Some Pit Education

[Texasbulldogs]

Savethebulliebreeds:

Woah! I am a little confused at that whole post.
What’s there to be confused over?

I would like to say I find nothing wrong with flyball, conformation, weight pulling etc.
Might not be anything “wrong” with the actual events themselves. The trouble comes from greed and mans competitive nature. Instead of doing those sports for joy, something to do with their dog during the off season, exercise, etc many go to extremes and start breeding specifically for said events which is totally opposite of what said breed was designed for. Look at the various dogs and mutts being breed these days specifically for fly-ball, look at the harmful breeding practices that have resulted from individuals breeding simply for conformation without any regard to working traits, and look at the mutts being registered and passed off as APBT’s that was breed purely for weight pulling and not the breed’s actual standard. Do you feel those events actually offer a breed anything positive overall? Surely you don’t think an AKC Champion of Champion (whatever they call it) can work a field all day tracking game bird and retrieving them, or work in nearly frozen water retrieving fallen duck and/or geese for it owner? You think an AKC registered Cocker Spaniel show champion still has the nose, mettle, and coat to work the fields like they was originally breed to do? You believe any dogs being bred solely for their fly-ball abilities are actually conforming to their breed standard or the actual event? Are the vast majority of weight pulling APBT’s breed to standard or for the event of weight pulling? Please inform me how nothing is wrong about those events that ultimately affect a breed negatively more than any BYB will/would ever?

I would also like to say that the people here take care of what is in their home and everything else comes second. Educating and discussing our beliefs (and many of our beliefs differ here) comes second.
That’s pure speculation on your part! If that was true the vast majority wouldn’t be on here during working hours, instead would be doing their job. At night the vast majority wouldn’t be on either being odds are they have over-weight and out of shape dog/s-both dog and owner could use the exercise. Yet the majority of boards are active the overwhelming majority of any given day. Educating via text only goes so far and if a person never owns a true representative of a breed…can they really “educate” anyone on it, or are they simply just parroting what they’ve heard or read elsewhere never truly knowing if what they’re saying it true or not? I’ve talked to countless individuals about nutrition and the vast majority can’t state why they feed or recommend “X” kibble yet will readily offer advice on nutrition or kibble recommendations. Are they somehow “educating” other despite being clueless themselves?

I do worry what other people do with their dogs, after I take care of mine.
Why…what concern is it of you what “X” person does with their own dogs? If they leave them in the house 24/7 and provide no stimuli, leaves them in a kennel their entire lives with little training or companionship, and feeds Dollar Store brand dog food…how does it concern you or anyone else? After all “cruelty” is nothing but a matter of ones perspective is it not? I think it's cruel to have a dog solely as a pet, to have them over weight, etc should I concern myself with the majority of dog owners and their lack of education and knowledge in husbandry?

I do however agree with you that some people who own pits use the dog aggression excuse. Like I said before...it may have been bred into them but it can be trained out!
If talking about training out the dog aggression…impossible without ruining the dog and it’s spirit! If talking about obedience issues or controllability in a crowd or around other dogs while on a leash then yes.

Gamedogs:

Actually, when the picture in question was taken, she had been on Wild and Natural for about 3 months, there are only 2 out of 5 pictures posted of her on this site when she was on Canidae.
Okay too much switching of kibbles for my dilapidated brain to keep up with.

I'm sure every dog you feed doesn't get fed Canidae because each dog is different, and if all of them do, then you must have it being made especially for you, because I had a completely different experience with it.
Yes every dog I’ve feed for the last decade or around about have been feed and done well on Canidae. The only exception was for about six month at the beginning of this year when they went through an unannounced ingredient change (guessing) or something and the quality dropped and I switched. Other than that they’ve all done well on it and never seen one in person that hasn’t. Have had numerous dogs come and go of various ages and they’ve all adjusted well to it, after going through the standard detoxify period of their systems adjust to proper nutrition and ridding the body of the poisons fed before. Out of the dozen or so yards I visit frequently that feed it (about 120-160 dogs total) I’ve seen only one that didn’t do well on it and believe it wasn’t the kibble but the age of the bitch (14) and her state of health-she was taken off it and remained on Pro Plan.

Silverpawz:

Are you kidding? So you prefer dog fighting to conformation shows, agility and other legitimate dog sports?
A discussion/debate gets nowhere if questions are answered with questions instead of replies! But I’d love for you to point out where I stated or even alluded to preferring either over the other.

You don't find anything cruel about tossing two aggressive dogs together and watching them mangle one another?
Well other than the make believe internet world, fabrications of Humane Groups, and extremist I’ve never once heard or even seen in all the propaganda motivated video’s circulated on the internet two fighting dogs being “tossed” together. If I’m not mistaken that would be considered a foul and end of such event? Please inform me of my errors though…odds are you’ve never seen such either just a figment of your out of control imagination! Just imagine if the UFC and/or other mixed martial arts competitions were not nationally televised how the same type of extremist could paint a polar opposite mental picture of what actually happens and occurs in said competition for those uneducated individuals willing to believe any unknown strangers description of it?

Please, do tell, what harmful effects has flyball, agility and other dog sports caused? Enlighten us. Because last I herd dogs wern't being ripped apart by eachother on the agility field...
Refer to above in my reply to Savethebulliebreeds! You truly need to regain control of your imagination or start showing some factual documentation to all these claims you have. Please inform this board of any dog in the history of the canine that was “ripped apart” by another dog in a fight between it and another dog! The stories and fairy tails become more exotic, cruel, and imaginative as the days go on-some people really need to get a hobby or life! Can’t wait for next week they’ll be able to decollate a Cape buffalo with a single neck bite while wearing a steel muzzle and dragging 100,000lb chains that they broke. Oh what evil mutants they are!

 

[silverpawz]

Well other than the make believe internet world, fabrications of Humane Groups, and extremist I’ve never once heard or even seen in all the propaganda motivated video’s circulated on the internet two fighting dogs being “tossed” together.

So the owners don't intentionally put two dogs in the same pit for the purpose of fighting in a dog fight?

Just imagine if the UFC and/or other mixed martial arts competitions were not nationally televised how the same type of extremist could paint a polar opposite mental picture of what actually happens and occurs in said competition for those uneducated individuals willing to believe any unknown strangers description of it?

Please do not compare dog fighting to martial arts. The humans make a choice to go in the ring and spar. For the dogs that choice is made for them the minute somone sets up a fight and puts two dogs against each other. Of course instinct will take over at that point, but the choice to actually set up the fight and enter the 'ring' is not their own.

It is not the same thing and there is no basis for comparision.

Please inform this board of any dog in the history of the canine that was “ripped apart” by another dog in a fight between it and another dog!

Seriously, I think we all know that I was not saying dogs litterally rip each other's limbs off. Dog fighting does hwoever, cause serious injuries. Do you deny that? Can you honestly say that a dog is just as safe in a dog fight as they are in obedience ring?

You truly need to regain control of your imagination or start showing some factual documentation to all these claims you have.

Sigh, that darn imagination of mine always causing trouble...

If that was true the vast majority wouldn’t be on here during working hours, instead would be doing their job. At night the vast majority wouldn’t be on either being odds are they have over-weight and out of shape dog/s-both dog and owner could use the exercise. Yet the majority of boards are active the overwhelming majority of any given day.

Now who's speculating?

I feel like I'm just repeating myself here. I think it's obvious where I stand on the issue of dog fighting and chaining so I'm going to back out now. I'm not going to change my mind and I doubt our newest pit bull members are going to change theirs. I have no desire to go around in circles forever.

 

[Amstaffer]

I do worry what other people do with their dogs, after I take care of mine.
Why…what concern is it of you what “X” person does with their own dogs? If they leave them in the house 24/7 and provide no stimuli, leaves them in a kennel their entire lives with little training or companionship, and feeds Dollar Store brand dog food…how does it concern you or anyone else? After all “cruelty” is nothing but a matter of ones perspective is it not? I think it's cruel to have a dog solely as a pet, to have them over weight, etc should I concern myself with the majority of dog owners and their lack of education and knowledge in husbandry? !

You show your true colors here in this post: Abuse and Cruelty is not perspective. We as a society do have standards for them. Your "own" dog, you look at your dog as property not a family member and not a loved one when you speak like that!

Contrary to the PC world we can make judgements and as a society to let you know when you are abusing an animal. If you are neglecting or cause physical/mental harm....you are abusing!

 

[Julie]

**the first dog that was pictured (Lil Bit) happened to be a house dog, along with Rufus (the brindle dog). They live in separate rooms. The other 6 live outside.

Julie,
For your information she does live in the house and not on "that chain". She once in a while gets to go outside with the other dogs. She is the baby. She gets no more exercise than the others if she even gets as much as the others. It might be best if you kept your thoughts to yourself because the are made without any knowledge of Lil Bit. Since you don't know her or her owner you shouldn't make comments that insinuate that someone is a liar.

Excuse Me, This is a public forum.......That is my opinion. Take it as you wish. I don't have to keep my thoughts to myself, just like anyone else on here. I don't know why you singled my posts out, because there are many more just like it on this thread. I don't know why you pm'd me and posted the exact same thing in a public post. I have also avoided this thread for the last two days because I get a really bad feeling from it.

Okay.......Well I guess Lil Bit and Rufus get to live in seperate rooms.
What about the other 6.

I am really done.

 

[MomOf7]

OFA: Is that nothing more than a useless test that does nothing but waste time and money all the while offering peddlers…excuse me, breeders of a breed another sales ploy they can use to as a marketing gimmick? After all before dogs were kept solely as pets and breed away from working standards were there problems with hip dysplasia? Don’t think so! Has decades of testing and screening removed it from any breed of canine? Again, NO! Amazing how numerous studies have shown it not to be necessarily a genetic problem as once thought but in fact more of improper nutrition. That is brought on by extremely fast growth rates, over feeding, lack of exercise, etc. Could that be the reason over the last 5 years dog food manufacturers have changed their nutrient profiles on their puppy formulas?

What tests do you believe help weed out hereditary problems many breeders face?

 

[J's crew]

As a person extremely concerned about BSL I do everything to promote my Rottweilers in a good light. Question for those who do chain their dogs.......do you really thing that is portraying them in a positive light?

 

[Miakoda]

As a person extremely concerned about BSL I do everything to promote my Rottweilers in a good light. Question for those who do chain their dogs.......do you really thing that is portraying them in a positive light?

So should we let them run loose? Should we take them to dog parks where they migh (& probably will) start a fight & end up severely injuring another dog if not killing it? Would that help? Or should we keep them locked in kennels for 12 hours during the day, take them out for 2-3 hourse while we are busying & have no time to devote to them anyways, & then lock them back up for nighttim sleep? At lease this way they will be a) with their humans & b) in the house. However, I fail to see how a dog living in a crate big enough for it to stand up & turn around in is living. These are not goldfish.

As for dog aggression, it canNOT be "trained" out of a dog. Yes, one can train their dog to walk correctly on a leash & not go lunging after after dog it sees. However, to say one can train this trait of the bulldog breeds is ignorant. It's like saying that I want a herding dog, but I'm going to train the herding instinct out of it because I don't like dogs that herd. Or that I'm going to get me a Labrado Retreiver or Chesepeake Retriever & train the retrieving trait out of it b/c I don't like dogs who want to retrieve stuff. Now does this actually sound logical to you?

I'm done with this thread. This has turned form possibly being an educational thread into an accusatory pissing match.

I can only hope that those who've stated they want a "pit bull", but yet despise dog aggression, stay away from all bulldog & terrier breeds. We don't need to read another headline & story where the owner states "But they've never acted like/done that before."

If one cannot love a breed for ALL it's traits, then one cannot fully love. To want to change something is not love, but is hate for if one fully loved it, one would not want to change it in any possible way.

My pm box will remain open to anyone who seriously wants to learn more about the "pit bull" breeds & I will answer questions to the best that I can. But I will no longer remain active in a thread where true APBT owners are not wanted b/c we interfere with they daydream some people want to live their entire lives in. Have a good day.

 

[J's crew]

So should we let them run loose? Should we take them to dog parks where they migh (& probably will) start a fight & end up severely injuring another dog if not killing it? Would that help? Or should we keep them locked in kennels for 12 hours during the day, take them out for 2-3 hourse while we are busying & have no time to devote to them anyways, & then lock them back up for nighttim sleep? At lease this way they will be a) with their humans & b) in the house. However, I fail to see how a dog living in a crate big enough for it to stand up & turn around in is living. These are not goldfish.

No, you shouldn't. Like I have stated before I have had and still do have dogs that will kill each other if given the chance. I have two bitches right now that I cannot even let see each other. I make it work. It's really not a big deal. They all get love and attention, and they are properly contained. Of course it is not the best situation, but in my case I rescue and foster dogs. I figure as long as they are getting vet care, good food and love and attention, it is better than the alternative.

And your right. They are not goldfish. They are living, breathing, loving creatures that do not deserve to have a big chain on them because someone cannot properly manage them.

Oh, BTW, I have owned ABPT's in the past. I never had to chain them.

 

[Zoom]

Dragging the focus away from the chaining argument for a moment...I propose a slight topic shift, because a few comments have drawn my (possibly morbid) interest. A warning to ANY AND ALL Chazzers, new or old, to keep this next part CIVIL.

Dogfighting. While here on Chaz it's one of those "dirty words" that conjure up images of ripped apart dogs, Animal Precinct and all that propoganda from over the years, it seems that game-dogs has a slightly different view on it. I, for one, am interesting in hearing more about that view and how the reality differs. The comparison was drawn between a dog fight and UFC, let's start from there.

 

[2nd2none]

Oh, BTW, I have owned ABPT's in the past. I never had to chain them.

well, that's good that you must have the means then to contain them otherwise. If, however you have more dogs as opposed to more rooms in your house, and imo, chaining is far less restrictive in terms of area and space to "move", then what is it that you propose people to do here? Let them all roam around together in your home anyway, because it "appears" to be more humane????? Or, should we limit our numbers, then, so they can live inside, as opposed to outside simply to make someone else happy?
Again, and I (we) can NOT stress this enough. This breed WILL fight with one another if left on their own devices. As todays' owners, we did not instill this into them. A hundred years of history has already done that. We know this. We accept this, again, as part of the "terms" of both having and raising this breed. It is FAR more irresponsible to NOT contain this breed. FAR more!!!
There really is no need nor any benefit to go around and around on this issue of containment/chaining. I thought the answers given were sufficient and well explained, but as is human nature, yes, EVERY one will have an answer, an explanatation or, what they feel is a "better reason" on why something should or shouldn't be done, yes, based on personal opinion. All's I can say is, unless or until you own, have experience with or choose to want to learn and research this breed, the information you will hear and read about will only ever be second hand, based on someone else's opinion, and most likely swayed by media hype. It goes with out saying that in todays' times, due to the fact that the "pit bull" is so popular, and SO many are owned, registered and bred, that they will "frequent" the news moreso than most breeds. You will ALWAYS hear and read about more "pit bull" attacks, than any other breed.The media thrives on this. Which is why, we, as owners have to be FAR more diligent with our responsiblilties=yes, containment, is one aspect. Think of it in terms of something else, to help put it in proper perspective: if there were suddenly lots more people buying more Fords, I imagine the stories regarding Fords would surpass the stories regarding Chevys. Simple analogy, but hopefully, you get the idea...
There is a "pit bull" problem today, because of irresponsible owners, NOT because of the dogs. Certain "owners" who also think that containing their dogs is cruel and choose to allow them to roam are the problem. EVERY single "attack", mauling, etc, has a ripple effect and EVERY irresponsible owner effects EVERY owner. There is NO exception to this. NONE! As owners of this breed, we ALL affect each other. For every action, there's a reaction... We all pay, in the long run...
I'm not sure how much I can reemphasize the importance of being responsible, especially in regards to this breed. I just know, I studied, I bought books, I went to shows and I found a "mentor" who has been a great friend and a wonderful, patient teacher to me, in regards to every aspect of this breed. I learned. I became responsible, perhaps to the dismay of other dog breed owners.
They are NOT a breed for the "couch potato", the beginner or an owner that wants a houseful of dogs to happily cohabitate together. That won't happen. It's rare when it does. If we choose to have both inside and outside dogs, it's the quality and the quanity of care that matters. Humans have domesticated the canine. They have lived happily for many, many years as "outside" animals. Suddenly we have personified, humanized and hypothesised that we ALL know best.
Walk in another mans' shoes, BEFORE you cast judgement. A man can love his dogs outside on a chain, just as much as you can love yours, sitting beside you on your couch.

 

[MissBelle]

Like I said before...it may have been bred into them but it can be trained out!

You are SOOOOOO wrong with that statement. Now, while many bulldogs do not display any dog aggressive signs, that does NOT mean that they dont lay below the surface. What i mean is your dog may never show any signs, but if provoked your dog will most likely finish it. Which is why i ALWAYS go by "NEVER trust a Pit Bull not to fight".


Its in their blood, its what they love to do whether you like it or not. If you have a dog that "turns on", i dont care how many Cesar Milans you have, that dog will stay that way.

Now dont misconstrew my words, i am NOT saying that all APBT's are. I am saying that you should always be prepared for the worst, and dont give your dogs the opportunity to get into a scrap. This means STAY OUT OF DOG PARKS (you wouldnt take a hunting dog to a bunny farm would you?), ALWAYS keep your dog on a leash, and keep your dog properly contained. I always take a step back and look at my kennel/chain set-ups, and think... is there ANY way to get out? If so, even if i think the dog would never try it, i fix it.

I have had escape artist dogs, and i learned the hard way better safe than sorry.

If you cannot accept the past, MOVE ON TO ANOTHER BREED.

 

[GHOST]

Dragging the focus away from the chaining argument for a moment...I propose a slight topic shift, because a few comments have drawn my (possibly morbid) interest. A warning to ANY AND ALL Chazzers, new or old, to keep this next part CIVIL.

Dogfighting. While here on Chaz it's one of those "dirty words" that conjure up images of ripped apart dogs, Animal Precinct and all that propoganda from over the years, it seems that game-dogs has a slightly different view on it. I, for one, am interesting in hearing more about that view and how the reality differs. The comparison was drawn between a dog fight and UFC, let's start from there.

i've tryed to stay out of this conversation but it just a never ending circle,,,
dogfighting may be a dirty word on here but ,,,, where would the apbt be without it,,,, thats what they were breed for and is what has given us one of the most loyal and loving dogs of today,,,no it's not politically correct but its no different than any other law breaking offence,,, one of the biggest problems of today is ppl sticking there nose where it really has no business,,:yikes: opcorn:

i not meaning to offend anyone but when you take someone else dog and run them into the ground just cuz u can,,,, these types of things happen

 

[GHOST]

now for as the chaining aspect,,,, with all the bsl going on today and whatnot,,, why in the world would you not chain one to avoid incident,,,
thats all we need is another incident in the papers or TV,,, i'd rather be overprotective than irresponsible,,where would you really want to sit?

life is what it is,, it's not always a bed of roses but it does have it's peaks and valley's,,don't get me wrong,,, i'm not a chain fan,,, but i do believe in secure kennels,,, mine has electric on top and bottom,,,25x25 foot pens

 

[GHOST]

You are SOOOOOO wrong with that statement. Now, while many bulldogs do not display any dog aggressive signs, that does NOT mean that they dont lay below the surface. What i mean is your dog may never show any signs, but if provoked your dog will most likely finish it. Which is why i ALWAYS go by "NEVER trust a Pit Bull not to fight".


Its in their blood, its what they love to do whether you like it or not. If you have a dog that "turns on", i dont care how many Cesar Milans you have, that dog will stay that way.

Now dont misconstrew my words, i am NOT saying that all APBT's are. I am saying that you should always be prepared for the worst, and dont give your dogs the opportunity to get into a scrap. This means STAY OUT OF DOG PARKS (you wouldnt take a hunting dog to a bunny farm would you?), ALWAYS keep your dog on a leash, and keep your dog properly contained. I always take a step back and look at my kennel/chain set-ups, and think... is there ANY way to get out? If so, even if i think the dog would never try it, i fix it.

I have had escape artist dogs, and i learned the hard way better safe than sorry.

If you cannot accept the past, MOVE ON TO ANOTHER BREED.

it can't be trained out but over the years of breeding and socailization it's gameness will fad away from the dogs lines without utilizing it,,,over a couple generations it will lose it,,through socialization

 

[dr2little]

i've tryed to stay out of this conversation but it just a never ending circle,,,
dogfighting may be a dirty word on here but ,,,, where would the apbt be without it CERTAINLY NOT WHERE IT IS NOW - AT RISK OF MASS DISTRUCTION OR BSL. DOG FIGHTING IS VILE AND DISGUSTING, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT. HOW DARE WE HUMANS PUT ANY CREATURE IN THIS SITUATION. WE ALL NEED TO TRY TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AGAIN, WHEATHER BY BREEDING AGGRESSION BACK OUT OR HUMANE AND SAFE CARE OF THE ONES THAT ARE HERE (NOT BY THEIR CHOICE),,,, thats what they were breed for and is what has given us one of the most loyal and loving dogs of today,,,no it's not politically correct but its no different than any other law breaking offence,,, one of the biggest problems of today is ppl sticking there nose where it really has no business,,:yikes: opcorn:

i not meaning to offend anyone but when you take someone else dog and run them into the ground just cuz u can,,,, these types of things happen
I have held a bait dog while she drew her last breath due to the horrors she was subjected to by the humans who were supposed to care for her. She did not die from her physical injuries, she was so damaged psychologically that rehab, though attempted could not be done.

 

[Maryellen]

i am sorry, but there is no such thing as a bait dog. the media and HSUS made that word up.. dogs either fight and live, or fight and die..

now i own a pitbull mix, and he lives with 2 other dogs, and various foster pups when i have them .. he looks like a pitbull, acts like one, and i treat him like a pitbull. i never leave him alone with my other 2 dogs, and he is properly supervised when with my other 2 dogs.. i have had him from 2 months old, he is now 4 years old. i follow the responsible pitbull ownership rules, and am a responsible owner. Rufus attended a year and a half of dog obedience classes from the time he was 2 months old, 3 times a week for that time every week.. i then got him his CGC title (before i was an evaluator) and then his therapy dog title, and then his www.atts.org title.. while he is a mix, i still am careful as he does have some pitbull heritage in him... here are some pics of him doing therapy work:

 

[Maryellen]

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[Maryellen]

 

[MissBelle]

Yes IMHO it think chaining a dog (especially a Bully Breed) outside for any longer than a few minutes is immoral, dangerous, irresponsible and cruel.

Why?

Immoral....because that dog (especially Bullys) love and demand human interaction and to deny them that is a form a mental torture.

Dangerous...People steal chained dogs all the time
Dangerous...Frustrated dogs who watch the world go by often become aggressive and develop mental health issues

Irresponsible...When someone buys a dog the make a social contract with that dog which requires much more from the owner than food and water.

Cruel...Neglect is more cruel than just shooting them in the head.

Oh, where do i start with this post.....

For 1 people steal dogs out of backyards, frontyards, kennels.... DOESNT matter, if they want your dog, they will take it.
I have had TWO dogs stolen out of my kennels. They walked right around the dogs that were on chains, and broke into my kennels.

2. ANY dog can get frustrated. Do you think leaving a dog in a kennel or in a crate all the time os ok? NO! Keeping dogs on a good proper chain set up is best. More room, and they are more active and happy that way. No dog should be left in any kind of set up for long periods of time w/out coming off/out. I rotate my dogs, they come inside, go in a kennel, and are put on the chain. Honest to god my dogs are happiest on the chain (well of course except for when they are with me). You have been believing the idiots on unchainyourdog.com

3. Once again irresponsibility and "cruelty" can happen ANYWHERE. Open your mind and please think. Since i am sure you have seen Animal Planets shows, how many countless abused dogs have you seen that are just in backyards, or kept in cages inside?? WAY more than dogs on chains. Please dont be ignorant.

When you come home to one of your dogs dead or dying from your ignorance, dont come crying to me.

 

[dr2little]

i am sorry, but there is no such thing as a bait dog. the media and HSUS made that word up.. dogs either fight and live, or fight and die..

now i own a pitbull mix, and he lives with 2 other dogs, and various foster pups when i have them .. he looks like a pitbull, acts like one, and i treat him like a pitbull. i never leave him alone with my other 2 dogs, and he is properly supervised when with my other 2 dogs.. i have had him from 2 months old, he is now 4 years old. i follow the responsible pitbull ownership rules, and am a responsible owner. Rufus attended a year and a half of dog obedience classes from the time he was 2 months old, 3 times a week for that time every week.. i then got him his CGC title (before i was an evaluator) and then his therapy dog title, and then his www.atts.org title.. while he is a mix, i still am careful as he does have some pitbull heritage in him... here are some pics of him doing therapy work:

There's no such thing as a bait dog??????? Pitbull rescue is what I do, so I'm affraid that you're PREACHING to the chior! What exactly is YOUR stand on pit fighting?

Also, I am the last one to have to be told about the wonderful temperments of these dogs.