I know now that Teddy will protect me
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First of all I would like to make it very clear that Teddy comes in contact with runners on a daily basis and does not take after them ever. He is also around running children on a regular basis and does not take after them. HOWEVER, this person came out of nowhere. We did not see him nor hear him until he was RIGHT in front of us. Teddy does not take after just anyone. Teddy will stop doing things when I tell him but this time he sensed a real threat in this person and the guy scared the hell out of me and I am sure Teddy sensed that. again I repeat teddy does NOT take after anyone who is running or comes near me.
Also we are in a new home in a new city in a NEW country for him. He has been nothing but friendly with everyone he has come in contact with except for this person. Teddy did not rush to attack this person as you have ASSUMED.(remember what they say about assuming but I guess assuming just makes the flaming much more fun
) Teddy has always stopped when I have told him to but this guy was very persistant. If Teddy wanted to hurt this guy he would have. He has BIG fangs and if he wanted to sink his teeth into the guys arm he would have BUT he didn't. He was sure to grab onto a loose part of his sweater so he could restrain him NOT BITE him. Once he had the guys sweater I told him to "down" and he did. BUT again thank you for assuming that I am irresponsible with my dog. GOOD JOB
Julie: Teddy is part red bone coonhound. Teddy is not very protective of much except for me and that really only started when we had to move away from the states and I was living alone. People come in here all the time and he never has a problem with it. he greets everyone with a vigorously wagging tail. That is why up to this point I was afraid that if something were happening to me that he wouldn't do anything. Now I know differently and I am not afraid to go for walks with him alone. he looks all coonhound but has more of a lab personality.
Also we are in a new home in a new city in a NEW country for him. He has been nothing but friendly with everyone he has come in contact with except for this person. Teddy did not rush to attack this person as you have ASSUMED.(remember what they say about assuming but I guess assuming just makes the flaming much more fun
) Teddy has always stopped when I have told him to but this guy was very persistant. If Teddy wanted to hurt this guy he would have. He has BIG fangs and if he wanted to sink his teeth into the guys arm he would have BUT he didn't. He was sure to grab onto a loose part of his sweater so he could restrain him NOT BITE him. Once he had the guys sweater I told him to "down" and he did. BUT again thank you for assuming that I am irresponsible with my dog. GOOD JOB Julie: Teddy is part red bone coonhound. Teddy is not very protective of much except for me and that really only started when we had to move away from the states and I was living alone. People come in here all the time and he never has a problem with it. he greets everyone with a vigorously wagging tail. That is why up to this point I was afraid that if something were happening to me that he wouldn't do anything. Now I know differently and I am not afraid to go for walks with him alone. he looks all coonhound but has more of a lab personality.
Redbones are beautiful dogs and so is Teddy. Don't feel abit bad for what he did and it really is hard to experience what really happened thru typing on a forum. Nobody was there except you and Teddy. Since he felt threatened with no out, he did just fine. At least you will feel safe with him in your home. I know I do with my dogs. LOL
And the dumba** people that don't listen when you tell them something, Well oh well, the sad thing is you can still be responsible for the stupidity of other people. So just be careful
I think most posters would like to think they could call their dog off of prey or an "attacker" but when the sh*t hits the fan, I think alot of the dogs wouldn't hear the commands either. I mean this is the web, anyone can say anything they want with no proof of their story.
At least your story is honest and upfront..............I admire that!
Your legs must be sore...you know from jumping to all these conclusions.
Teddy does not go after anyone who just happens to be jogging. Like i said he comes into contact with joggers everyday and just carries on his merry way looking for squirrels (they are much more fun to chase than people) He loves people and has no problem with people approaching me but this guy kept coming at us. Teddy tried many times to cut him off his path and NEVER jumped at him in attempt to bite him. The guy then kept coming at us and coming at us. Teddy tried many attempts to stop him from getting to me before he felt the need to restrain him. I don't see anything wrong with that. Although It seems that you see a problem with self defense also. if I feel threatened you better believe I am going to hurt them before they hurt me. Your above statment tells me that you would just sit there and scream for help. Depending on others to save you is only setting you up for disaster and disappointment
Julie- I am glad to know that he will protect me especially since my husband can't move up here yet and I walk Teddy alone. I am sometimes nervous when walking him after dark because we live by the university and there are a lot of stupid people around here that I don't really trust. You never know who could be lurking in the bushes. Thank you for your kind words
I knkow we would be held responsible if something were to happen and I think it sucks that my dog can't defend me without some kind of repercussions. I did ask the guy repeatedly if he was alright and if he was SURE that he was alright and if he was SURE he was SURE lol. He was very nice and understanding and I apologized over and over and explained why teddy reacted that way. i was lucky that he was so understanding but I was really shaken up.
Sparks never said that he actually ATTACKED the jogger. I bet most of your own dogs would have done the same exact thing, if not worse, if somebody just appeared out of nowhere. Sparks being scared probably affected Teddy's behaviour also.
CanadianK9, first of all, you were not in the actual situation. And I do think that dogs are a bit more loyal to their owners (who gave them shelter, food, water, companionship, love, pleasure, toys, bones, treats, and I can go on and on and on...) than friends are loyal to other friends. We have human delacacies (jealousy, anger, etc.). I remember when my friend got really mad at me and stopped being my friend. I don't think that the average dog would do that very often.
CanadianK9, first of all, you were not in the actual situation. And I do think that dogs are a bit more loyal to their owners (who gave them shelter, food, water, companionship, love, pleasure, toys, bones, treats, and I can go on and on and on...) than friends are loyal to other friends. We have human delacacies (jealousy, anger, etc.). I remember when my friend got really mad at me and stopped being my friend. I don't think that the average dog would do that very often.
THANK YOU
I love how everyone jumps to the conclusion that Teddy just brutally attacked this guy.
Also if I felt that someone was threatening my friend I would help protect them but apparently that is WRONG WRONG WRONG. I suppose I should just sit back and watch her be threatened and possibly "fatally injured" because its just not right to defend yourself or anyone else HAHAHAHA
Yeah, the law probably wouldn't see it that way, but the guy kept coming and I have to ask how patient should a dog be?
My old Lab I had went after, and got some drunk that suddenly grabbed me while I was sitting at a drive in movie about 25 years ago. There were 6 screens and he went to the snack bar to get some popcorn and thought my truck was his brother's, who was about 150' away, watching another movie. My dog Joe was passed out on the seat next to me.
I was just sitting there, all of a sudden, the door opens and this guy grabs my arm, and says, "WTF are you doing? Get out of my brother's truck before I kick your A**!"
I pushed him back, and he came up again. I told him he had the wrong truck, and he grabbed me by the hair by one hand, and Joe nailed his other hand that he had grabbed the steering wheel with, twice. He screamed and staggered back, and Joe tried to get out of the truck and continue with the "fight". I held onto him, but he was seriously pissed off, and the drunk guy wasn't going away. All of a sudden, the guy's brother shows up and tells him he is messed up, it's not his truck. Then he took his brother back to his truck, then he comes back and apologized for what happened. He said it was his brother's own fault he got bit twice, and he maybe would learn a lesson and stop drinking. He patted Joe on the head and Joe had no problem with him.
They left to go to the ER and I thought it was all over with. About an hour later (there were 3 movies) here comes the cops. Apparently the ER doctor called them when they saw the bites and they "had to investigate". I told them what happened and they saw that my dog was hardly vicious, just protectful, and that was it.
I think that Teddy did pretty well actually.
My old Lab I had went after, and got some drunk that suddenly grabbed me while I was sitting at a drive in movie about 25 years ago. There were 6 screens and he went to the snack bar to get some popcorn and thought my truck was his brother's, who was about 150' away, watching another movie. My dog Joe was passed out on the seat next to me.
I was just sitting there, all of a sudden, the door opens and this guy grabs my arm, and says, "WTF are you doing? Get out of my brother's truck before I kick your A**!"
I pushed him back, and he came up again. I told him he had the wrong truck, and he grabbed me by the hair by one hand, and Joe nailed his other hand that he had grabbed the steering wheel with, twice. He screamed and staggered back, and Joe tried to get out of the truck and continue with the "fight". I held onto him, but he was seriously pissed off, and the drunk guy wasn't going away. All of a sudden, the guy's brother shows up and tells him he is messed up, it's not his truck. Then he took his brother back to his truck, then he comes back and apologized for what happened. He said it was his brother's own fault he got bit twice, and he maybe would learn a lesson and stop drinking. He patted Joe on the head and Joe had no problem with him.
They left to go to the ER and I thought it was all over with. About an hour later (there were 3 movies) here comes the cops. Apparently the ER doctor called them when they saw the bites and they "had to investigate". I told them what happened and they saw that my dog was hardly vicious, just protectful, and that was it.
I think that Teddy did pretty well actually.
Unfortunately, in today's society the law is what matters. Teddy's actions make sense to dog people, but the law doesn't always see it that way.
And Sparks, I apologize for assuming too much from your first post. And I know you're not an irresponsible dog owner, and that you love Teddy very much. You've done a great job with him.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you're understanding exactly how much trouble Teddy could have been be in. I have a coworker who's dachshund did the same thing a few years back (only it was to a walker, not a jogger). He ended up getting a citation, paying a $200 fine and his dog was put in quarrentine for 10 days. And the dog didn't even actually bite anyone, he jumped at the walker and grabbed her pant leg.
I'm just trying to stress that you need to do your best to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
And Sparks, I apologize for assuming too much from your first post. And I know you're not an irresponsible dog owner, and that you love Teddy very much. You've done a great job with him.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you're understanding exactly how much trouble Teddy could have been be in. I have a coworker who's dachshund did the same thing a few years back (only it was to a walker, not a jogger). He ended up getting a citation, paying a $200 fine and his dog was put in quarrentine for 10 days. And the dog didn't even actually bite anyone, he jumped at the walker and grabbed her pant leg.
I'm just trying to stress that you need to do your best to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Well what I would like to ask you is how is Teddy supposed to know the guy is not a danger when he came running at us out of nowhere. Teddy has shown time and time again that he knows the difference between just someone jogging by. I was afraid. This area has the highest number of rapes in most of Ontario. I don't give a flying rats ass how you feel about it because I am happy to know that my dog will stop someone BEFORE they get the chance to hurt me. If that doesn't suit you well then have fun in your unsafe environment. I am sure you would love to think that your dog would know the difference in any situation he comes across but you see dogs don't think like you and I. You comparing my dogs reaction to how a friend would react is just stupidity. Thats like comparing apples to broccoli. So please tell me how long my dog should wait before defending me. Should someone be able to come in my house and take a few shots at me before my dog deems it appropriate to fight back? AH the bleeding hearts are what makes the world go round i guess.
Although if someone were hurting Teddy i would seriously hurt that person too but Im sure thats wrong in your mind. I don't count on the police to come save me because by the time they got there I would already be dead. You shouldn't rely on others to protect you. Teddy came in contact with two runners today while we were walking and he didn't even flinch at them. Sorry i lied. He wagged his tail, i guess that counts as flinching. You see he is not a reckless danger to society as you would like to believe. Although I see you already have that thought cemented into your head. Also I know a cop and I have spoken with him about this and he said that first of all since there was no bite not even a nip the guy could not press any kind of charges. Second of all because I felt threatened by this person when he first appeared that me and my dog had the right to defend ourselves. It was not a designated running path like the one that was 10 feet to the right. He said that I would get a bit of a break because I am a female living alone in such a dangerous area. Sexist to some but sure makes me feel more comfortable.
I only hope that one day your dog will be able to protect you and that you will not chastize him for it.
Although if someone were hurting Teddy i would seriously hurt that person too but Im sure thats wrong in your mind. I don't count on the police to come save me because by the time they got there I would already be dead. You shouldn't rely on others to protect you. Teddy came in contact with two runners today while we were walking and he didn't even flinch at them. Sorry i lied. He wagged his tail, i guess that counts as flinching. You see he is not a reckless danger to society as you would like to believe. Although I see you already have that thought cemented into your head. Also I know a cop and I have spoken with him about this and he said that first of all since there was no bite not even a nip the guy could not press any kind of charges. Second of all because I felt threatened by this person when he first appeared that me and my dog had the right to defend ourselves. It was not a designated running path like the one that was 10 feet to the right. He said that I would get a bit of a break because I am a female living alone in such a dangerous area. Sexist to some but sure makes me feel more comfortable.
I only hope that one day your dog will be able to protect you and that you will not chastize him for it.
Although you will be happy to know that in areas where we cannot see what is ahead I do keep him on a short leash. I would also like you all to understand that Teddy does not take after all joggers like you are all freaking out about and assuming he does. In fact one time a three year old girl came running up to him and just threw her arms around his neck and you know what he did. He sat right down and just let her hug him and then gave her a big lick right on her lips. WOW he's so vicious and reckless. That little girls mother didn't call her back or anything just let her run right up to Teddy. See teddy understood that it was not in anyway a threatening situation to him or anyone else.
When this guy appeared I screamed because he scared me I am sure that sent Teddy reeling. He also came running out from the middle of the brush. How do I know he hadn't been hiding in there waiting to attack me. If I had been at the front of the line he would have had a sore pair of nuts and a broken nose so I think he got the better end of the deal with Teddy.
When this guy appeared I screamed because he scared me I am sure that sent Teddy reeling. He also came running out from the middle of the brush. How do I know he hadn't been hiding in there waiting to attack me. If I had been at the front of the line he would have had a sore pair of nuts and a broken nose so I think he got the better end of the deal with Teddy.
First I haven't read all the posts But, I want to stress that if you are going in a public area where there may be bikers or joggers they have all the rights over a dog owner. If your dog had made contact with the skin of this person, or if this jogger considered your dog to be a threat by the way he was attacked he is in the perfect legal right to do so. If someone broke into my home and my dog attacked and harmed the robber. that robber could sue me.
One thing bad for pittie owners, this attack will probably be blamed on pits and will put another scar against their name. That man will probably not know the dog was a coon hound mix, just a pit mix.
I'm sure the jogger who was attacked is going to be talking and very upset by the ordeal. The jogger was in the right, the dog owner is in the wrong. As the owner of the dog (btw, this dog would never pass a CGC test) the dog owner should have gained instant control over the dog and moved off the path to allow the jogger to pass. This is why people want to ban breeds, its because of people who own dogs that are out of control. No dog should ever lunge at another person. For a person who was intending on hurting a person, they are looking for vulnerable people. There is no need to protect yourself with a personal protection dog. People who want to rape, attack, rob etc will not pick a person that has a dog, even a lap dog as it would attract too much attention.
This is the reason people want to ban certain breeds. If a person gets attacked while jogging (and in their perfect legal right to be jogging in the area, while with the dog owner it is a previlidge not a right to be in that area). We can thank people like this who do not have properly trained and controlled dog
Once my sister was waiting at a red light, her passenger door was not locked and her Doberman was laying on the sit beside her. A man came running over and opened the door and was about to jump inside. The Dobe sat up, but, made no attempt to attack. The man jumped back out and took off. This was a case were the dog was well trained and able to control itself. This Dobe also passed her CGC title easily as she reacted to situations but collected her self easily.
Didn't mean to sound harsh. Just a reality break
Most people work with their dogs and have control of their dogs. You also can prove how much control you have by getting your dog CGC titled to show that it can tolerate these situations. It takes socialization etc. When you have breeds that have the potential to attack then you take more care and either avoid situations or you work with the dog to desensitize it to these situations.
But, I want to stress that if you are going in a public area where there may be bikers or joggers they have all the rights over a dog owner. If your dog had made contact with the skin of this person, or if this jogger considered your dog to be a threat by the way he was attacked he is in the perfect legal right to do so. If someone broke into my home and my dog attacked and harmed the robber. that robber could sue me. One thing bad for pittie owners, this attack will probably be blamed on pits and will put another scar against their name. That man will probably not know the dog was a coon hound mix, just a pit mix.
I'm sure the jogger who was attacked is going to be talking and very upset by the ordeal. The jogger was in the right, the dog owner is in the wrong. As the owner of the dog (btw, this dog would never pass a CGC test) the dog owner should have gained instant control over the dog and moved off the path to allow the jogger to pass. This is why people want to ban breeds, its because of people who own dogs that are out of control. No dog should ever lunge at another person. For a person who was intending on hurting a person, they are looking for vulnerable people. There is no need to protect yourself with a personal protection dog. People who want to rape, attack, rob etc will not pick a person that has a dog, even a lap dog as it would attract too much attention.
This is the reason people want to ban certain breeds. If a person gets attacked while jogging (and in their perfect legal right to be jogging in the area, while with the dog owner it is a previlidge not a right to be in that area). We can thank people like this who do not have properly trained and controlled dog
Once my sister was waiting at a red light, her passenger door was not locked and her Doberman was laying on the sit beside her. A man came running over and opened the door and was about to jump inside. The Dobe sat up, but, made no attempt to attack. The man jumped back out and took off. This was a case were the dog was well trained and able to control itself. This Dobe also passed her CGC title easily as she reacted to situations but collected her self easily.
Didn't mean to sound harsh. Just a reality break
Most people work with their dogs and have control of their dogs. You also can prove how much control you have by getting your dog CGC titled to show that it can tolerate these situations. It takes socialization etc. When you have breeds that have the potential to attack then you take more care and either avoid situations or you work with the dog to desensitize it to these situations.
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lol a pit mix who in the hell has a pit mix. The guy was not upset about the ordeal as I asked over and over again if he was alright and told him I was sorry and he flat out said no no don't be sorry it was my fault. Must be because Im cute He knew he scared me because I screamed.
Also that path is a designated dog path. The path for bikes and runners is about ten feet to my right so no its not a priveliege for us to be on that path it is our right. Those paths are there for people who own dogs not for people to run on. They have another path designated for that. However, we encounter runners on those paths all the time but they never come running at us out of the brush. He wasn't even on a path. Thats what I think scared me the most. I also don't really trust that who statistics of who gets raped. What if he h ad been out there drinking it up or worse doing some kind of drugs and just decided he wanted me and was going to do whatever he wanted to get to me. Statistics are just that statistics there is always the exception to the rule.
Either way I will not stop walking my dog on our designated dog path. Many of our playmates are out there on that path (people and dogs alike) That is what it is for.
Don't get me wrong. I can see your points and trust me I was scared after it happened BUT it is nice to know that my dog will save me from someone with ill intent. My dog is not out of control and reckless. U are trying to make it sound like my dog just takes after people daily and bites anyone that crosses his path and you couldn't be farther from the truth. Like I said a hundred times over. Teddy does not take after anyone that happens to be jogging by like you are implying. TEddy went after him because I screamed and I was frightened. Please don't bring the pit bull ban into this and try to make it seem like I am perpetuating the stereotype of the breed. Teddy has NO pitbull in him. Doesn't look AT ALL pitbull. That guy knew he wasn't a pitbull and said he was a good looking lab. Not everyone is a complete moron and assumes every dog is a pitbull. Stop using that as an excuse.
Also we don't often practice threatening situations as I have never been in many because I was always with my husband. i don't enjoy walking my dog alone but I have to right now because my husband isn't here. Teddy has been out of character with all the moving and chaos going on around the home. Not having "dad" here to protect me means he has to assume that responsibility (to him). Teddy never barks but now if he hears someone too close to our door he will let out one BIG bark to let them know he is in here and he knows they are out there. That is out of character for him. You have to realize also that his world has been turned totally upside down. Do not assume that my dog does not listen and is out of control.
He knew he scared me because I screamed.Also that path is a designated dog path. The path for bikes and runners is about ten feet to my right so no its not a priveliege for us to be on that path it is our right. Those paths are there for people who own dogs not for people to run on. They have another path designated for that. However, we encounter runners on those paths all the time but they never come running at us out of the brush. He wasn't even on a path. Thats what I think scared me the most. I also don't really trust that who statistics of who gets raped. What if he h ad been out there drinking it up or worse doing some kind of drugs and just decided he wanted me and was going to do whatever he wanted to get to me. Statistics are just that statistics there is always the exception to the rule.
Either way I will not stop walking my dog on our designated dog path. Many of our playmates are out there on that path (people and dogs alike) That is what it is for.
Don't get me wrong. I can see your points and trust me I was scared after it happened BUT it is nice to know that my dog will save me from someone with ill intent. My dog is not out of control and reckless. U are trying to make it sound like my dog just takes after people daily and bites anyone that crosses his path and you couldn't be farther from the truth. Like I said a hundred times over. Teddy does not take after anyone that happens to be jogging by like you are implying. TEddy went after him because I screamed and I was frightened. Please don't bring the pit bull ban into this and try to make it seem like I am perpetuating the stereotype of the breed. Teddy has NO pitbull in him. Doesn't look AT ALL pitbull. That guy knew he wasn't a pitbull and said he was a good looking lab. Not everyone is a complete moron and assumes every dog is a pitbull. Stop using that as an excuse.
Also we don't often practice threatening situations as I have never been in many because I was always with my husband. i don't enjoy walking my dog alone but I have to right now because my husband isn't here. Teddy has been out of character with all the moving and chaos going on around the home. Not having "dad" here to protect me means he has to assume that responsibility (to him). Teddy never barks but now if he hears someone too close to our door he will let out one BIG bark to let them know he is in here and he knows they are out there. That is out of character for him. You have to realize also that his world has been turned totally upside down. Do not assume that my dog does not listen and is out of control.
014509Bo said:
Any thing that resembles a pitbull is blamed. If your dog has a short coat, squarish type head. Then people will assume your dog is a pitbull. it happens all the time.
it happens all the time.
My dog doesn't have a squarish type head. He has a long pointy nose and big floppy ears. Nothing squarish about it. EVERYONE thinks he is a lab. well he is half lab. but he has a very skinny head
014509Bo said:
Most people work with their dogs and have control of their dogs. You also can prove how much control you have by getting your dog CGC titled to show that it can tolerate these situations. It takes socialization etc. When you have breeds that have the potential to attack then you take more care and either avoid situations or you work with the dog to desensitize it to these situations.
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