I would have to disagree, The dog should not have reacted like that in the first place. What if you were the person jogging by and you failed to hear the owner cause you werent paying attention, and the dog latched on and layed in a couple hundred stiches. I wouldnt be to impressed, and certainly would not respect the reaction
I know now that Teddy will protect me
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You have to remember though that not all joggers are like that and some dont even notice other people when jogging, and when it comes down to it the uncontrolled dog in the end is the instigator. people should be able to jog without the worry that some dog may try to take their head off if they pass by beside somebody else with a dog.
Let's look at it from a legal standpoint:
The incident was in a public area. The jogger did not threaten/attack the person or dog. The dog acted aggressively.
Had Teddy's bite connected, legally Teddy and his owner would be in a lot of trouble. And even though the bite either missed or was made with restraint on the dog's part, that jogger still could have filed a complaint with animal control. To be blunt, Teddy got off lucky.
I'm not saying Teddy is a mean dog, or that protectiveness is a bad thing. I'm just saying there's a lot of potential for trouble unless he learns how to listen, or learns how to better tell friend from foe.
The incident was in a public area. The jogger did not threaten/attack the person or dog. The dog acted aggressively.
Had Teddy's bite connected, legally Teddy and his owner would be in a lot of trouble. And even though the bite either missed or was made with restraint on the dog's part, that jogger still could have filed a complaint with animal control. To be blunt, Teddy got off lucky.
I'm not saying Teddy is a mean dog, or that protectiveness is a bad thing. I'm just saying there's a lot of potential for trouble unless he learns how to listen, or learns how to better tell friend from foe.
In florida, If a person told a guy to stay away, and they feel threatened and the guy still kept coming at them, they are by law allowed to use deadly force...
So if he naturally startled her and the dog, and then kept coming, she would be in right even if her dog mauled him.
Now if she didnt say anything and he just bit him while he was running by... but thats different.
So if he naturally startled her and the dog, and then kept coming, she would be in right even if her dog mauled him.
Now if she didnt say anything and he just bit him while he was running by... but thats different.
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He startled the dog - the dog didn't know he was there, how do you expect the dog to react? I know my dogs would be surprised and on guard. The jogger should have stopped. Sparks told him to wait for a second or two so she could get Teddy close to her. He kept coming. He should've realized that when you startle a dog, that dog is not being it's usual, happy, friendly dog. It's being a protection dog.
i agree - the responsibility ultimately lies with the dog owner to control their dog and be aware of things. no matter what the jogger did, the dog should not have been able to jump up and even make ANY contact.
i do not think this is a "restrain" - the dog ATTEMPTED to bite and only got sweater. I cannot say that failure to make contact when the dog ATTEMPTED to do so, is a better thing.
i think youd have a real hard time convincing someone you had justifcation for use of deadly force towards a jogger when you were out with your dog in broad daylight and your dog was startled. if you think that would hold up in court, more power to you.
it doesnt matter if the dog was startled - the dog should not have been allowed to make contact. the law, and people, shouldnt make excuses fo rstartled dogs. i would expect a dog would not attempt to bite a jogger just because it was startled - and if she had enough time to ask the jogger repeatedly to stop, it should have been enough time for the dog to recover.
my point is, why are we praising a dog that potentially startled and attempted to bite an innocent jogger? this isn't a "oh my dog is protecting me" - this was not a dangerous situation. if the dog perceived it as such, i believe that it was incorrect to do so, and the dog needs to learn more discrimination, and the owner needs to be in more control. when i hear joggers or bikers coming when on a walk, or other dogs, my dog comes to me immediately and sits and allows the person/biker/dog to pass.
i do not think this is a "restrain" - the dog ATTEMPTED to bite and only got sweater. I cannot say that failure to make contact when the dog ATTEMPTED to do so, is a better thing.
i think youd have a real hard time convincing someone you had justifcation for use of deadly force towards a jogger when you were out with your dog in broad daylight and your dog was startled. if you think that would hold up in court, more power to you.
it doesnt matter if the dog was startled - the dog should not have been allowed to make contact. the law, and people, shouldnt make excuses fo rstartled dogs. i would expect a dog would not attempt to bite a jogger just because it was startled - and if she had enough time to ask the jogger repeatedly to stop, it should have been enough time for the dog to recover.
my point is, why are we praising a dog that potentially startled and attempted to bite an innocent jogger? this isn't a "oh my dog is protecting me" - this was not a dangerous situation. if the dog perceived it as such, i believe that it was incorrect to do so, and the dog needs to learn more discrimination, and the owner needs to be in more control. when i hear joggers or bikers coming when on a walk, or other dogs, my dog comes to me immediately and sits and allows the person/biker/dog to pass.
I really don't have a comment on whether this was right or wrong.
I just wanted to make a comment to Sparks.
Coonhound breeds can be very protective. Do you know what kind?
My brother had an English Bluetick, I would dogsit for a couple weeks at a time while he was away working. The dog just loved me and kids, and my dogs too.
But I had to be very careful about other people including my husband (boyfriend at the time).
She was standing in the back of my truck (parked) and my husband walked up to the truck to put a lead on her and she bit him. She was protecting the truck, they love to guard.
Another time my brother had her in the dog box(made for coonhunting) in the back of his truck and some drunk walked up to the truck and asked my brother if he could pet her, my brother said no, she bites. The man just laughed and said she doesn't look like she bites, she is too pretty. My brother said she does bite, and he stuck his hand in the box anyway, and pulled out a nasty bloody bite. What a dumba**
This dog was only protective while in the truck or in her own territory.
But just giving you a heads up, It is kind of natural for coonhounds to be protective.
But they usually do good with other dogs, because they have to be to hunt along side them.
Coonhounds are very tough and have the stamina for just about anything.
I would definately feel safe with one of the like in my house.
I have heard first hand stories of coon/bear dogs flesh torn apart by a bear, and then they were stapled up roadside, and never even flinched. They are tough.
Not that I agree with this.......just trying to get a point across, and to be careful for stupid people cause your dog is capable of damage and will only suffer, if he attacks these stupid people.
Best Wishes.
And feel safe.
I just wanted to make a comment to Sparks.
Coonhound breeds can be very protective. Do you know what kind?
My brother had an English Bluetick, I would dogsit for a couple weeks at a time while he was away working. The dog just loved me and kids, and my dogs too.
But I had to be very careful about other people including my husband (boyfriend at the time).
She was standing in the back of my truck (parked) and my husband walked up to the truck to put a lead on her and she bit him. She was protecting the truck, they love to guard.
Another time my brother had her in the dog box(made for coonhunting) in the back of his truck and some drunk walked up to the truck and asked my brother if he could pet her, my brother said no, she bites. The man just laughed and said she doesn't look like she bites, she is too pretty. My brother said she does bite, and he stuck his hand in the box anyway, and pulled out a nasty bloody bite. What a dumba**
This dog was only protective while in the truck or in her own territory.
But just giving you a heads up, It is kind of natural for coonhounds to be protective.
But they usually do good with other dogs, because they have to be to hunt along side them.
Coonhounds are very tough and have the stamina for just about anything.
I would definately feel safe with one of the like in my house.
I have heard first hand stories of coon/bear dogs flesh torn apart by a bear, and then they were stapled up roadside, and never even flinched. They are tough.
Not that I agree with this.......just trying to get a point across, and to be careful for stupid people cause your dog is capable of damage and will only suffer, if he attacks these stupid people.
Best Wishes.
And feel safe.
The jogger didn't stop. I'm sure Rocky would at least raise a few hairs if he saw somebody "charging" at me.
And the fact that SHE was scared also probably affected Teddy- which is why he went into attack mode.
I don't think a little boy running towards her would make the her as scared but then again, no kid should just start sprinting full-speed towards a dog.
And the fact that SHE was scared also probably affected Teddy- which is why he went into attack mode.
I don't think a little boy running towards her would make the her as scared but then again, no kid should just start sprinting full-speed towards a dog.
First of all I would like to make it very clear that Teddy comes in contact with runners on a daily basis and does not take after them ever. He is also around running children on a regular basis and does not take after them. HOWEVER, this person came out of nowhere. We did not see him nor hear him until he was RIGHT in front of us. Teddy does not take after just anyone. Teddy will stop doing things when I tell him but this time he sensed a real threat in this person and the guy scared the hell out of me and I am sure Teddy sensed that. again I repeat teddy does NOT take after anyone who is running or comes near me.
Also we are in a new home in a new city in a NEW country for him. He has been nothing but friendly with everyone he has come in contact with except for this person. Teddy did not rush to attack this person as you have ASSUMED.(remember what they say about assuming but I guess assuming just makes the flaming much more fun) Teddy has always stopped when I have told him to but this guy was very persistant. If Teddy wanted to hurt this guy he would have. He has BIG fangs and if he wanted to sink his teeth into the guys arm he would have BUT he didn't. He was sure to grab onto a loose part of his sweater so he could restrain him NOT BITE him. Once he had the guys sweater I told him to "down" and he did. BUT again thank you for assuming that I am irresponsible with my dog. GOOD JOB
Julie: Teddy is part red bone coonhound. Teddy is not very protective of much except for me and that really only started when we had to move away from the states and I was living alone. People come in here all the time and he never has a problem with it. he greets everyone with a vigorously wagging tail. That is why up to this point I was afraid that if something were happening to me that he wouldn't do anything. Now I know differently and I am not afraid to go for walks with him alone. he looks all coonhound but has more of a lab personality.
Also we are in a new home in a new city in a NEW country for him. He has been nothing but friendly with everyone he has come in contact with except for this person. Teddy did not rush to attack this person as you have ASSUMED.(remember what they say about assuming but I guess assuming just makes the flaming much more fun
) Teddy has always stopped when I have told him to but this guy was very persistant. If Teddy wanted to hurt this guy he would have. He has BIG fangs and if he wanted to sink his teeth into the guys arm he would have BUT he didn't. He was sure to grab onto a loose part of his sweater so he could restrain him NOT BITE him. Once he had the guys sweater I told him to "down" and he did. BUT again thank you for assuming that I am irresponsible with my dog. GOOD JOB Julie: Teddy is part red bone coonhound. Teddy is not very protective of much except for me and that really only started when we had to move away from the states and I was living alone. People come in here all the time and he never has a problem with it. he greets everyone with a vigorously wagging tail. That is why up to this point I was afraid that if something were happening to me that he wouldn't do anything. Now I know differently and I am not afraid to go for walks with him alone. he looks all coonhound but has more of a lab personality.
GSG oh my god he was attacked? is he alright? I am so sorry Thank you for trying to help me out though :d I appreciate it. People just see something to flame about and don't care to hear the facts of the situation. because you know he must attack ALL runners if he restrained this one HAHA just sillyness.
Sirius I have to tell you how CUTE your baby is hehe I love that face.
Thank you for trying to help me out though :d I appreciate it. People just see something to flame about and don't care to hear the facts of the situation. because you know he must attack ALL runners if he restrained this one HAHA just sillyness. Sirius I have to tell you how CUTE your baby is hehe I love that face.
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