Fertility treatments, what are your opinions?

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I think BB meant it more like we're passing down infertile genes to our children if we have to use fertility treatments to conceive.
 

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To me it isn't an issue of wanting/not wanting to get pregnant. I will likely never be pregnant in my life lol

It's an issue of showing complete aversion to pregnancy (like ew why would they do that to their bodies OH MY GAH!") and yet continuing to bring it up only to stir things up with your generalizations and harsh opinions.

To say something like "I wish it was never invented" on a forum with many parents (some who probably have had trouble conceiving, tried treatments, considered treatments, had babies through fertility treatments etc..) shows a total and complete lack of tact and kindness.

You do realize by wishing it was never invented it's basically wishing people didn't have their children.
Take a moment and let that really marinate.


I don't care if she wants kids or not.. that is just..awful.
I was thinking along those lines too. I find it pretty insulting, and I don't even have kids.
 
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From a completely biological standpoint, nature "knows" when populations of flora or fauna are getting out of control and enacts measures to attempt to control that population, so I can buy that their body is telling them that they "shouldn't" have a baby. That said... :p ...it's my personal opinion that I would much rather see a child born to a parent or parents who wanted that child so much that they were willing to put that amount of dedication and effort into bringing them into the world, than to see another unwanted product of "natural" teen pregnancy shipped through the system. Of course, spending a fortune and months or years to have a baby is no guarantee that the child is loved and cared for properly just as not all teen pregnancies end in a child that is unloved and uncared for, but when weighing the odds...

I have a much bigger problem with people who have severe, known diseases/deformities that are known to be inheritable (for example, Neurofibromatosis, Cystic Fibrosis, or Schizophrenia just to name a few) having children, but that's another can of worms.
 
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From a completely biological standpoint, nature "knows" when populations of flora or fauna are getting out of control and enacts measures to attempt to control that population, so I can buy that their body is telling them that they "shouldn't" have a baby. That said... :p ...it's my personal opinion that I would much rather see a child born to a parent or parents who wanted that child so much that they were willing to put that amount of dedication and effort into bringing them into the world, than to see another unwanted product of "natural" teen pregnancy shipped through the system.

I have a much bigger problem with people who have severe, known diseases/deformities that are known to be inheritable (for example, Neurofibromatosis, Cystic Fibrosis, or Schizophrenia just to name a few) having children, but that's another can of worms.
Nope.

The only way nature knows we've over populated is when you starve to death. No magic involved.
 

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I have not read the thread but whoa... fertility treatments are between the couple and their doctor. Period. End of story.
 
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I don't know that I... even have an opinion about it. If someone who is not me has the emotional and mental fortitude to research, make decisions, and go ahead and do it and that's how they choose to spend their money, I'm not sure why I even WOULD have an opinion about it.
 

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From a completely biological standpoint, nature "knows" when populations of flora or fauna are getting out of control and enacts measures to attempt to control that population, so I can buy that their body is telling them that they "shouldn't" have a baby.
Seriously, you're saying that nature is telling some of us that we can't have kids, yet let some families who can't afford kids have 8 of them?

That's total crapola.
 

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So you're anti-breast feeding but a-ok with formula, even though that's unnatural? If they didn't come up with formula, you'd be seeing a lot more people breastfeeding. Back in your "good old days" that's how children were fed :rofl1:

I especially love when people are against fertility treatments... until they themselves can't conceive. I knew someone whos wife was like that. She thought fertility treatments were "going against" what was natural, of course, until she found out SHE would need to go on something to help with ovulation.
Personally ... If someone told me I was infertile I would huge them lol.

I'm talking about taking it to the extreme, like anything having 6-8 kids is IMHO not very healthy to me.

I am not against breat feeding ... I am against it in certain places, settings & situations: at the dinner table where ppl are eating, at a formal event etc.

Also never did I say I was pro formula ... I said I was pro using a bottle with breast milk in it for public places (don't understand why more folks don't do that).
 

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Yeah, this.

I don't get it, though. I try to avoid talking about things that repulse me, rather than constantly involving myself in them (other than the Candwich, lol).
Where didninsay it was repulsive? I just asked if you (general you) THINK we should get back to a more natural way of conceiving children or "artificial ways should be explored more like ways of invetro that don't end up with 6-8 babies, things like that.

I find that many of you guys get very catty when someone has differing opinions from yours, I didn't even voice mine: if you go back to my OP no where (to my knowledge) does it say anywhere that I think anything it repulsive, I was merely what you guys thought about it.
 

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Personally ... If someone told me I was infertile I would huge them lol.

I'm talking about taking it to the extreme, like anything having 6-8 kids is IMHO not very healthy to me.

I am not against breat feeding ... I am against it in certain places, settings & situations: at the dinner table where ppl are eating, at a formal event etc.

Also never did I say I was pro formula ... I said I was pro using a bottle with breast milk in it for public places (don't understand why more folks don't do that).
But you didn't say that at first. You asked what people thought about it and then responded that you were completely against it and thought it was wrong, basically. There is difference in saying "I hate this and it shouldn't exist." and "I personally would not do this and believe there should be restrictions on it." That's one of the reasons people are getting so frustrated.

I don't know about the breast feeding thing, I haven't seen that topic since I'm not pregnant.

While YOU might not want to have children, you shouldn't deny other people that joy. There are many things I personally do not want. I do not want to be in a relationship with another race. I do not think it is 'wrong', I am just usually not attracted to males of another race. But I do not think that bi-racial couples should be denied the right to be together.

Someone mentioned that their sister (?) has PCOS (sorry, don't know how to multi-quote people) and I have that as well. It honestly hurts when people say things like "I would hug a doctor if he told me I was infertile." You don't realize how much you're taking for granted. I don't know when I want to have kids. Finding out that you might not be able to have children is.... an experience. Even if you don't 'want' kids, to know that that option has quite possibly been taken from you is devastating. Without modern medicine, I probably wouldn't have a chance to have a kid. (Modern medicine also helps with my PCOS, obviously.)

And I really would like to know your reasoning.
 

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The OP is against it because she doesn't 'get' wanting to get pregnant, so going through fertility treatments to achieve it? OMG THE HORROR. So she just has a totally biased opinion and obviously her opinion was important enough to make a thread about it (probably knowing that nobody would agree).

How old is she anyway... 12?
Uh no I am not an atheist thank you I was raised Lutheran & I am 30 years old thank you. Even if I was atheist why would it matter? Kind of offensive to anyone who is atheist who might read this isn't it?

Man you guys are a bunch of sensitive catty b**ches (sorry mods but if I'm going to be called nasty things then I will respond with nasty things)

OMG end of the world of someone doesn't believe in pregnancy or birthing a child PERSONALLY I have my rights to think about MY OWN BODY what I want & yes speaking personally, I would be happy if I was told to be infertile of course I would still be careful & use protection (dr's can be wrong) but I would not worry as much about getting pregnant if I knew that I can't.

But that wasn't the point of this thread ... The point was to get ppl's opinions, not to get attacked about something that I didn't even being up but since you guys wanna be nasty, bring it on, I'm thick skinned.
 

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I have a much bigger problem with people who have severe, known diseases/deformities that are known to be inheritable (for example, Neurofibromatosis, Cystic Fibrosis, or Schizophrenia just to name a few) having children, but that's another can of worms.
I actually agree with this. I've been saying it for a long time, too. I don't understand bringing a child in the world for your own selfish reasons when you know it's going to suffer.
 

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Nope.

The only way nature knows we've over populated is when you starve to death. No magic involved.
I don't know about that. Nature (god) shows that when populations of creatures (insects, mammals, etc) get too large diseases start developing to keep the species under control.

Ever watched Planet Earth. Fascinating segment on fungi that affects and kills ants and other insects and keeps them from over taking the area. I don't want to be casual about cancer and such but is it a surprise that cancer is so prevalent right now? Maybe keeping the species under control? I don't know. Just speculation but I don't think there is nothing to the species control theory
 

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From a completely biological standpoint, nature "knows" when populations of flora or fauna are getting out of control and enacts measures to attempt to control that population, so I can buy that their body is telling them that they "shouldn't" have a baby. That said... :p ...it's my personal opinion that I would much rather see a child born to a parent or parents who wanted that child so much that they were willing to put that amount of dedication and effort into bringing them into the world, than to see another unwanted product of "natural" teen pregnancy shipped through the system. Of course, spending a fortune and months or years to have a baby is no guarantee that the child is loved and cared for properly just as not all teen pregnancies end in a child that is unloved and uncared for, but when weighing the odds...

I have a much bigger problem with people who have severe, known diseases/deformities that are known to be inheritable (for example, Neurofibromatosis, Cystic Fibrosis, or Schizophrenia just to name a few) having children, but that's another can of worms.
Yes I do agree with that (I mean have u seen that special "born schizophrenic"? They had three kids with it!!!) which is why I decided not to have kids: I have Alzheimer's & ADHD in my genes, I don't want to take the chance of having a kid with a mental affliction, to me that's cruel.
 
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Seriously, you're saying that nature is telling some of us that we can't have kids, yet let some families who can't afford kids have 8 of them?

That's total crapola.
Uh, no, never claimed to believe that nature (and by that I mean actual nature; biology, not someones' "god") knows that so and so is a doctor but this person over here is broke. :rolleyes:
 

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