it and a pad lock on the gate.

When you think about it there is really no difference between chaining (with proper equiptment) and kenneling (outside), just personal prefference. Or at least to me anyways. I can see people having a problem with dogs being chained 24/7/365 with little or no human interaction and not being let off. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you all do that, so please don't take offense.

I don't think it is proper for constant confinement in the house in a crate either (not saying that you chazzers do that).

Pretty much, if a dog is being fed, watered, cared for properly, has time with its owner and time to run around and play I don't see a problem with any of the options.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

 

[cheeky]

Texasbulldogs,

Just curious as to how you can compare the decision making process of a human to that of a dog? Kind of silly, IMO.

Also, for your information, I work with a organization now that is trying to outlaw tethering of all kinds. In my work I try to educate people that own chained dogs, as well as people that own kenneled dogs. The laws in place now are absurd, so no, I do not feel that if you do things according to the law that everything is just honkey dory.

And, if you read my post the first time you would have seen where it stated I do rescue. I have not purposely gone out and got DA dogs. They are not in my home for life, the ones that are there for life get along great. But that was due to the fact that I thought about the combination of dogs I was making a commitment to. Sure, an issue can arise where some dogs may not get along, but to purposely get 5 or 6 dogs and chain them, nope not me.
Rescuing is not an excuse at all. The only reason I say it is less than ideal is because I would prefer them to all get along and be together. But, since they are passing through, it is much better to allow them to be inside, where there is no threat of them being hurt by the neighborhood bully, poisoned by the neighbor, or frustrated because they see me in the house and are dying to be with me, where they belong.

I really could care less if you believe me or not. I have no need to post pedigree's on the net to prove a point. Believe me, I am not the one trying to look macho here.....your the one with the dogs on a chain, remember???

Do you know what will happen then? MORE STRAY DOGS!! If people are not allowed to tether their dogs they will just turn them lose, turn them into the ACO. Not to mention the dogs that can and will climb fences. What about them? Let them go because it is less cruel in your eyes? Not all dogs on chains are abused & need to be felt sorry for. A good deal of them, yes. All of them? No. Same can be said for crated dogs. is it ok for a dog to be crated all day, all night, only let out to pee? What are you proposing to do about that? It happens quite often. No one seems to worry enough about them to make new laws that will not be enforced.

 

[dr2little]

please dont yell at me.. there is no such thing as a bait dog.. the media and HSUS made that term up..the dogs that are taken in are the dogs that LOST the fight unfortunately, and were dumped.. go to www.pbrc.net and look up sad reality, there are pictures of dogs that were thrown on bbq grills by humans, and tortured other ways as well.. they know nothing about the breed.. my stance on dogfighting? i HATE it. i HATE the people who do it, i would love to take those people and hang them by their balls and slowly torture them.. i would go to prison for a long time with the cruelty and torture i would give them..

and, me personally, i do not agree on chaining a dog outside... its my personal opinion.. my 3 dogs are house dogs, they sleep on the couches and beds, and are pampered.. none of them live outside on a chain, or stay outside for any periods of time. they are kept in the house when i am at work,and when i come home they are with me.

i am not preaching to the choir..so what if i do pit rescue? i also do husky and rott rescue as well.. if you look on my site i have 2 huskys for adoption..

You totally missed my point. Call it whatever you want to, dogs are primed using muzzled dogs in dog fighting all the time. The reason that I refer to my involvement in pit rescue was not to say "aren't I wonderful" but rather to show that I'm not someone with a basisless "opinion".
Our rescue handles pits from all over Canada and often from the States as well and I can tell you from EXPERIENCE....BAIT DOGS ARE A HORRIBLE REALITY!!!

 

[dr2little]

unfortunately, the punks and wanna be's will believe the story about using bait animals.. its very sad..

Are you referring to me?

 

[cheeky]

Are you referring to me?

I am pretty sure she was referring to punks & wanna be dog fighters.

 

[dr2little]

I am pretty sure she was referring to punks & wanna be dog fighters.

Good, I was just about to go off in the wrong direction...thanks!

 

[stevinski]

how can u say bait dogs arent real????? naive much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait_(dogs)

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060223/dog.shtml

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/02/0218_040218_dogfighting.html

In order to foster the viciousness of dogs, trainers bait them with puppies, cats, and other small animals. "Bait dogs include small Labrador retrievers, German shepherds or mixed breeds and are often cut or stabbed and tossed in with the larger fighting dogs."(8) These dogs, having been beaten and deprived, maul the small animals to death.
http://www.idausa.org/facts/fighting.html

want more EVIDENCE,

its not hard to find

 

[J's crew]

Do you know what will happen then? MORE STRAY DOGS!! If people are not allowed to tether their dogs they will just turn them lose, turn them into the ACO. Not to mention the dogs that can and will climb fences. What about them? Let them go because it is less cruel in your eyes? Not all dogs on chains are abused & need to be felt sorry for. A good deal of them, yes. All of them? No. Same can be said for crated dogs. is it ok for a dog to be crated all day, all night, only let out to pee? What are you proposing to do about that? It happens quite often. No one seems to worry enough about them to make new laws that will not be enforced.

Or maybe, those people will find other ways to contain them??? Ya think?

If you have a dog that is able to climb a fence there are ways to prevent that also. I can't remember who, but there is a post a couple pages back. That person has a very large kennel with electrical wire running across the top.

I do not believe in crating all the time either.........come on now though.......it seems that some are acting like it is impossible to have a DA dog and not chain them. It is very easy, I swear. Just takes a little more work, and maybe a little more thought.

 

[cheeky]

Or maybe, those people will find other ways to contain them??? Ya think?

If you have a dog that is able to climb a fence there are ways to prevent that also. I can't remember who, but there is a post a couple pages back. That person has a very large kennel with electrical wire running across the top.

I do not believe in crating all the time either.........come on now though.......it seems that some are acting like it is impossible to have a DA dog and not chain them. It is very easy, I swear. Just takes a little more work, and maybe a little more thought.

I have threee dogs, two are pit bulls, one is VERY DA. My dogs live in my house, they are seperated 24/7. I do not tether or crate my dogs but I do see where people need to do so. As long as there is no abuse or neglect involved what's the big deal? WHY does everyone think that what everyone else does is their business?

And hot wiring a fence is ok but chaining is not? These are pit bulls. Not all of them are going to be detered by an electrified fence. I know my male would not be.

 

[cheeky]

how can u say bait dogs arent real????? naive much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait_(dogs)

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060223/dog.shtml

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/02/0218_040218_dogfighting.html

In order to foster the viciousness of dogs, trainers bait them with puppies, cats, and other small animals. "Bait dogs include small Labrador retrievers, German shepherds or mixed breeds and are often cut or stabbed and tossed in with the larger fighting dogs."(8) These dogs, having been beaten and deprived, maul the small animals to death.
http://www.idausa.org/facts/fighting.html

want more EVIDENCE,

its not hard to find

I have been in the breed for 48 years and my dad before me. The term bait dog is a made up term, coined by the HSUS for the soul purpose of scaring the public into hating these dogs even more than they already do. It's only purpose is to "teach" thugs how to abuse dogs. Before then, no one had ever heard of the term.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

I have threee dogs, two are pit bulls, one is VERY DA. My dogs live in my house, they are seperated 24/7. I do not tether or crate my dogs but I do see where people need to do so. As long as there is no abuse or neglect involved what's the big deal? WHY does everyone think that what everyone else does is their business?

And hot wiring a fence is ok but chaining is not? These are pit bulls. Not all of them are going to be detered by an electrified fence. I know my male would not be.

I agree that a lot of pit bulls would not be detered. Magnus wouldn't be. He barked a lot when we first got him and my husband decided to buy a shock collar for him....guess what. It didn't work in the least.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Correct me if I am wrong. The dog fighting that people are defending are the historic dog fighting and how without it we wouldn't have what pit bulls are today?

 

[cheeky]

Yes, I believe that is correct. I am not defending it, it did provide me with a WONDERFUL breed unlike any other but as far as the practice itself, I am not defending it.

 

[GHOST]

Correct me if I am wrong. The dog fighting that people are defending are the historic dog fighting and how without it we wouldn't have what pit bulls are today?

yes ma am,,,,it is,,,dog fighting is illegal in the states,,, so it has to be history,,,
just polking at ya alittle,,,,, it okay to respect the dogs of yesteryear and to know the truth behind the pitbull,,,, alot of the pit dogs in the old days was house dogs,,,that real sounds vicious does't it,,, lol,,, ppl make alot of assumptions without the truth these days,,,, i recently rescued a beatiful pitbull from a family that couldn't afford to feed it,,,,i didn't call animal control,, i went and talked to the guy and found out his situation,,he said i could have it,,,if i would have called AC he would have been fined and the dog dead,,, but now the dog went to a very nice home and is well taken care of,,,i'll try to put a before pic and after ,,, i only had him a month ,,
BEFORE

AFTER 27 DAYS

 

[elegy]

how can u say bait dogs arent real????? naive much?

bait dogs have become real since they were invented by the HSUS. "real" dog fighters did not use them. they didn't need to make their dogs more aggressive. fighting is bred into them. a pit bull who doesn't want to fight when put in a pit was not a dog an old time fighter was going to waste time and effort on.

attacking a helpless animal is not going to "teach" a dog to fight. there is no challenge in it. there is no test of the fighting dog's bravery or skill.

 

[jess2416]

We had a thread about perserving different breeds temperents awhile back..
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5916

Why should the APBT be any different

 

[J's crew]

I am afraid that alot of you will change your tune when you go home one day to find your dog dead. I've seen it with my own eyes before. Because regardless of what you think, your dog is at the mercy of whoever, or whatever passes by. Which can be true if they are in a fence but being on a chain is like being a sitting duck, exposed to all.

So to those that feed their dogs, give them attention and love, etc.. Good for you, you are doing what you should. However, a ABPT on a chain is a target. Do you really thing Joe Shmoe walking down the street or driving by knows that your dogs are there just because they are DA? Or do you think he figures it is because the are vicious period? Once again I will ask, what does this impression do for you in your fight against BSL?

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

bait dogs have become real since they were invented by the HSUS. "real" dog fighters did not use them. they didn't need to make their dogs more aggressive. fighting is bred into them. a pit bull who doesn't want to fight when put in a pit was not a dog an old time fighter was going to waste time and effort on.

attacking a helpless animal is not going to "teach" a dog to fight. there is no challenge in it. there is no test of the fighting dog's bravery or skill.

Well put!