I know now that Teddy will protect me

[Ash47]

Bottom line, he did what he should have done and dont let anyone tell you otherwise!

Thank you Orion. You are exactly right.

 

[andy.]

I wonder what you guys would be saying if sparks husband had come on here some time down the line and had told you guys that he wife was raped/murded while teddy just sat by... I suppose you would be happy that he "behaved" himself so well, I mean that could of been the next step

Look at it from the dogs point of view
**Owner in obvious distress
**Stranger running straight towards her
**Owner shouting at the man to stop – him probably seeing at as pack member barking at stranger
**Stranger carries on running towards them
**Try to protect owner by blocking the stranger, MULTIPLE TIMES
**Stranger keeps on coming
**Restrain the man just with a piece of clothing

some of you are making it sound like a nice friendly jogger comes by and a vicious dog mauls him for no reason!

So maybe the steps he should have followed was
**See owner in obvious distress
**Go and sit by owner
**Watch as she is mugged/raped


I’m so sorry that you have had to listen to insults toward you and your dog sparks, teddy is a real hero!

Bottom line, he did what he should have done and dont let anyone tell you otherwise!

Orion has summed it up in a sentence!

 

[sparks19]

Well thank you all for such nice comments and coming to my defense. Although is it right for you to come to my defense if this is not really a situation where I am being verbally attacked even if seems obvious to everyone else that thats exactly what this situation is lol YOU are all wreckless dangers to society i love it hahaha
Thanks guys

I have to say for Teddy only being one year old and having moved three times in 2 1/2 months I think he handled that situation superbly. Also I never once said I rewarded him for his behaviour. If I had my wits about me I probably would have lol but I was anxious and my adrenaline was through the roof lol. I put him on a short leash until we got home just incase we had to high tail it out of there at some point I wouldn't have to worry about tripping over the line lol.

 

[RD]

Dear LORD. Every time I try to post on this thread it doesn't go through.... So I guess I have to hurry.

Basically, I agree with Orion. (*GASP* ) I think Teddy did what he thought was right. If he had been vicious and out-of-control and -wanted- to hurt the person, I think he would have done so.
Also consider that dogs can be excellent judges of character. I truly do think that they can sense anger and bad intentions. I was going to share my rather recent experience with my BC who I thought wouldn't -ever- stick up for me, but it's sort of long and I want this post to go through, dang it! LOL.

You are a good dog owner, don't sweat it. I believe you when you say that Teddy is good around other joggers and that leads me to believe that there was something suspicious about this one. It doesn't sound like he is out of control, it sounds like he is a young, drivey, inexperienced dog who is just graduating from a puppy state of mind (you protect me) to one of a mature dog (I'll protect you)

 

[BigDog2191]

I agree with Orion and Puckstop.

It sounds like Teddy made a great decision.

The jogger was a complete moron. She asked him SEVERAL times to "please, hold on."

Most people have a reason for doing so- in this case, she knew Teddy was angry and she wanted to gain control.

I'm sure Teddy sensed something since he's used to joggers and the like everyday and this particular one just showed up out of nowhere. For all we know, it could've been a rapist who wanted to make himself look like a jogger.

10 feet away from the joggers path, showed up out of nowhere, and Teddy's behavior. I'd bet my bottom dollar he was up to SOMETHING.

I think I may consider a Redbone Coonhound as a future dog.

 

[CanadianK9]

If she had enough time to repeatedly warn him and he didnt notice, why didnt she just move over for a second and avoid the whole thing.

 

[BigDog2191]

I wanna see you try and move my German shepherd when he's in protection mode.

 

[CanadianK9]

not hard, if you cant control the animal you shouldnt have gotten it in the first place

 

[BigDog2191]

I can control my dog but my dog isn't a robot, maybe your dog is, but he has a mind of his own.

If he senses danger, he's going to do everything in his power to protect me. And in this case, that may have been how Teddy felt.

Why exactly do you believe the guy shouldn't have moved? He wasn't even on his path.

 

[CanadianK9]

They do have their own minds and they do understand things. The dog doesnt have to be a robot to be controlled, You just have to have the right knowledge and sometimes enough physical power to restrain it. Same idea that you dont leash a St.benard to a 4 year old.

 

[Julie]

If she had enough time to repeatedly warn him and he didnt notice, why didnt she just move over for a second and avoid the whole thing.

I would just like to add, when a situation arises things don't always happen the way you would like them to, or in a text book fashion.
None of us were there except Sparks and her dog. This "odd ball jogging person" could have been a stalker, rapest, or worse. Why are you so intent on trying to prove that Sparks didn't do the right thing? I am just happy that Sparks made it home to share her experience with those that appreciate it.
You really never know, if Teddy wouldn't have been there, would Sparks be sharing with us now?

CanadianK9, how wide was the path they were on?
Was their a steep bank or cliff on one side?
Was there thick brush on the other side?
You seem like you know exactly how the situation played out, but you really don't know the circumstances of the whole situation.
Maybe Sparks had no where to get Teddy off of the path, or maybe it happened to quickly to do anything but tell the guy to "get back, wait a minute".

I am also curious to the kind of dogs you own? and how many?
Who trained them?
Are they certified in anything in particular?
You keep saying they are so well trained, I hope you can give us some insight to your current dogs and whom trained them??

You keep saying how great they are but you don't ever give any information on your own. While you criticize us that like to talk about our own dogs.

 

[BigDog2191]

I am also curious to the kind of dogs you own? and how many?
Who trained them?
Are they certified in anything in particular?
You keep saying they are so well trained, I hope you can give us some insight to your current dogs and whom trained them?

I'd like to know this as well...

 

[RoxyBoxer]

hell my dog has had NO proffesional training. she chases birds and buterflies and eats bugs and barks at cats...oh wait she is a dog. if i ever yelled at someone she would growl and bark alone with me...i mean dont we raise them that we are number one alpha female/male? follow the leader pack instinct no matter if youve got a 70 pound lab or a 10 pound toy dog?? If anyone came running at me she would try to protect me how they know best. they dont know how to stand up and say excuse me sir but youve upset my leader and id like to have a word with you over tea??? and no matter how much you train your dog they will always protect you. if not get rid of the robot and get a real one. it uspsets me because i have this speech with alot of people who tell me to train my dog about barking. if you come to my house at 10 30 at night and knock on my door well dont be surprised if you get a face full of angry dog in the window.

 

[Puckstop31]

If she had enough time to repeatedly warn him and he didnt notice, why didnt she just move over for a second and avoid the whole thing.

Because in the spot they were, they had nowhere to go. It is at the edge of a little clearing. The path goes into the clearing but Tanya and Teddy were at the edge of it and the guy came out of the brush.

She literally had nowhere to go except to move to the side of a narrow path.

*** ADDED BY EDIT ***

FWIW - After further discussion, this guy was not wearing gear for running. United hightops with baggy basketball pants and a big baggy hooded sweatshirt? I think the only place this guy was jogging was in the trip/high he was on....

 

[RD]

CanadianK9, have you ever been in a sitaution where someone was frightening you? If you were fearing for your life and your dog was trying to help you, would you honestly worry if your dog was not on its best behavior?
So she wasn't able to call him off. He's a PUPPY, he's going to make mistakes. I don't know a single 1-year-old dog, especially not a 1-year-old hound, that gives perfect responses to difficult commands like "leave it" under intense distractions like that.

Bottom line is that you weren't there, you don't know what happened and you're in no position to judge whether or not Sparks or her dog were doing the right thing. Lay off! I can understand your point completely but I can also understand where Sparks is coming from and I think her dog was a -very- good boy in trying to protect her.

 

[sparks19]

If something similar happened my case it would be MY fault for not getting the proper supervision and/or training for it. You seem to be under the false impression that I blame something on someone, in fact if you look its actually quite the opposite, I am not blaming anyone for anything if you read the posts correctly.

Just for the record the only thing I had said and tried to point out is that

The dog is being protectional in a situation that is not harmful, I am sure they were startled but that is not a reason to go attacking people.

I never stated that it was eithers fault, nor mine because I had nothing to do with the incident, I actually gave her advice on what to do if she chooses to condone the behaviour; which is seek proper instruction and training on the subject of protectional issues.

I never said that I was worse or better in any form, In fact it was actually brought up by somebody else what would happen with my dog in the same instance, I told them that she would react differently because I seeked proper training and instruction there was no claim of being better at all.

You seem to be convinced that I think that she is bad owner, or that its a bad dog, Actually I think quite differently, I think that you 2 are good owners and that your dog is a good dog, I just mentioned that if the behaviour is going to exibited and be rewarded for such protectional behaviours that the dog and the owner know how to handle it.

It is because I want to see you guys happy and healthy with your dog that I relay the advice of seeking proper instruction, The last thing we would want to hear is that you had to be fined or that Teddy had to be quarentined or destroyed because of a misconception.

So rather than immediately taking the defensive and calling us arrogant and some of the other comments made, try to understand that not everyone that is replying is trying to put you down a peg or calling you bad in any way. Nobody ever wants to see something terrible happen because of a mistake or misunderstanding.

Whether you take the advice or not is your choice. I just dont want to see a nice person and fellow dog enthusiasts be taken action to for something that they did not mean to happen or that happened because they failed to inquire about what to do.

However you feel is how you feel,and nothing is going to change that, But I sincerely hope that you make a correct choice in at least understanding the behaviours and applying an approprite reaction to it.

I am sorry that you think we are trying to insult you, but that is truly NOT the case.

And with that I say good-day to you and hope you the best.

HAHAHA what kind of medication are you on. You either have a very active imagination or a short memory. I can recall many times where you have said my dog is out of control and that I have not trained him properly for such situations. How your dogs just KNOW and are so well trained they wouldn't flinch unless you quacked like a duck or some stupid thing. Then you turn around and say you never said any such thing. HELLO?! are we still talking about the same conversation? Because you are way out there.

I just have to say that I highly doubt that at one year old your dogs were perfectly trained and NEVER EVER ignored a command in any situation ever. I would like to see that.

You suggest things to me like I just had all the freedom in the world back there to just move wherever I pleased. How did you know I could walk through solid objects. In case you didn't see it the first 20 times but we were in the woods. You know the woods.... they have trees and bushes and would you believe its right next to the river. Well I guess next time I see a jogger I better just jump right in that river so they won't have to stop moving for 5 **** seconds. You're are such a genius.

 

[CanadianK9]

What kind: Goldens Retrievers, Shepards, Malenois, Labradors (various breeds)

What skill level: Assistance, Pet, Police K9, Theropy and S & R

Who trained them: Myself and Co-Trainers

Why I do it: Because I believe in strengthening the bond between human and dog and not only helping people with dogs but them also helping themselves with dogs

When I started: approximately 1997

What I have recently attended: Numerous Lectures, Camps, Training classes, Television (occasionally)

Home country: Canada

 

[Julie]

Do you own any dogs now???

 

[sparks19]

LMFAO I love how she was so upfront and confident and willing to tell me how dangerous my dog is going to be and how out of control he is but once others question her views she backs off and says I never said those things. if you truly believed what you were saying you wouldn't have backed down even a little. That tells me that you are just trying to stir the pot and that you aren't happy unless you are b!tching.

 

[CanadianK9]

Have I ever been in a similar situation, yes

was I scared, no, I was alerted but not scared

would I be confrontal or aggressive, no, I would avoid the situation if possible and if not I would make sure my dog and myself were not at all instigating anything.

Was my dog scared, no, however she was alerted but did not act at all aggressive.

Would she get aggressive if I was in serious enough distress, yes, but she knows that not everone is out to get me.

And lastly would I trust my dogs judgement, yes, but you have to remember sometimes a dog looks to you for things.


And just out of curiosity, Why would a jogger in jeans and a hoody be odd?, not everyone wears a standard wardrobe while jogging. I dont think that it is fair to claim just because someone is wearing jeans and a hoody that they are some mugger or out to get you.