Silverpawz:
So the owners don't intentionally put two dogs in the same pit for the purpose of fighting in a dog fight?
Here we go again…do you actually ever answer any questions or just pose them and continuously reword them to suit your needs all the while avoiding answering an asked? Surely you’re well aware of how a conversation works whether it’s via speech or text. Hard to have a discussion when all you do is make outlandish and/or blanketed statements, never answer a single question so that I and others can understand your stance and reason for such. Seems all you do it make up things, go to extremes with your views, avoid answering questions, and/or blatantly skip over them. I’ll still answer yours though. Never once said they didn’t, did I nor did you in your initial post? Only after being asked to back up your outlandish claims did you go back and pose this question. I’m still waiting for you to show me two dogs being “tossed” like you first stated!
Please do not compare dog fighting to martial arts. The humans make a choice to go in the ring and spar. For the dogs that choice is made for them the minute somone sets up a fight and puts two dogs against each other. Of course instinct will take over at that point, but the choice to actually set up the fight and enter the 'ring' is not their own.
Dogs make the choice…hence the reason they have to be kept apart. If you don’t think so “toss” a couple of Poodles, Boxer’s, Doberman’s, Bouvier’s, Schnauzer’s, etc together and see if they instantly start fighting and then continue to do so after the initial confrontation. If wanting to split hairs or possibly go to extremes all the while staying truthful. Can you or anyone else state that any dog has/had a choice in what they’ve been breed for, excelled at, participate in, looked like, get feed, etc since their domestication by man? As for "who" sets up such fights being a fighter's manger typically sets theirs up does that equate to a fighter not having any "choice" too?
It is not the same thing and there is no basis for comparision.
How is it not the same thing? Do both events not take a special person/canine with the correct intestinal fortitude, desire, skill, and mettle to do and excel as such events? Are both not physical events? Do both not have rules designed to protect the participants? Can both corners not throw in a towel stopping the event? Are both not afforded medical care afterwards if need be? Do both not have weight classes? Do both not have referees, time keepers, etc?
Seriously, I think we all know that I was not saying dogs litterally rip each other's limbs off.
Based on your previous falsehood claims and out of control imagination, not so sure anyone knew what you were meaning? Heck, based on your inability to answer any questions-not even sure you know what you’re attempting to state!
Dog fighting does hwoever, cause serious injuries. Do you deny that?
No…can the same not be said for every physical activity humans breed dogs to do, and have them partake in?
Can you honestly say that a dog is just as safe in a dog fight as they are in obedience ring?
You’re attempting to compare polar opposite things and it’s cockamamie to do or attempt such. It would be like us trying to compare boxing to knitting and claiming how cruel boxing is because it’s not as safe as knitting. Hello…one is a physical sport and the other isn’t! Much like not a reasonable person in this world could state agility is as “safe” as an obedience competition.
Now who's speculating?
Ummm…that would still be you!
I feel like I'm just repeating myself here. I think it's obvious where I stand on the issue of dog fighting and chaining so I'm going to back out now.
You are simply repeating yourself all the while not ever once stating anything of benefit to any member of this board! I’m glad you’re aware of your own stance on the issues of dog fighting and chaining. Yet it all based on what…not factual information, studies, etc solely falsehood and assumptions. I gave my stance on chaining and even gave information for members to view an actual study on the difference between kenneling and chaining if they desired. You’ve simply gave a useless opinion based on nothing but your perception of how you think it is.
Amstaffer:
Abuse and Cruelty is not perspective.
It’s not? Then explain why there is such huge gap between what is deemed acceptable in one area and not in another if not being ones perspective?
We as a society do have standards for them.
Yes and they are ever changing to better suit our needs at the time.
Your "own" dog, you look at your dog as property not a family member and not a loved one when you speak like that!
Oh brother! Name one person that a family member has been taken to a hospital and instructed them to kill/put to sleep their family member, be it for suffering or inability to afford treatment? Yet we all are aware of numerous dogs that, that has been done to.
Contrary to the PC world we can make judgements and as a society to let you know when you are abusing an animal. If you are neglecting or cause physical/mental harm....you are abusing!
In theory that sounds oh so good. But the reality is we all know of over weight pets many of them morbidly obese, those that receive minimal exercise if any at all, live a pathetic life behind four walls in a house, feed improper and cheap food, treated like a human child instead of a dog, mentally not stimulated, etc all of which is cruel and inhumane-amazing how those same people aren’t prosecuted. That because we make allowances for them, the majority of pet owners could be deemed cruel and abusive (physically and/or mentally) to their loving pets and have charges brought against them if there wasn’t allowances!
MomOf7:
What tests do you believe help weed out hereditary problems many breeders face?
Man made test…none.
J’s crew:
Question for those who do chain their dogs.......do you really thing that is portraying them in a positive light?
What I find odd about all the members against chaining a dog…their views is based on nothing but their “feelings”, not any studies or even actual experience. Maybe I should kennel them according to the law…that make y’all happy? In case you’re unaware of the size requirements…
According to the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, USDA (1-01-06 edition)
3.14 (c) Additional requirements for dogs- (1) Space (i) each dog housed in a primary enclosure (including weaned puppies) must be provided a minimum amount of floor space, calculated as follows” Find the mathematical square of the sum of the length of the dog in inches (measure from the tip of its nose to the base of its tail) plus 6 inches.; then divide the product by 144. Basically (length of dog in inches + 6)2/144 Example: I measured my neighbor’s 90lb dog, it was 42 inches long. Now we add 6 inches to the 42 and come up with 48 inches multiply that into it self and have 2304, divide it by 144 and come up with 16 square feet (4X4 kennel). Oh what a lucky 90lb dog that would be to live in a 4X4 kennel and be within the law of humane. But if an owner is lazy, yet a law abiding citizen they can legally leave their dog in that kennel 24/7/365 simply by doubling the square footage (not required to exercise them if doubling the square footage), if not then they’re required to allow it to roam freely for 10 minutes a dog…oh yea, that’s exercising a dog.
Like I have stated before I have had and still do have dogs that will kill each other if given the chance. I have two bitches right now that I cannot even let see each other. I make it work. It's really not a big deal. They all get love and attention, and they are properly contained. Of course it is not the best situation, but in my case I rescue and foster dogs. I figure as long as they are getting vet care, good food and love and attention, it is better than the alternative.
Oh how logical you are…you self admit your way, “is not the best situation” yet propose others do it to please you. Suppose regaining control over your two herding dogs is too much work, saving the chained dogs it a much better cause? You claim it works though and you, “figure as long as they are getting vet care, good food, and love, and attention” it fine and dandy for everyone to do it. But for some ungodly reason you’re under the impression if a dog is properly contained on a chain set-up they can’t receive what you claim yours above get? Never knew a dog kenneled most of it life was better off and cared for by the mere act of being “inside a house” than a dog outside properly contained receiving the same love, medical care, and attention but also having stimuli, sunshine, and the ability to freely exercise. How sad that mentality of yours is! What is appalling is that you have less than ideal conditions yet feel the need to preach to others on how they should do something. How pathetic of you to use “rescuing and fostering” of dogs as an excuse in attempts to justify you conditions to us!
Oh, BTW, I have owned ABPT's in the past. I never had to chain them.
I don’t believe you and to prove my point please post a pedigree of those APBT’s you’ve owned in the past.
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