Fertility treatments, what are your opinions?

[Dogdragoness]

Umm.. I'm an atheist lol and am certainly not insulted and the reason someone asked if you were was because we were discussing religious reasons you might oppose.
Yet, why do I even bother.. you do this all the time. Make an SWOOPING insulting statements like "I wish fertility treatments were never invented"
and then when people dare to say anything or point out the obvious reasons it is insulting.. you freak out over being attacked and backtrack and turn it into an issue over people attacking you for not wanting kids.

A FEW people in this thread have spoken up who don't want children. That is not the issue. Nobody cares if you don't want kids I assure you. Frankly, I'm glad you don't want them.

But yea, it is a two way street. You want people to respect the fact that you don't want children.. respect the right of other people to want and have them.

To wish that they had "never come up with fertility treatment" and again saying you never want kids and never want to be pregnant is INSULTING to those who do want kids and had to pursue those avenues. To say you wish these treatments never existed is to say you wish their children conceived through these methods didn't exist either. How is that NOT insulting? I don't care if you like kids or not. ''

and frankly I never would've guessed you were a day above 16 age wise. From the spelling to the seemingly total lack of tact or understanding of the feelings of others...you do come off like a bratty teenager.

Uh I'm typing on a PHONE keyboard most of the time thumbs + small letters = typos sometimes plus the auto correct puts in weird things sometimes (I have an iPhone so it does it automatically).

I didn't back track, it's not my fault ppl are too sensitive & take everything I say into a personal attack on them, if they think that much of themselves to think that's on them.

I have seen the way they treat ppl around here, they are like wolves ... The difference is I'm not intimidated by them, but I will snark back if someone snarks at me for making an opinion. No I think drs are too quick to push fwd with fertility treatments without making sure couples know what they are getting in to, I mean those who want to change genders have to go thru yrs of therapy & whatever, why shouldn't it be the sAme with fertility treatment? Some of which can have serious effects.

 

[Fran101]

I get very uncomfortable when people say "I don't like _________ so it shouldn't exist."

DogDragoness, may I ask how old you are? More because I am curious about people and their antikid mentality, as opposed to thinking your stance is immature.

Agreed.

 

[Dogdragoness]

I get very uncomfortable when people say "I don't like _________ so it shouldn't exist."

DogDragoness, may I ask how old you are? More because I am curious about people and their antikid mentality, as opposed to thinking your stance is immature.

30, I'm 30 ... Folks here know I am of age (at least, I have talked about having a fiancée here before ... Hard to do if you are 12 :/ ... Who's the immature one now?) I don't call anyone out or talk about them behind their back like a few ppl do here, & I do Llow myself to be bothered by these things & I make sure they know it .

I do llow ppl to do with their own bodies that they want ... The point of this thread is how far is TO far to TAKE fertility treatments? Which is what I meant by "I don't like them & I wish they didn't exist". I just think they are TOO available like plastic surgery (which I also don't agree with when taken to the extreme but that's another story too).

 

[AllieMackie]

Fertility treatments like anything else medical should have counseling shut what happens if you have 10 kids from it or whatever.

You keep referring to people who have 6, 8, 10 kids from fertility treatments, which leads me to believe that you're simply sensationalizing reality television shows, and fail to realize that fertility treatments help normal couples conceive and give birth. All over the world, this happens. Daily. Only the sellouts with the multiples will make television. Jon & Kate plus 8, anyone? Octomom? News flash: Real life isn't like that.

Readily available? Sure, if you have about $9,000 per treatment to spend.

(As an aside, this thread keeps reminding me of this: a local radio station had an extremely controversial contest to Win A Baby. When they narrowed the five finalists, then surprised them by telling them they ALL had won, it was extremely emotional for the entire city, despite frowning on the contest. It was amplified recently when one couple announced the successful pregnancy and birth of their new baby.)

 

[Beanie]

Dogdragoness, do you personally know anybody - not somebody you've seen on TV - who has had fertility treatments? I'm not sure where you're coming up with this idea that doctor's just knee jerk and throw somebody on in vitro in a snap. Do you know the details of how in vitro works? Of how much it costs? Of WHY it can produce multiples?


ETA: I think when people talk about your spelling, they're referring to your constant run on sentences and when you use words like "ppl" instead of people. I use proper grammar and capitalization in my text messages... typing on a phone isn't much of an excuse.

 

[sassafras]

The point of this thread is how far is TO far to TAKE fertility treatments? Which is what I meant by "I don't like them & I wish they didn't exist".

Reading this, can you understand why people misunderstand the things you say? "I don't like them and wish they didn't exist" does not mean "How far to take fertility treatments?" Those are two completely different statements. In all sincerity, if you were more precise with the wording of your opinions in the first place, people would understand what you mean better instead of reacting to what you say.

 

[Airn]

Uh I'm typing on a PHONE keyboard most of the time thumbs + small letters = typos sometimes plus the auto correct puts in weird things sometimes (I have an iPhone so it does it automatically).

You're blaming an iPhone for your 'typos'?

(Uses an iPhone on this forum often.)

 

[Dogdragoness]

I'm not saying multiples is the norm (I researched articles, not from reality TV I don't even watch those shows) all I'm saying is there should be more guidelines on the process of fertility treatment not just sending ppl off unbridled to get it without knowing the risks.

 

[Taqroy]

Dogdragoness, do you personally know anybody - not somebody you've seen on TV - who has had fertility treatments? I'm not sure where you're coming up with this idea that doctor's just knee jerk and throw somebody on in vitro in a snap. Do you know the details of how in vitro works? Of how much it costs? Of WHY it can produce multiples?

Not to mention the fact that fertility treatments can take YEARS. And most doctors start with extensive testing then move on to the least invasive option (which I believe is IUI). And it usually requires giving yourself injections and having multiple doctor visits where they stick you with needles and poke things at your ladybits. Its not something you do without being committed to having a kid.

 

[Fran101]

Uh I'm typing on a PHONE keyboard most of the time thumbs + small letters = typos sometimes plus the auto correct puts in weird things sometimes (I have an iPhone so it does it automatically).

I didn't back track, it's not my fault ppl are too sensitive & take everything I say into a personal attack on them, if they think that much of themselves to think that's on them.

I have seen the way they treat ppl around here, they are like wolves ... The difference is I'm not intimidated by them, but I will snark back if someone snarks at me for making an opinion. No I think drs are too quick to push fwd with fertility treatments without making sure couples know what they are getting in to, I mean those who want to change genders have to go thru yrs of therapy & whatever, why shouldn't it be the sAme with fertility treatment? Some of which can have serious effects.

Are you seriously comparing sex reassignment surgery to treatment to help couples conceive a child?...

You do realize that people can get pregnant from sex right? At home.. without doctors. It isn't a life changing surgical procedure that changes your anatomy irreversibly.

The reason people get years of therapy/transition for gender reassignment is because the hormone process and social process (changing names, gender roles, legal sex designation, and changing of government documents takes TIME) the surgery is also very invasive and non-reversible.

How would it be fair to expect those who want a child to go through years of therapy when people who have kids naturally don't? Are you suggesting we shouldn't trust people to know when they are ready for a child? What's next.. an aptitude test? or would you like to personally approve each couple?

Having a child =/= getting a sex change. Not sure why it's so confusing. Having a child is life changing.. but it isn't a non-reversible surgery that changes your anatomy and gender role in society. And it's not like some people can change their sex at will and other can't.. the reason it is so heavily processed is because it is an elective procedure that you MUST make the choice to begin.
People have babies without wanting or planning them all the time.

And you do realize you can't just walk into a doctors office and get fertility treatments right? There are initial check-ups, both people are checked and samples are taken and otherwise tested,long discussions with your doctors and research processes over which route to take, and MANY doctors require couples therapy for both parties. and this is just the process BEFORE collection or treatment even begins.

It is an expensive and long process.. I don't know where you get the idea that people take it lightly.
There are potential side-effects to all medical treatments. Doctors discuss those with patients, who then make the informed choice for themselves.

 

[AllieMackie]

I'm not saying multiples is the norm (I researched articles, not from reality TV I don't even watch those shows) all I'm saying is there should be more guidelines on the process of fertility treatment not just sending ppl off unbridled to get it without knowing the risks.

Why do you think this is how it happens?

 

[Laurelin]

Someone mentioned that their sister (?) has PCOS (sorry, don't know how to multi-quote people) and I have that as well. It honestly hurts when people say things like "I would hug a doctor if he told me I was infertile." You don't realize how much you're taking for granted. I don't know when I want to have kids. Finding out that you might not be able to have children is.... an experience. Even if you don't 'want' kids, to know that that option has quite possibly been taken from you is devastating. Without modern medicine, I probably wouldn't have a chance to have a kid. (Modern medicine also helps with my PCOS, obviously.)

Yes that. I think this is a very different subject if you are able to conceive naturally versus those who have been told they probably can't. I don't know if I want kids at all and yet it is still hard to think that my body may be incapable of ever having them if I do decide I want them. Finding out I had PCOS was absolutely very devastating. Not just the fertility issues but everything else that goes along with it. It's kind of.... annoying? to hear people say they'd be happy to be infertile. I'd gladly give away my PCOS symptoms to you.

And no, I'm not saying that everyone that has fertility problems will be sad they can't have kids naturally but many many are devastated.

 

[Beanie]

Not to mention the fact that fertility treatments can take YEARS. And most doctors start with extensive testing then move on to the least invasive option (which I believe is IUI). And it usually requires giving yourself injections and having multiple doctor visits where they stick you with needles and poke things at your ladybits. Its not something you do without being committed to having a kid.

Indeed. It's also EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE and many insurance plans don't cover one lick of it.



I'm going to take your saying that you "read articles" as you saying no, you do not personally know anybody who has ever gone through fertility treatments.

As somebody who has close friends who have gone through it - and as somebody who's mother went through it (by the way, my sister and I were conceived 100% naturally AFTER they gave up on the fertility treatments) - your assumptions about how doctors and patients handle fertility treatments are entirely incorrect.

 

[Fran101]

I'm not saying multiples is the norm (I researched articles, not from reality TV I don't even watch those shows) all I'm saying is there should be more guidelines on the process of fertility treatment not just sending ppl off unbridled to get it without knowing the risks.

People DO know the risks. Nobody just runs off the doctor and gets these treatments without knowing them. You can't just walk into a clinic, sit down and get some fertility drugs.

The process takes a LONG TIME.. it a long, expensive process with plenty of research and testing and plenty of doctors all informing you of the risks and options before you even begin.
The process to even get sample collected is a long one.. forget implantation!

Nobody gets fertility treatment without wanting children and knowing the risks of these procedures.

Not to mention the cost of it all

 

[Shai]

What all I said was that I really don't like it & I with they hasn't come up with it ... & I don't ... Because I think it's very over used & abused by drs in some cases: can't get pregnant? That's ok! We have treatments for that! I just think that ppl are waaaay to blinded by their own desires to have kids to think it they in some cases.

Fertility treatments like anything else medical should have counseling shut what happens if you have 10 kids from it or whatever.

Hopefully some day you will re-read the above and realize why folks have a hard time believing you are out of middle school. And I don't mean that as name-calling or anything else. Honest sentiment.

In order to get the kind of respect for women you seem to want.. it means respecting ALL WOMEN and believing they have the right to make the choices they have chosen.
Women who want kids, stay at home moms, engineers, scientists, teachers, women who breastfeed in public, women you don't agree with..all of them.

To respect women and to give women the right to their bodies means to respect the choices that women make for themselves PERIOD.
It doesn't mean wanting freedom for yourself and your body and then turning around and limiting the freedom of others.

^This. Perfect, and applicable to so many topics.

 

[crazedACD]

I love all the pretty strongly 'don't want children' crowd that is defending other people's rights to have children. Go us .

 

[Southpaw]

My mind can't really get around the fact that anyone would think you just go to the doctor, tell them "hai, I'd like to get pregnant", and then BAM wish granted. It's a long, extensive and expensive process. I don't think anyone would go through it unless they KNEW they REALLY want children.

The technology is there so I can't imagine not giving this choice to people. To tell them "too bad so sad"? Doesn't sound right to me.

I just don't see why a person having a couple kids through IVF is any worse than if they would have conceived naturally? What is the difference to the rest of the world?

 

[Fran27]

I'm not sure why everyone is even wasting time replying to her. She's already shown in the past that she's close minded and disrespectful. Seriously, spend your energy on something else. Is there an ignore feature on these forums?

 

[sparks19]

OP you are so sadly misinformed. It is nearly impossible to take you seriously. You have obviously no clue what you are talking about.

 

[JessLough]

Because people that conceive naturally don't ever use modern mediction throughout that pregnancy to have a healthy baby safely. Not at all.