I'm VERY excited!!!

[Red Chrome]

I didn't email the breeder, FYI. I emailed the club as a courtesy to them. I've received emails like that before from other clubs. The email was actually much different than most are assuming and Muttkip got a copy of it.

Call me mean, harsh, overstepping bounds etc. it's pretty ironic since I had people call AC on me when I outed another member for starving a puppy. I've dealt with bitches nasty people who truly wanted drama. The email I sent was nothing like you people are assuming. Get off it.

 

[Red Chrome]

It wasn't just posts here that prompted me to.email the club. But anyway, it's done. Muttkip and I have chatted and she has the email. Which again is quite different than what people here are assuming.

 

[release the hounds]

I don't care if it was a breeder or a club, if you know this person in real life then you deal with this in real life. If your relationship is all internet based, then that's all you know and should keep it that way.

I don't care what was in the email, I still think it's overstepping boundaries. when someone wants to train with us, I can make up my mind all by myself if I want to train with them, give them my time and anything else. Schutzhund is a small world and if everyone believed what was emailed or talked about on the interent about everyone else, there wouldn't be anybody doing it. I learned a long time ago to judge people for myself and based on personal interaction.

 

[Taqroy]

I didn't email the breeder, FYI. I emailed the club as a courtesy to them. I've received emails like that before from other clubs. The email was actually much different than most are assuming and Muttkip got a copy of it.

Call me mean, harsh, overstepping bounds etc. it's pretty ironic since I had people call AC on me when I outed another member for starving a puppy. I've dealt with bitches nasty people who truly wanted drama. The email I sent was nothing like you people are assuming. Get off it.

This attitude does nothing to convince me that you did the "right" thing (which is entirely subjective).

I don't care if it was a breeder or a club, if you know this person in real life then you deal with this in real life. If your relationship is all internet based, then that's all you know and should keep it that way.

I don't care what was in the email, I still think it's overstepping boundaries. when someone wants to train with us, I can make up my mind all by myself if I want to train with them, give them my time and anything else. Schutzhund is a small world and if everyone believed what was emailed or talked about on the interent about everyone else, there wouldn't be anybody doing it. I learned a long time ago to judge people for myself and based on personal interaction.

This.

I'm not even getting into whether or not Muttkip should have a CC - frankly I'm not qualified to judge her (future or present) life based off her posts on the internet. I think the self righteous overtones in this thread are obnoxious.

ETA: BlackShadow's post is what I'd deem appropriate for this thread. Informative and to the point, but not needlessly going on about how awful of a pet owner Muttkip is.

 

[Red Chrome]

I'll just agree to disagree at this point. I'm not changing and neither are you.

We base people off our own impressions of them. Sometimes knowing a bit of history can enlighten some things.

Anyway....

 

[DobeLove]

I don't think there was anything wrong with emailing the club. She posted information on a PUBLIC forum, she should expect people to hear about it one way or another. Kind of like not posting on Facebook pictures of yourself partying or doing anything a future employer might see. If you don't want people to see it, don't post it in the first place. It's not something I personally would do but I can see why it was done.

If you don't have time to take care of your dogs how are you going to have time to go to a schutzhund club weekly? Or multiple times a week?

 

[release the hounds]

nice edit

 

[Dizzy]

I'm pretty sure the club members have enough intelligence between them to decide who is worthy to join or not.

Frankly I'd be applauding someone wanting to join a club and learn things rather than scaring them off for life. Elitist attitudes suck.

Also, I'd think if it'd had happened to you in the past you'd have learnt what a crappy asshatty thing it was to do yourself. Instead of using that to justify your actions.

 

[sillysally]

I'm pretty sure the club members have enough intelligence between them to decide who is worthy to join or not.

Frankly I'd be applauding someone wanting to join a club and learn things rather than scaring them off for life. Elitist attitudes suck.

Also, I'd think if it'd had happened to you in the past you'd have learnt what a crappy asshatty thing it was to do yourself. Instead of using that to justify your actions.

You'd think....

 

[sillysally]

I don't think there was anything wrong with emailing the club. She posted information on a PUBLIC forum, she should expect people to hear about it one way or another. Kind of like not posting on Facebook pictures of yourself partying or doing anything a future employer might see. If you don't want people to see it, don't post it in the first place. It's not something I personally would do but I can see why it was done.

If you don't have time to take care of your dogs how are you going to have time to go to a schutzhund club weekly? Or multiple times a week?

Actually, this is kind of like someone printing up partying photos and deliberately sending them to the company a perspective employee is interviewing with....

 

[SevenSins]

I'd actually have less of a problem with someone e-mailing a breeder and linking them to past posts by someone regarding to how their dogs are housed or trained, because even if a breeder is active online, not every breeder visits every website or knows what usernames are being used by whom. There are times where I don't feel like it's necessarily unwarranted to get involved. That said... While it's obvious that I'm really not a fan of the OP and some of the things I've learned about her through her own posts, and I definitely do not think the home is appropriate for a large molosser or intense working/guardian breed unless several things change drastically in the next couple years, I'm not entirely on-board with e-mailing a training club about the person because (and I don't know what was written, but regardless) I don't see it as being particularly beneficial at all for the club, the owner, or the dog(s). The OP has admitted that she doesn't spend enough time with her dogs, but I would think that getting involved with a reputable dog or training club would only be helpful then. Any working club worth its salt is going to know pretty quickly if someone is completely inexperienced, and/or shows up with a dog who isn't cut out for what they do, and will not inappropriately attempt to train an unsuitable dog (or unsuitable owner for that matter) for work it doesn't have the proper structure or temperament/drive to do, but could possibly provide references to other clubs or trainers that would be more appropriate for that team.

ETA:
"A cat with 1 eye is missing how many eyes?"
"1"
"1. The answer given for the random question was incorrect."
:wall:

 

[sparks19]

I'm pretty sure the club members have enough intelligence between them to decide who is worthy to join or not.

Frankly I'd be applauding someone wanting to join a club and learn things rather than scaring them off for life. Elitist attitudes suck.

Also, I'd think if it'd had happened to you in the past you'd have learnt what a crappy asshatty thing it was to do yourself. Instead of using that to justify your actions.

THIS!!!

WOW... this is... uh... would crazy be the wrong word?

 

[Red Chrome]

FYI- I wrote in the email that "I would be happy to welcome someone like her to our club if she applied, because she is wanting to better her dogs' lives and her own. She is very open to learning and that seems like she really wants to know more. At this point, I feel that she would be a wonderful candidate/addition to your club."

So.....Get over it.

 

[Brattina88]

add me to the creepy/inappropriate list

Actually, this is kind of like someone printing up partying photos and deliberately sending them to the company a perspective employee is interviewing with....

Oh, this totally happened where I work, recently! And while we were all shocked and appalled, in the end... it only made the person who sent them (who tried to be anonymous but was quickly found out) look really bad.

 

[SevenSins]

FYI- I wrote in the email that "I would be happy to welcome someone like her to our club if she applied, because she is wanting to better her dogs' lives and her own. She is very open to learning and that seems like she really wants to know more. At this point, I feel that she would be a wonderful candidate/addition to your club."

So.....Get over it.

Wouldn't it have been easier, though, to say that in the first place? Because if you actually wrote what you say you did there, that sounds vastly different from what is envisioned when someone says, "I forwarded some of your posts here to the club president as well as the regional DVG president and TD for that area. Since they are a DVG club and I am a DVG member, I felt they should be well informed before wasting time with you or costing a dog it's life possibly."

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Just for interest, when is it appropriate to do something after reading something online? Never?

 

[sparks19]

Just for interest, when is it appropriate to do something after reading something online? Never?

When there is real honest proof that a dog (or child) is in true danger and is truly being abused or neglected. Ie: starving to death or being beaten... NOT being fed a food you don't like and living outside instead of in the house. When a life is truly in danger... not when we just don't like someone or the way they do things.

not just heresay, not just "i don't like the way that dog is living" but honest to goodness danger to the animal or person and then you go to the authorities not to their friends, work place, etc. and NOT "I joined a new club to learn and may one day in the future get a puppy"... not that's not a valid reason to go off guns blazing and contact people. let's maybe assume for now that the people that run the club aren't braindead

 

[Fran101]

Go ahead and put me in the club of "holy crap never posting a link to personal clubs or anything ever again" .. way. over. the. line.

For an issue of true neglect, true abuse, for a breeder or rescue when you could honestly be saving a dogs life and saving them from neglect.. yes. That's understandable.
But to a kid looking to join a training club? Honestly..

I'm not going to say that my reaction to this thread was a happy one. I mean, future plans or no, going all giddy over future puppy plans when your dogs are outside living the way they are... it's disconcerting.

You say they are your kids and you love but actions prove that, not words.. that means putting some boots on and getting out there and being with them, rain or shine or mud or snow. Being a dog owner isn't fun everyday. Somedays it sucks. it's muddy and icky and gross.. but you do it, everyday, because it's what's best for them.

We've all been through rough patches..cheap food is better than no food, but to not be able to get them out of those runs everyday.. dogs are social animals, being kenneled for 24 hours just isn't..right. Even just 30 minutes a day, an hour.. Get 2 long lines and let them run around the yard while you surf the web or post on chaz even.
It just takes effort.

Sure basic cheap food, water, and shelter is better than nothing.. but is it really what they deserve?
and do they deserve for you to be out visiting clubs and researching and doing all these things for a puppy that doesn't even exist rather than doing stuff with the dogs that are already yours?

Everyone deserves a second chance, people change as dog owners, we all have. Most people here at one point has fed a crappy food, had outdoor dogs etc..etc.. before they knew better. I am not trying to make you feel attacked...
But change starts with current issues and you have to do what is best for the dogs that you HAVE before planning on another.

Nobody here is a perfect dog owner.
We've all made mistakes and things get taken out of context, especially in thread form.
But I do feel for your dogs.. the ones you have now that obviously love you and want attention

 

[Laurelin]

Yep. Happened to me here a few months back - I'm now MUCH more careful about what stuff I link to here. I really don't see why so many people skip the step of talking to the person involved BEFORE involving others, but it happens.

That seriously sucks.

add me to the list of those that think people have overstepped their bounds. I don't care much about the past history, if there is real, in person history, then take care of your issues in real life and in person. If your issues have been based on internet chat rooms, then keep your communication to internet chat rooms because that's all you really know about that person. The internet persona.

If the breeder does their work, their going to make a decision they're comfortable with, if they don't care, they aren't going to care what someone says on the internet either.

That.

I've been offered quite a few dogs in the past few years and I'm smart enough to know just because it's offered doesn't mean it's a good idea necessarily. And I'd assume a good breeder would do some research on their own. If they're not a good breeder... then what can you do? I don't see anything wrong with telling the OP to maybe think on this some more. Wait and decide after getting experience. The emailing though rubs me the wrong way. Makes me think twice about posting anything related to trainers. I already try to avoid posting breeder stuff...

I know IPO is a different world than agility but I was talking to my trainer a while back and she was mentioning that they often get in 'newbie' owners who feed bad food and whatnot. the ones that stick it out are the ones whose dogs will benefit from being around more experienced hands. I think it's great the OP has a chance to learn with some people who probably have a lot more experience than she does. Everybody starts somewhere.

I am not a fan of getting a dog 'for sport' especially if you have not really worked your current dogs in it. It's always best to start with what you've got. My rule of thumb is that any dog I get in the future cannot lessen the amount of attention/training my current guys get. If that's not possible, then no new dog.

 

[SevenSins]

Just for interest, when is it appropriate to do something after reading something online? Never?

Depends on who you're contacting. I'm pretty lax on the subject, because I don't necessarily draw a firm line between "online" and "offline," depending on the situation. I DO think that "I don't like the way the dog is living" is a legitimate reason to contact certain people the dog's owner may be involved with, provided that it's within reason and has some reasonable context behind it (person posts a photo of their dog outside in the mud, on a chain, probably not going to say anything if there is no other context or anything standing out to me that would prompt it, vs. someone who posts that their dog lives on a chain, in the mud, and that they hardly have time to spend with the dog - and/or the dog is clearly physically neglected; underweight, poor coat, mile long nails, skin infections, etc). I think a breeder, for instance, should be made aware of those things. I would appreciate that sort of heads-up, personally. Definitely not something as simple as "this person is a scumbag because they feed Taste of the Wild, and I don't like that kind of food because it gave my dog diarrhea once, so you shouldn't give them a dog." With something like a training club? I don't know, maybe if I saw someone posting on a forum that they were abusing that training by using the dog to show off and intimidate random people in their neighborhood, just as a completely random example.