New docking laws

Gallien Jacks · Mar 23, 2006

http://www.cdb.org/defra/index.htm, I am a member of here and in my local dog paper today the results were printed, basically as far as I understand, dogs that are for working can be docked the vet has to decide on this, dogs docked for working can not be shown, the KC is confused about it all, basically legally docked dogs can not be shown

JennSLK · Mar 23, 2006

OMG that is so stupid!!!!!!

Poor dobes. They look pathetic with tails

Dobiegurl · Mar 23, 2006

Ok, let me find all my vet bills, and food and training receipts. Because the day someone pays for my dogs necessities and spends time with him is the day they can tell me what I can and cannot do with my dog.

Gallien Jacks · Mar 23, 2006

I will let you know when I know more, so far they are a bit vague with the details, hopefully this can still be changed, I am getting a Boxer to show in a year or so, and if things carry on as they are I either chose to work with her, then she can be docked or I show her and have to put up with a tail, I already know what a Boxer is like with a tail and its not good! What I don't get is how a vet can pass a judgment at 3 days old whether that dog is going to work or whether the owner is just saying that ti get their pups docked, talk about encouraging BYB

Dobiegurl · Mar 23, 2006

Gallien Jacks said:

I don't think thats how there going to do it. I think that they are going to wait until the puppy grows a little to determine if its show or work quality. Then they will amputate the tail after weeks or even months of being alive. Thats what I'm thinking, so instead of cutting it off when the pups don't even feel it ,they are going to go through a surgical procedure (that is complicated, trust me I know) after the pups are grown. Oh yeah, thats way more effective. People are so ingnorant and need to go and fight a different cause like abused animals.

Gallien Jacks · Mar 23, 2006

The piece in the paper, says the new law will be that working, police dogs etc will be allowed to be docked before the age of 5 days

Dobiegurl · Mar 23, 2006

Gallien Jacks said:

Oh, well I didn't read the whole thing, I can't stand the stop the docking and cropping crap, boring. Well thats still stupid because how can you determine who's working quality at that age. STUPID!!!

brock23 · Mar 23, 2006

I don't understand. There are many many breeds that have docked tails regardless of whether they are for work or show. 2005 Westminster Best in Show was Carlee a GSP her tail was docked as most bird type dogs are.

Gallien Jacks · Mar 23, 2006

Yep exectly in my paper, there is a quote from a vet and he says the same how is he suposed to tell, and how does he enfourse this? What if a law was brought in that all dogs docked had to work then one of these dogs for some reason couldnt work what furure does that hold for them? i must admit that if I didnt own any of the docked breeds then this wouldnt bother me but I do not want another boxer with a tail!

Gallien Jacks · Mar 23, 2006

brock23 said:

Even the Kennel club doesn't get it, a lot Of CDB members are writing letters now I am doing mine tomorrow hopefully we can turn this around, this is why I feel that if you own a docked breed then you should become a member of a docking council or similar

brock23 · Mar 23, 2006

My dog might be the only one from his litter that doesn't currently hunt. I agree how are you supposed to know which dog is and which dog isn't going to work.

Right now in the GSP world the big debate is whether to allow the color black into the breed standard, right now the only color combinations allowed are liver and white.

jess2416 · Mar 23, 2006

brock23 said:

My dog might be the only one from his litter that doesn't currently hunt. I agree how are you supposed to know which dog is and which dog isn't going to work.

Right now in the GSP world the big debate is whether to allow the color black into the breed standard, right now the only color combinations allowed are liver and white.

I've never seen a black GSP

~Tucker&Me~ · Mar 23, 2006

Posted by JennSLK:
Poor dobes. They look pathetic with tails

Posted by Gallien Jacks:
i must admit that if I didnt own any of the docked breeds then this wouldnt bother me but I do not want another boxer with a tail!

No offence, but you guys (IMHO) sound really stuck up.
Can you not ignore the physical features and love the dog the way they are?

~Tucker

JennSLK · Mar 23, 2006

OMG Tucker! Do you really think that we dont love the dog because it has a tail? We SHOW, meaning its about looks. Yes thats superficial, but I still love my dogs no matter what.

Emma is a ugly dog as far a breed standard goes, but I still loe her to death.

I happen to think that a dobe with a tail looks stupid, just like I think poodles with their hari show cut look pathetic. My PERSONAL opinion. Does not meen I love them anyless.

If you preferd spesific color, lets say black. Would that mean you would love a brown dog less? no, you just preffer a black,

~Tucker&Me~ · Mar 23, 2006

I know what SHOW means, thank you very much.
I knew I would get 'bashed' when I replied to this thread *sighs*
Again, I just thought the way that you both worded your posts sounded really stuck up.
Whatever, as I stated before this was my personal opinion.
I am not a fan of cropping or docking unless the dog needs it done for work.

~Tucker

tessa_s212 · Mar 23, 2006

~Tucker&Me~ said:

You were "bashed" because you first bashed another member. Please understand that.

Dobiegurl · Mar 23, 2006

I still love my dog but I like my Doberman to look like a Doberman. I docked my dog's tail when he was 12 weeks old for cosmetic reasons. If I didn't dock his tail I would still love him, but I will still dock and crop all my future dobermans. It is totally superficial but oh well. I get so sick and tired of people judging me for cosmetic issues concerning my dog. You can have your opinions of those issues but I am totally for docking and cropping for cosmetic reasons and you cannot judge me for that, it doesn't make me a bad person. If you knew you would get "bashed" why did you even comment. Sounds to me like you were trying to stir up something.

tessa_s212 · Mar 23, 2006

Boy am I glad I live in a country that allows me to humanely choose what I want to do with my dog's tails. After finally owning a dog with a tail, if I ever choose to get a breed from a breeder, it *will* be a breed with a docked tail.

Though, I'll probably end up just getting random lovable mutts..so it won't matter what their tails look like.

How sad..first Canada is an idiot and bans pitbulls, and now this.. sad.

JennSLK · Mar 23, 2006

Tessa - Im canadian. No Im not offended. I agree, but at least BSL is just Ontario (for now)

Yes Tucker, I said what I said because you "bashed" me first by impying that I dont love my dog

~Tucker&Me~ · Mar 23, 2006

Dobiegurl,
I wanted to express my opinion. I see I have 'riled' everyone up, I didn't want to cause a big fight, just let everyone know my opinion.
Tessa,
You are right

I 'ish bad person... LOL
I was thinking more along the lines that I would get bashed up for not agreeing with docking and cropping...

~Tucker

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