Nailing Cesar Millan With Tough, Truthful, Appropriate Questions - It's About Time
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You really leech yourself onto grammar mistakes don't you. I'm sure nothing you have ever posted has had any grammatical errors. 
You fancy yourself well educated so you open yourself up to challenges of said knowledge.
My point is that Cesar Millan get so much f*cking flak for "abusing" dogs. I don't see anyone getting off their asses to assist with rescue cases where there actually was some abuse going on. Donating time, money and resources. When is the last time you all have done something to help an actual issue?
This is what I have to do all week as well as having a family!
I guess when you've seen true abuse you get a little bit different of a perspective on just what abuse is.
But hey, I mean it sure is helpful for a bunch of people to get on a forum and rag on Cesar Millan! Oh yea! That's helping dogs all over the world *rolls eyes*
This is what I have to do all week as well as having a family!
I guess when you've seen true abuse you get a little bit different of a perspective on just what abuse is.
But hey, I mean it sure is helpful for a bunch of people to get on a forum and rag on Cesar Millan! Oh yea! That's helping dogs all over the world *rolls eyes*
Last February I took in two extremely emaciated, scarred up pit bull mixes, got them vetted, vaccinated, microchipped, and placed them in homes.
At the end of the month I'm taking one back because he's not working out.
This board of full of stories no less compelling than mine and many have done much more than I have.
So your point is?
At the end of the month I'm taking one back because he's not working out.
This board of full of stories no less compelling than mine and many have done much more than I have.
So your point is?
Actually I totally agree with all of this. I do think we have been approaching the argument from the “wrong†angle. And I’m including myself here!
The reality is, most people could care less about a snazzy obedience routine or solid contacts on the agility field. That’s meaningless to them. They just want a dog who doesn’t bother them. Who doesn’t pull on the leash or pee in the house or bark at the neighbor getting his mail. We keep showing all these amazing things dogs can do with clicker training and 95% of the dog owning world says “and?â€
I’ll never forget doing a demo with Bates at a fair that was not dog related, just general lifestyle related. We did a rally demo, a kids and dog safety demo, some fun tricks, then while I was helping Sue collect our stuff off the stage, I put him in a down stay. What did people comment on all day? The down stay. THAT was what impressed them, that I told him to lay down and stay and he did. Not that he held a stick of string cheese in his mouth without eating it. Nope, the down stay. If that doesn’t tell you something....
People want PRACTICAL advice for every day issues and we need to be able to recognize that and give them that in a user-friendly format. Hell, half of them don’t seek out a trainer until they’re at the point that they don’t even like the dog anymore. Telling them that this way is “nicer†is meaningless. They just want a solution and they don’t really care if the dog likes it or not.
We need to be talking in terms of effective and easy as opposed to dog friendly and science based.
The reality is, most people could care less about a snazzy obedience routine or solid contacts on the agility field. That’s meaningless to them. They just want a dog who doesn’t bother them. Who doesn’t pull on the leash or pee in the house or bark at the neighbor getting his mail. We keep showing all these amazing things dogs can do with clicker training and 95% of the dog owning world says “and?â€
I’ll never forget doing a demo with Bates at a fair that was not dog related, just general lifestyle related. We did a rally demo, a kids and dog safety demo, some fun tricks, then while I was helping Sue collect our stuff off the stage, I put him in a down stay. What did people comment on all day? The down stay. THAT was what impressed them, that I told him to lay down and stay and he did. Not that he held a stick of string cheese in his mouth without eating it. Nope, the down stay. If that doesn’t tell you something....
People want PRACTICAL advice for every day issues and we need to be able to recognize that and give them that in a user-friendly format. Hell, half of them don’t seek out a trainer until they’re at the point that they don’t even like the dog anymore. Telling them that this way is “nicer†is meaningless. They just want a solution and they don’t really care if the dog likes it or not.
We need to be talking in terms of effective and easy as opposed to dog friendly and science based.
I took in a Bullmastiff girl, through rescue. I was fostering her. She had been "trained" via harsh corrections and fear and anxiety. Same thing RubyGirl and CM are preaching.
Long, painful story short complete with several stitches....she had to be put down due to huge fear aggression issues. She couldn't be trusted with anyone, ever. She had no signals, they had all been corrected out of her. She was such a hot mess of fear and anxiety that she couldn't even keep weight on.
And it WAS the training. Because we had her litter brother...and he was/is perfectly fine.
Long, painful story short complete with several stitches....she had to be put down due to huge fear aggression issues. She couldn't be trusted with anyone, ever. She had no signals, they had all been corrected out of her. She was such a hot mess of fear and anxiety that she couldn't even keep weight on.
And it WAS the training. Because we had her litter brother...and he was/is perfectly fine.
I am pretty sure you are, but the crime only resides in willful ignorance.
You'd be surprised to know that I train a rather "balanced" lifestyle, my dogs do have consequences, but I am we'll educated in both "extremes".
If you want my opinion, there is less issue being had with how you train than with how you insult a more scientific, commonly known as positive, method.
You'd be surprised to know that I train a rather "balanced" lifestyle, my dogs do have consequences, but I am we'll educated in both "extremes".
If you want my opinion, there is less issue being had with how you train than with how you insult a more scientific, commonly known as positive, method.
...Are you high again?
For the record, I do not and have not ever worried that my dogs will "turn on me", because they trust me and I trust them, and also, that little nagging fact that the idea that dogs "turn" on their handlers reflects zero knowledge about actual dog behavior. LOL
For the record, I do not and have not ever worried that my dogs will "turn on me", because they trust me and I trust them, and also, that little nagging fact that the idea that dogs "turn" on their handlers reflects zero knowledge about actual dog behavior. LOL
I actually don't know many people on here who DON'T help in one way or another. Most people here work in rescue, donate, volunteer time and resources.
Heck my first dog was a dog that was beaten daily by a drunk idiot. She couldn't deal with strangers or strange objects. You couldn't walk toward her holding anything if she didn't know you because she was so terrified.
If you were a legitimate member on here you'd know most everyone here has helped and still continues to help animals who are in desperate need of an understanding human.
And what is this true abuse you are talking about? Abuse is abuse. Let's not turn this into a thing like 'legitimate rape'. Because we all know how smart that makes you look XD
Everyone knows that everything on Wikipedia is correct.
Isn't it amazing?
I was out with Traveler at a concert over the summer and he was backing up trees and doing handstands, got some smiles but that's about it. Then at one point I was on the sidewalk and a group was coming so I told him to get in, moved to the side and then asked him to sit. The group stopped dead and one of the guys goes "You just asked him to sit. And he DID! Just like that! Wow!"
Sits, downs, stays, comes and being relaxed in public places gets me way more attention than my gorgeous pivotes and fun tricks.
I was out with Traveler at a concert over the summer and he was backing up trees and doing handstands, got some smiles but that's about it. Then at one point I was on the sidewalk and a group was coming so I told him to get in, moved to the side and then asked him to sit. The group stopped dead and one of the guys goes "You just asked him to sit. And he DID! Just like that! Wow!"
Sits, downs, stays, comes and being relaxed in public places gets me way more attention than my gorgeous pivotes and fun tricks.
Agreed, that's the entire basis for my interaction with pet owning clients. I typically show them why using R+ is going to be more effective. I ask them not to collar pop the dog not because it's bad, but because here is X solution that will work better and show the dog a better alternative.
Honestly, I've found that as long I supply people with effective solutions, and assuming they aren't clinging to anything old school that they learned before/aren't determined to be vindictive/confrontational with their dogs, people are really very open.
But I admit I have no patience with sociopathic internet trolls. lol.
Honestly, I've found that as long I supply people with effective solutions, and assuming they aren't clinging to anything old school that they learned before/aren't determined to be vindictive/confrontational with their dogs, people are really very open.
But I admit I have no patience with sociopathic internet trolls. lol.