New docking laws

[Dobiegurl]

brock, I don't know about other breeds.... that may be well and true. I simply don't know....(so, no I am not bashing you).

My question was about boxers, and I know we have several "experts" on boxers here....

As for the post I posted above, that was telling someone that he/she is selfish for just doing "cosmetic" things on her dog. That is bad...in my opinion... she was defensive before anyone even "attacked" her, therefore, my thought, she knows in her heart that she is being selfish and unwilling to spare pain for her dogs..... It makes me sad.

Unwilling to spare my dog pain? If you read my previos post, I think I did spare my dog ALOT of pain because rather than having wires stuck up his a** he's with me in a loving home but then again I'm SO selfish.

I was defensive because this isn't the first post about my docking and cropping choice that someone tried to judge me. I was just trying to let it be known that it was my choice. You can judge me if you want, I could care less.

 

[amymarley]

I will appease you for one post!

First off...you never mentioned a "lab" in your posts, second, even "IF" you saved your dog from a lab, that does not mean that you have to crop/dock him/her.

Your posts above said EXACT. what you wanted to say.... You were not "rescuing dogs" to save them. YOU HAD THEM AND WERE DOING COSMETIC things done. Shame on you and your vet...because, as you stated above, YOU saved them, therefore, they were not even SHOW quality...just dobs....(and I did grow up with a doberman,,,,,i love them), you stated that you were doing it for you and costmetic reasons...that is gross to me. Again you do what you will, mutilate your dogs....it's your right....

I also think you are either lying about the "lab" or someone was telling you wrong and lied to you. Regardless, that does not mean you have to "alter" your dogs for your own well being. There is no excuse you can use, after you stated soooo much above.... Again, if you could have a one on one conversation with your dog (who you love sooooo much), do you really think, he/ she would want it...NOOOOOOOOO! But go ahead and dismantle your dogs... they will still love you anyways.

 

[bubbatd]

Whew !!! I'm glad I've owned Goldens !! Yes, over 50 yrs. ago we got a Boxer pup and his tail was docked... we did his ears... today I never would. He was a house pet.... his ears were done for our egos... not for him ! I'm glad I don't show today. Even cutting off the hair tips from a beautiful Golden's tail would hurt me !! I've never, ever, had a dog with an injured tail. ( sorry, except for one caught in a car dog ! healed fine !) Ears and tails are done to confirm to the show ring.... why it was started baffles me. But then, being into horses I say many horrific things done to horses to impress the judges too. I like natural .....human included..... medical issues aside.

 

[Dobiegurl]

I will appease you for one post!

First off...you never mentioned a "lab" in your posts, second, even "IF" you saved your dog from a lab, that does not mean that you have to crop/dock him/her.

Your posts above said EXACT. what you wanted to say.... You were not "rescuing dogs" to save them. YOU HAD THEM AND WERE DOING COSMETIC things done. Shame on you and your vet...because, as you stated above, YOU saved them, therefore, they were not even SHOW quality...just dobs....(and I did grow up with a doberman,,,,,i love them), you stated that you were doing it for you and costmetic reasons...that is gross to me. Again you do what you will, mutilate your dogs....it's your right....

I also think you are either lying about the "lab" or someone was telling you wrong and lied to you. Regardless, that does not mean you have to "alter" your dogs for your own well being. There is no excuse you can use, after you stated soooo much above.... Again, if you could have a one on one conversation with your dog (who you love sooooo much), do you really think, he/ she would want it...NOOOOOOOOO! But go ahead and dismantle your dogs... they will still love you anyways.

First of all, I never mentioned the lab because it was not necessary information for any other threads I have replied to and I don't have to prove it to you, believe what you want. Second of all I don't care if a dog is show or work quality, I should be able to crop and dock my dog just like the "show people" and the "working people" but they don't get crap about it. I did what I did and I will crop and dock (if not already done) all my dobies I get in the future. But because I am set in my "selfish" ways I will rescue more Dobies and save them from being euthonized. There are people out there burning their dogs alive, burying them alive, pouring acid all over them, beating them and showing not an ounce of love towards their dogs and your wasting your time on this. Go save the rainforest or join the peace corps and leave people like me alone. Go fight important causes. I'm sure there are people out there who cut their own dogs ears with no anesthesia with rusty scissors. Can you imagine what those people do to their fighting pitts? I can!! oh, one thing is tieing duct tape around a bait dog and let the puppies knaw on him, but of course cropping and docking is the real issue to fight. There is so much abuse in this world, open your eyes and you will see cropping and docking should not be a prority you should be more concerned about actual abuse. Go fight them!!!

 

[JennSLK]

I will dock and crop ALL dobies I have in the future. They are SHOW dogs therefor they should be croped and docked. Not to metion I want to do shutzhund with them so they will aslso be working dogs

 

[jess2416]

I like natural ears but I do like the docked tail look of some breeds.

 

[bubbatd]

Jenn... with showing dogs you have no other way but go with what the judges are looking for. Maybe some day the pick of the breed will be " natural " and people will breath a sigh of relief .

 

[makenzie71]

.... why it was started baffles me.

It serves purpose. A lot of dogs in Celtic areas had their tails docked because of worm-like parasites that often infested them. Folks at the time blamed these parasites for rabies, mange, lameness (likely hip displasia), etc and did this as a preventative measure with some animals. A lot of dogs were used for working by either hauling cars, hunting or other forms of labor and the cropping was done to prevent their tails and ears from being entagled in ropes and equipment...much like they tended to do with field horses and oxen and such. Hunters much prefered "fluffier" dogs to have their ears and tails docked to keep them out of harm's way (the big floppy ears don't tend to fair well in briars), or went with dogs like pointers and poodles and such who more or less had "flags" instead of tails.

 

[amymarley]

You talk stupid... and uniformed. You may love your dogs...but, still don't know the right thing to do. Don't try an blast the rain forest on me, I am way to smart for you.... What you are doing is selfish and unreasonable, and if no one here is going to say it, I will. I think the whole lab thing is something you are making up, i think you are insecure and have no real animal training...again, i will "show myself", I HAVE MORE ANIMAL QUALIFICATIONS THAN YOU DO>>>>> BOTTOM LINE! Yes, you can do what you want, but if you want a real professional...well, I AM ONE... So don't try your rain forest, bunny hugger on me... I know what is the norm and what is right,,,,you just keep disfiguring your dogs and be at peace with yourself. Trust me, you don't want to go "one on one" with me with animals.... save yourself the humiliation. If you choose to go one one one with me..cool...if you just start stating cr*p, don't waste my time...... either one or the other! But for everyone's sake, post your remark accurate. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

 

[amymarley]

It serves purpose. A lot of dogs in Celtic areas had their tails docked because of worm-like parasites that often infested them. Folks at the time blamed these parasites for rabies, mange, lameness (likely hip displasia), etc and did this as a preventative measure with some animals. A lot of dogs were used for working by either hauling cars, hunting or other forms of labor and the cropping was done to prevent their tails and ears from being entagled in ropes and equipment...much like they tended to do with field horses and oxen and such. Hunters much prefered "fluffier" dogs to have their ears and tails docked to keep them out of harm's way (the big floppy ears don't tend to fair well in briars), or went with dogs like pointers and poodles and such who more or less had "flags" instead of tails.

That was AFTER their tails were cropped!

 

[brock23]

brock, I don't know about other breeds.... that may be well and true. I simply don't know....(so, no I am not bashing you).

My question was about boxers, and I know we have several "experts" on boxers here....

As for the post I posted above, that was telling someone that he/she is selfish for just doing "cosmetic" things on her dog. That is bad...in my opinion... she was defensive before anyone even "attacked" her, therefore, my thought, she knows in her heart that she is being selfish and unwilling to spare pain for her dogs..... It makes me sad.

No problem, I did not take anything as a bashing I just wanted to give my take on 1 breed. I wouldn't want to speak for Boxers either since I only know the reasons why German Shorthaired Pointers get docked.

 

[amymarley]

Thanks for the info, I was just bashing Dobegirl....for being brain dead. Sorry, just my opion. She might be very well adjusted, but mutilating her dogs, and having diffferent stories, makes me wonder... anyway, I am done with her. I don't want to read about her abuse for cosmetic reasons or whatever... she bores me and I have no respest (not that she cares) for her. I am sure others will read and re-read her posts and find her....well, .....we all know....
Amy

 

[JennSLK]

You talk stupid... and uniformed. You may love your dogs...but, still don't know the right thing to do. Don't try an blast the rain forest on me, I am way to smart for you.... What you are doing is selfish and unreasonable, and if no one here is going to say it, I will. I think the whole lab thing is something you are making up, i think you are insecure and have no real animal training...again, i will "show myself", I HAVE MORE ANIMAL QUALIFICATIONS THAN YOU DO>>>>> BOTTOM LINE! Yes, you can do what you want, but if you want a real professional...well, I AM ONE... So don't try your rain forest, bunny hugger on me... I know what is the norm and what is right,,,,you just keep disfiguring your dogs and be at peace with yourself. Trust me, you don't want to go "one on one" with me with animals.... save yourself the humiliation. If you choose to go one one one with me..cool...if you just start stating cr*p, don't waste my time...... either one or the other! But for everyone's sake, post your remark accurate. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

You need to get your head out of your A**

 

[makenzie71]

You need to get your head out of your A**

 

[amymarley]

oh, Jenn, you know more about training than me? I would have more pleasure taking you out of my a**.....
Let's play!

What did I say wrong?..... DON'T alter your dog for YOUR pleasure...sue me.... that was all I said. Some of you people here make me laugh, but I feel bad for your pets...

Mac, I thought you and I were cool.... i guess not!

AND AGAIN, I don't need too....since I ACTUALLY WORK WITH ANIMALS ON A DAILY BASIS.... domestic and exotic, so until YOU can prove ME wrong, you are wasting your time. AGAIN, To the both of you and you too MAC, lets post qualifications.....some of you are stupid, some mis-informed and some just wanting to start fights..... grow up and take good care of your animals.....
You all take care, amy

 

[bubbatd]

Wow people !!! Cool it !!! We have rescue vs show dogs here ! I doubt if anyone would rescue an unregistered pup from the HM and have tails or ears done ! People just see pictures of what " their breed " Ala AKC should look like and try to copy. People don't like to be different. Does this mean my grandson with DS should undergo plastic surgery to fit the " norm " ?? personnally we couldn't love him or be more proud of him the way he is ! No one has mentioned spaniel tails here... why are they cropped ??? No, I'm not a tree hugger or anything else. I let people do what ever they want to do ...it's their choice to keep natural or mutilate. Sure won't hurt us... just the dogs.

 

[makenzie71]

Mac, I thought you and I were cool.... i guess not!

...Mak...

You go around insisting on starting fights with people and dragging them out publicly. You have no tolerence for opinions outside your own. You're offensively egotistical. Et cetera. How can you believe anyone is cool with you?

 

[amymarley]

Gram, they are just looking for a fight...how sad. And how sad for their dogs? The problem here is, either really young posters looking for a fight or just stupid people......

Again, it won't hurt you or I, just the dogs....
Gram, take care, Amy

 

[makenzie71]

No one has mentioned spaniel tails here...

Spaniels are traditionally hunding dogs and they don't carry their tails as "flags" (so to speak) when they're on the hunt. The only thing their tail served them for is getting hung up in briars, getting bitten by foxes (etc) and other mishaps that generally did nothing but inflict further pain and inconvienience the hunters.

 

[amymarley]

Well, I just wrote JennSLK a pm..... if she chooses to respond, I will post the pm I wrote her and the pm she replied too... (still waiting).... I guess I gotta get my head out of my a**, since I don't know about animals....? Go figure.

But, when and if she responds, I will copy and paste it here!
Amy