I'm VERY excited!!!
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Oh! This reminds me of a commercial. Because everything you read on the Internet is true. And I know that's true because I read it on the Internet. Excuse me while I go with my French model date
Oh! This reminds me of a commercial. Because everything you read on the Internet is true. And I know that's true because I read it on the Internet. Excuse me while I go with my French model date
I still fail to see how someone treats their dogs should stop them joining what might be an excellent learning opportunity.
This isn't at all about how she treats her dogs.
That is a different thread.
Plus......... I thought crap from other forums was meant to stay on other forums?
Chrome took great pleasure in bragging how she sent those emails to the club.
Club.... CLUB. It wasn't a breeder. IT WAS A CLUB!!!
This isn't at all about how she treats her dogs.
That is a different thread.
Plus......... I thought crap from other forums was meant to stay on other forums?
Chrome took great pleasure in bragging how she sent those emails to the club.
Club.... CLUB. It wasn't a breeder. IT WAS A CLUB!!!
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I did not brag, I said it in my post. Anyway, you guys feel the way you do and I feel the way I do. Muttkip has a copy of the email and we have talked.
My intention is not for her to not train, I actually encouraged her to do obedience, talk to the club.
I will not stand by and not say anything when I feel there is information that someone needs. What you all sit in chat and bitch about......I actually say something about it. I've done it in real life and online.
You guys can think I'm a Dick it whatever, but that said, it doesn't change anything. This was not done because of this one post, this one time.
What's funny is, a few posting here emailed my breeder for my AST, my training club and Judge's breeder telling them I'm a horrible home etc. Pot meet Kettle anyone? It's only ok when you do it, in secret and say nothing?
Anyway, I'm done in this thread. Muttkip, I hope you join and learn and wait for a puppy and change a lot before you get one. I feel you want to learn and that is a good thing.
My intention is not for her to not train, I actually encouraged her to do obedience, talk to the club.
I will not stand by and not say anything when I feel there is information that someone needs. What you all sit in chat and bitch about......I actually say something about it. I've done it in real life and online.
You guys can think I'm a Dick it whatever, but that said, it doesn't change anything. This was not done because of this one post, this one time.
What's funny is, a few posting here emailed my breeder for my AST, my training club and Judge's breeder telling them I'm a horrible home etc. Pot meet Kettle anyone? It's only ok when you do it, in secret and say nothing?
Anyway, I'm done in this thread. Muttkip, I hope you join and learn and wait for a puppy and change a lot before you get one. I feel you want to learn and that is a good thing.
This may come as a surprise, but there are a few people who actually say everything in the open. I don't use chat or chat to people on facebook. Only on open, public chaz forum posts.
Perhaps people could learn a thing or two. Why people feel the need to behave so sly is not in my range of comprehension. If I personally felt there was abuse or cruelty, I'd take the time to tell that person what actions I'd take if they didn't change. Then if it didn't change, I'd tell them I was taking that action.
And no one is expecting anyone to change, that involves recognising you can be a better person and that can only come from you.
Eta..... I can't think of a single time when I've felt the need to get my internet dog police hat on though.... Srsly. Anywho, no point flogging a dead horse.
Perhaps people could learn a thing or two. Why people feel the need to behave so sly is not in my range of comprehension. If I personally felt there was abuse or cruelty, I'd take the time to tell that person what actions I'd take if they didn't change. Then if it didn't change, I'd tell them I was taking that action.
And no one is expecting anyone to change, that involves recognising you can be a better person and that can only come from you.
Eta..... I can't think of a single time when I've felt the need to get my internet dog police hat on though.... Srsly. Anywho, no point flogging a dead horse.
The self assurance always cracks me up, truly. It's amazing one can argue from such a high horse.
I've been saying this for months but The pure and simple fact this forum is so public it pops up on google searchable like yahoo questions should tell everyone to not post private information. It shouldn't take something like this.
I recently had someone upset in Flyball because of a conversation in which she felt I called her dog less than because I was thinking out loud about the cause and effect of breeding sport mixes and I used a sibling of her dog as an example.
You're fooling yourself if you feel for a moment hundreds of people off Chaz aren't skimming our posts on a regular basis or searching our database with our dogs names or breeds or sports.
I've been saying this for months but The pure and simple fact this forum is so public it pops up on google searchable like yahoo questions should tell everyone to not post private information. It shouldn't take something like this.
I recently had someone upset in Flyball because of a conversation in which she felt I called her dog less than because I was thinking out loud about the cause and effect of breeding sport mixes and I used a sibling of her dog as an example.
You're fooling yourself if you feel for a moment hundreds of people off Chaz aren't skimming our posts on a regular basis or searching our database with our dogs names or breeds or sports.
Yes everything is searchable and I have no doubt people are reading everything but that is a far cryfrom chazzers taking it upon themselves to interfere with the offline lives of other chazzers when there is no danger to anyone or anything. There is NO puppy at this time so we aren't saving anything yet.
Saving an animal from abuse and true neglect is one thing, contacting people just because you don't agree is another
Saving an animal from abuse and true neglect is one thing, contacting people just because you don't agree is another
Ah, but you're fooling yourself if you think she's the first or only Chazzer to act on a thought. The upset here is because she has the audacity to own up to her actions.
I like the OP (unlike many of you in defense), faults and all, I'm not convinced she's without hope of change. I also don't know that some realization, as scary and upsetting as it can be, that her online admissions can follow her to real life was such a bad thing.
I wish RC had PMd that to MK for her own defense, though, and this would have been a much shorter thread.
I like the OP (unlike many of you in defense), faults and all, I'm not convinced she's without hope of change. I also don't know that some realization, as scary and upsetting as it can be, that her online admissions can follow her to real life was such a bad thing.
I wish RC had PMd that to MK for her own defense, though, and this would have been a much shorter thread.
Some of you might be curious to learn that many moons ago, someone on here saw me reference extremely vague possible future breeding goals for Keeva and ran screaming to her breeder. :rofl1: opcorn: I know who it was (and actually I suspect there were multiple parties involved) and I don't care, and have no ill will towards those involved - though I did find it kind of funny, as if I were doing something behind her back? I talk with her breeder all the time, we're FB friends. LOL Regardless, it was nosy and misplaced but the intentions were good.
Anyway, this is a public forum. Don't say anything you don't want recorded, repeated, and remembered. It may just be "the internet" but with the advent of social media, the line between "online" and "in real life" grows thinner and thinner.
Personally, I'm glad. I've never met Aleron "IRL" before but we've become good friends and she sent me my dog! However, it's a double edged sword. Would have I written in to the club in this case? No and I'm not condoning it in this instance but it is a reality of posting on a public forum.
opcorn: I know who it was (and actually I suspect there were multiple parties involved) and I don't care, and have no ill will towards those involved - though I did find it kind of funny, as if I were doing something behind her back? I talk with her breeder all the time, we're FB friends. LOL Regardless, it was nosy and misplaced but the intentions were good. Anyway, this is a public forum. Don't say anything you don't want recorded, repeated, and remembered. It may just be "the internet" but with the advent of social media, the line between "online" and "in real life" grows thinner and thinner.
Personally, I'm glad. I've never met Aleron "IRL" before but we've become good friends and she sent me my dog! However, it's a double edged sword.
Would have I written in to the club in this case? No and I'm not condoning it in this instance but it is a reality of posting on a public forum.
I would like to add I would love to think this was a safer place and for the most part it is, it's extremely open and fair when it comes to debate and training particularly, but it's something to be aware of.
I would feel awful and I would hesitate doing so, I have not ever called nor warned as I am not sure it's my place and frankly I am pretty neutral about most contacts I don't care for, but it's not a bad reminder that it does in fact happen.
However, if you are comfortable in your lifestyle and an advocate for it, no matter your housing or training style, then there should, in theory, be nothing to worry about. Like RTH said his choices can sound ugly and mine can as well, when cleverly presented, however I am comfortable and confident that should someone challenge me on them I can rationally explain my lifestyle without finding myself excluded. If I cannot then maybe there is something wrong with my lifestyle and in turn I should be working to better it, which FWIW I often am doing by way of training questions and educational discussion sharing.
I would feel awful and I would hesitate doing so, I have not ever called nor warned as I am not sure it's my place and frankly I am pretty neutral about most contacts I don't care for, but it's not a bad reminder that it does in fact happen.
However, if you are comfortable in your lifestyle and an advocate for it, no matter your housing or training style, then there should, in theory, be nothing to worry about. Like RTH said his choices can sound ugly and mine can as well, when cleverly presented, however I am comfortable and confident that should someone challenge me on them I can rationally explain my lifestyle without finding myself excluded. If I cannot then maybe there is something wrong with my lifestyle and in turn I should be working to better it, which FWIW I often am doing by way of training questions and educational discussion sharing.
I guess I don't see where this has anyone saying she shared private information. All of us know what we post online isn't private.
But, I personally think there is a line and Red Chrome crossed it. If the club was worried they should/could have done the footwork and googled her name, like is being said, it would come up. But a third party sending it to them to "warn" them of her? Well, I find that petty, sad and creepy.
But, I was annoyed before Red Chrome said she did that because of the way Muttkip was being treated. I get there is past history but then deal with that, don't pick on her for being excited about a new training opportunity and possible breeder for the future or mock her for calling her dog dumb.
This whole thing just stank to me.
But, I personally think there is a line and Red Chrome crossed it. If the club was worried they should/could have done the footwork and googled her name, like is being said, it would come up. But a third party sending it to them to "warn" them of her? Well, I find that petty, sad and creepy.
But, I was annoyed before Red Chrome said she did that because of the way Muttkip was being treated. I get there is past history but then deal with that, don't pick on her for being excited about a new training opportunity and possible breeder for the future or mock her for calling her dog dumb.
This whole thing just stank to me.
While I don't necessarily agree with e-mailing the club in this situation, I do think that there are times when it's helpful to give someone a head's up on a person.
We've all seen cases of abuse and neglect on this forum- I can rattle off a good handful of threads that have exploded due to people starving their dogs, refusing to take them to the vet when they're peeing blood, dropping their dogs off at shelters and getting new ones, etc, etc.
Had the OP given a link to a breeder's website, I probably WOULD have fired off an e-mail to let them know about the situation with her current dogs.
I try to be cautious about how I post. It's sad, but when you're a member of a forum that's very public, you have to be careful.
I used to be a member of a chihuahua forum when Rylie and Chloe were puppies. Anyway, I had plans of spaying Chloe, but I wanted to wait until she was a year old. I posted up a set of pictures of Rylie and Chloe playing together, and Chloe was wearing her heat panties. I had posted up her breeder information in an old thread, and someone must've contacted her breeder to let her know I was "breeding" Chloe. It made me mad at the time (anyone who knew me knew how I felt about breeding from my posts), and now I never share breeder information publicly.
We've all seen cases of abuse and neglect on this forum- I can rattle off a good handful of threads that have exploded due to people starving their dogs, refusing to take them to the vet when they're peeing blood, dropping their dogs off at shelters and getting new ones, etc, etc.
Had the OP given a link to a breeder's website, I probably WOULD have fired off an e-mail to let them know about the situation with her current dogs.
I try to be cautious about how I post. It's sad, but when you're a member of a forum that's very public, you have to be careful.
I used to be a member of a chihuahua forum when Rylie and Chloe were puppies. Anyway, I had plans of spaying Chloe, but I wanted to wait until she was a year old. I posted up a set of pictures of Rylie and Chloe playing together, and Chloe was wearing her heat panties. I had posted up her breeder information in an old thread, and someone must've contacted her breeder to let her know I was "breeding" Chloe. It made me mad at the time (anyone who knew me knew how I felt about breeding from my posts), and now I never share breeder information publicly.
I'd be comfortable with contact if there were actual proof of wrongdoing (such as neglect or abuse) and the people being contacted were capable of actually taking action.
Contacting a training club based on forum posts and a "past history" is overstepping (IMO) and frankly pretty **** useless. And Red Chrome has clearly been around the internet - posting that she'd sent an email when all most of us have to go on is this thread IN NO WAY indicates that there is a past history. She had to have a good idea of the way that would go.
Contacting a training club based on forum posts and a "past history" is overstepping (IMO) and frankly pretty **** useless. And Red Chrome has clearly been around the internet - posting that she'd sent an email when all most of us have to go on is this thread IN NO WAY indicates that there is a past history. She had to have a good idea of the way that would go.