New docking laws

~Tucker&Me~ · Mar 23, 2006

I still love my dog but I like my Doberman to look like a Doberman.

A doberman is a doberman is a doberman is a doberman.

Tail or not.

JennSLK:
Sorry, we posted at the same time.
Again, this is MHO.
I just don't like it that people call them pathetic or ugly the way they are born. To me it's like saying that girls look ugly withought makeup.

~Tucker

brock23 · Mar 23, 2006

jess2416 said:

Well then here you go. A black German Shorthair

tessa_s212 · Mar 23, 2006

brock23 said:

So is this black GSP becoming really popular within the field community? I honestly have never heard of a black either. Are there black partis as well?

Very pretty!..

brock23 · Mar 23, 2006

It has become the field community who has started to widely accept this color. (which actually has been in Europe for awhile) vs the show people who want only liver and white variations.

Dobiegurl · Mar 23, 2006

~Tucker&Me~ said:

Not my Dobies. All my future Dobies will have their ears cropped and tails docked and nothing is going to change my mind about that. I really hate when people judge me and try to change my opinion. It's not going to work so this discussion is going no where.

brock23 · Mar 23, 2006

I do not know how the standard reads for other breeds, but GSP's must have their tails docked to a length were they are able to sit on their tails.

jess2416 · Mar 23, 2006

brock23 said:

I seen that it was in German working lines

I like it (the black GSP)

But I have always like GSP's

rottnpagan · Mar 23, 2006

tessa_s212 said:

Hate to break it to you, but... there's many a movement in the US now to ban docking too. o.0 Might want to keep an eye out on that!

Right now, the American Rottweiler Club is having a battle on their hands because some want to re-write the breed standard to DQ any dog with a tail. If people continue to import European dogs, in particular German dogs, they're going to come with a tail. Then those dogs wouldn't be eligible to be shown in ARC/AKC events, which is really unfair, IMO.

Personally, I love my breed, tail or no tail. A rottweiler is still a rottweiler, in its heart and spirit. Not in a stub, or a kneebashing tail.

I'd love to own a tailed rott. XD

~Tucker&Me~ · Mar 23, 2006

Dobiegirl:
I am not trying to change your mind. I am just telling you my opinion.
It's a shame you wont even consider my views.

~Tucker

JennSLK · Mar 24, 2006

Personaly I think that you should be able to show a rottie with OUT a docked tail, only if it came from Europe or a place that does not allow docking.

Eg: UK you can show a croped Dobe ONLY if it came from the US or Can.

It should be the same in the states.

Gallien Jacks · Mar 24, 2006

Tucker, I own jacks and a boxer both usually docked breeds, I chose not to have my puppy's (Jacks) docked, and when we brought Pearl she was to be a pet only so the tail didn't matter or so we thought! Have you ever seen how a boisterous dog like a boxer is with a tail? I am sure in the not to distant future she will end up having to have her tail docked due to injury (this I know will cost a small fourtun), she will I am sure one day break it! She bangs it hard when excited, so hard sometimes that she cries out with pain! Now the Jacks don't have this problem unless they were to go out to work then damage is usually sustained (from wire excetra). I do not love Pearl any less for having a tail (even though it hurts like hell when you get whipped and I have lost count of everything she has broken with it). But my next Boxer is for showing, Judges are very biased and in all Boxer history there has only ever been one Champion with a tail, judges just don't like them and will pick a docked one over a UN docked one, so with that in mind and the fact that they can and do do serious damage to their tails when they are left UN docked no I do not want another undocked boxer! Now if this ban continues then its something I will have to consider, now if by that you think I don't love my dogs or I am stuck up then thats your choice!

Dizzy · Mar 24, 2006

Sorry - I'm happy about the proposed ban

JMO.

I like my dog how she is, whether her tail whips me and knocks glasses off the table or not.

All cosmetics in my opinon. Most people don't work their dogs. (yes of course some do before you on).

Once it is banned, give it a couple of years and you won't even remember how they used to look.

Cropping dogs is banned here, and noone complains about it. Most people dislike it. And I am sure there would have been the same uproar then as there is now.

Time change, feelings change, and people will move on. And in the long run the dogs will be wagging their beautiful tails proudly

Kase · Mar 24, 2006

I don't mind it at all, if it's banned I will be fine. I prefer dogs to have tails ( I do understand that some working dogs have docked tails for safety) and would never want to own a dog with a docked tail. Much later on in my life when I have more experience I would love to get a doberman, it's tail will deffinately not be docked. Overall I read my dog a lot through her tail and can't imagine her without it. I prefer tails that aren't docked and look natural.

Gallien Jacks · Mar 24, 2006

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I like them docked for the safety reasons, and discussing it is great, as long as it can be done in an adult manner

tessa_s212 · Mar 24, 2006

You know.. I *don't* work my dogs. My dogs are pets that I compete with in agility and obedience. BUT, a cocker just isn't a 'cocker' with a tail. I have seen show quality cockers from countries with docking banned, and they have some UGLY tails. Call me what you want, but I do prefer the *look* of a cocker with a docked tail. If that makes me horrible, well, go ahead and lable me as horrible.

taratippy · Mar 24, 2006

Dizzy said:

Think you've put it perfectly Dizzy. I will be really glad when the ban comes in.

Yes Ive seen dogs with damaged tails and not in normally docked breeds so as any breed can damage its tail should they all be docked as a matter of course?

Gallian the point about showing is confusing me, how can judges be biased when the ban comes in, surely as fewer and fewer docked dogs are shown they will not be able to be bias unless of course they wont pick a winner!

IMO the statement that an undocked dobie is pathetic is bound to be offensive to those who actually own an undocked dobie. One question though is 12 weeks normal for getting tails dock, its much much earlier in the UK?

Im also glad that I live in a country that does consider this a welfare issue.

rottnpagan · Mar 24, 2006

taratippy said:

No it's not. Most dogs are docked within the first 5 days.

brock23 · Mar 24, 2006

Now I would not even to try to speak for all breeds, but in GSP's as long as the tails are docked within the first 3 days after a dog's birth their pain sensors haven't fully developed in that area yet. Uncomfortable probably, but not un-humanely painful for the pup.

JennSLK · Mar 24, 2006

Jazz's litter was done at 2 days.

Sometimes they tail band as well.

Dobiegurl · Mar 24, 2006

Kase said:

And I think I should have the right to own a dog without a tail. Its a matter of preference and prefer my dogs without tails.

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