Fertility treatments, what are your opinions?
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I just find it pathetically humorous that some, as you brought up, want to question and belittle me for not adopting or giving my money to charity or other various causes, when they, such as yourself, do not adopt and prefer to store one's money away in savings for personal use rather than give it all away to charities.
Funny, how not only am I told what I should and shouldn't do with my body, but then I'm lectured in what I should and shouldn't do with my money (which, for the record, you have NO idea what I do with it).
Fran101, we may have differences in some areas of life, but I love you because of posts just like the ones in this thread.
I've never been shy about talking about my struggles with infertility. I, too, have PCOS and do not ovulate. My right ovary was also completely shriveled and non-functioning. I didn't even have a period from the time I was 19 until I was 21 and went on Provera to "force" my body to do so.
My first two babies were fertility babies. I did Clomid (oral), FSH daily injections, HCG injections, and IUI. I met with an IVF specialists, and while I had decided at the time to not go that route (I was beaten down and depressed and didn't want to read another "negative"), it was still only $13,000 for 3 implantations (2 the first attempt; a single one for a second attempt). Seeing as how we has also looked into adoption, I could have done 3 bouts of IVH for lower price than that of adoption.
In the end, I have 3 wonderful boys, and I wouldn't want a single dollar back. I'm not ashamed to say, that for a few years, my entire paycheck paid for dog food and fertility drugs (which were NOT covered under our insurance). But I guess I should be ashamed, because think of all the charities that could've had that money...
Funny, how not only am I told what I should and shouldn't do with my body, but then I'm lectured in what I should and shouldn't do with my money (which, for the record, you have NO idea what I do with it).
Fran101, we may have differences in some areas of life, but I love you because of posts just like the ones in this thread.
I've never been shy about talking about my struggles with infertility. I, too, have PCOS and do not ovulate. My right ovary was also completely shriveled and non-functioning. I didn't even have a period from the time I was 19 until I was 21 and went on Provera to "force" my body to do so.
My first two babies were fertility babies. I did Clomid (oral), FSH daily injections, HCG injections, and IUI. I met with an IVF specialists, and while I had decided at the time to not go that route (I was beaten down and depressed and didn't want to read another "negative"), it was still only $13,000 for 3 implantations (2 the first attempt; a single one for a second attempt). Seeing as how we has also looked into adoption, I could have done 3 bouts of IVH for lower price than that of adoption.
In the end, I have 3 wonderful boys, and I wouldn't want a single dollar back. I'm not ashamed to say, that for a few years, my entire paycheck paid for dog food and fertility drugs (which were NOT covered under our insurance). But I guess I should be ashamed, because think of all the charities that could've had that money...
Yeah doctors kind of suck when it comes to PCOS. I've jumped around several and finally found one (a GP actually) that was willing to try me on some various treatments. Keep searching until you find one that will.
The forum is called soul cysters. Big site and I just lurk but there's some awesome information on there. It's also nice to just hear stories from other women. Sometimes it feels like you're the only one with some of these side effects. There's some really strong and inspirational ladies on that site.
The forum is called soul cysters. Big site and I just lurk but there's some awesome information on there. It's also nice to just hear stories from other women. Sometimes it feels like you're the only one with some of these side effects. There's some really strong and inspirational ladies on that site.
Dogdragoness, how are people, who undergo fertility treatments, not "prepared" or educated? I was drilled by my high-risk OB and other specialists I saw. My emotional well-being was of huge concern to them in addition to my physical well-being. I was monitored with more bloodwork and visits than I care to remember. My OB would personally send me thoughtful little cards of encouragement. When I miscarried, I was treated with real sympathy and a nurse even cried with me. I was given so much reading material (I'm talking books, not pamphlets) on such treatments and the effects on the body. I learned more about all this stuff than I would have ever known in my life if I had not gone through this. Staying healthy, including weight and overall fitness, was stressed to me.
Oh, and I had three c-sections. Oooooo.....
Oh, and I had three c-sections. Oooooo.....
I for one find the statement "I wish they had never come up with it" offensive. I have a beautiful niece and nephew because of fertility treatments. It took my sister and her husband years to get them. NOT because of continuous treatments but because of the testing AND counseling they went through to be able to have the treatment.
For me fertility treatments are a very personal decision, just like having kids or not having kids. ITS.YOUR.BODY. so its very much your choice. I am not about to tell someone they should or should not have fertility treatments. Or they NEED to have kids or not have kids. All 3 of those decisions are between a woman and her partner, not anyone else.
For me fertility treatments are a very personal decision, just like having kids or not having kids. ITS.YOUR.BODY. so its very much your choice. I am not about to tell someone they should or should not have fertility treatments. Or they NEED to have kids or not have kids. All 3 of those decisions are between a woman and her partner, not anyone else.
Okay, first of all, I'm not sure what diseases you consider too bad to be able to have children with, but that is incredibly f*cking offensive. I don't even want to have children, but I have a disorder that is likely inherited and if I DID want to have children that would be MY choice. NO ONE should get to sit over in the corner and say "Oh she has such and such and she's having a CHILD!? That poor kid!"
It's completely f*cking ridiculous that people who have disorders but want to have children are considered selfish, just for wanting children. It's such a personal thing and no one should get to judge other people, tell them what to do with their bodies, ect just because they happen to think it's wrong. THAT is selfish and immoral. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it wrong.
OMFG, thank you. This forum is a forum that appreciates proper spelling and grammar. Not always punctuation, but meh, you can only get so far some times. I type from my phone half the time I'm on Chaz. It's not really an excuse, it's just pure laziness and it's annoying.
It's completely f*cking ridiculous that people who have disorders but want to have children are considered selfish, just for wanting children. It's such a personal thing and no one should get to judge other people, tell them what to do with their bodies, ect just because they happen to think it's wrong. THAT is selfish and immoral. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it wrong.
OMFG, thank you. This forum is a forum that appreciates proper spelling and grammar. Not always punctuation, but meh, you can only get so far some times. I type from my phone half the time I'm on Chaz. It's not really an excuse, it's just pure laziness and it's annoying.
I certainly don't understand the mentality behind it. And you definitely didn't make it any more clear. Like, you KNOW your kid will suffer, might live in constant pain, might die young and live a life that no one should be forced to live, but you're going to make them anyway? I don't get it, no. Smaller things I understand. More serious genetic diseases with no known cure or treatment, definitely not.
For the people saying they disagree with people having serious medical conditions reproducing: I understand where you're coming from on a scientific level. It is easy for me to say that people in China should only have one kid (or no kids) because it's way over-populated. I understand the concept.
But, in practice, I have to be emphatic for people wanting to have children. No matter your situation, it is (usually) a natural instinct to want children. Even if you have no desire to actually HAVE them, at one point in most people's lives' they WANT children. However fleeting of a moment, that may be. Regardless of any conditions they may have.
On an emotional level I can't tell someone (usually) that they shouldn't have children because of genetics. Do I agree with people keeping their veggie kids alive? No, not really. But if it was me, I can't say I wouldn't do the same exact thing. Ideally, I believe I wouldn't but I will (hopefully) never know.
So, in theory, I agree with you. In practice, I can't.
Plus, who isn't messed up in today's society?
But, in practice, I have to be emphatic for people wanting to have children. No matter your situation, it is (usually) a natural instinct to want children. Even if you have no desire to actually HAVE them, at one point in most people's lives' they WANT children. However fleeting of a moment, that may be. Regardless of any conditions they may have.
On an emotional level I can't tell someone (usually) that they shouldn't have children because of genetics. Do I agree with people keeping their veggie kids alive? No, not really. But if it was me, I can't say I wouldn't do the same exact thing. Ideally, I believe I wouldn't but I will (hopefully) never know.
So, in theory, I agree with you. In practice, I can't.
Plus, who isn't messed up in today's society?
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I have autism and I'm certainly not living a life "nobody should be forced to live." I know multiple people with schizophrenia, but one in particular, and she in NO WAY is living a life "nobody should be forced to live." This type of thought it extremely bigoted and highly offensive.
I have autism and I'm certainly not living a life "nobody should be forced to live." I know multiple people with schizophrenia, but one in particular, and she in NO WAY is living a life "nobody should be forced to live." This type of thought it extremely bigoted and highly offensive.
I'm sure if you ask anyone who's alive and in the right state of mind if they're happy their parent had them, they'll tell you yes. I'm not religious at all, but even on my worst, most depressed days I don't think I'd ever say I don't want to be alive anymore just because I have this disorder. I suffer just about every day, and I'm still extremely thankful my parents had children. No one is forcing anyone to live their life. There is always a way out, whether you agree with that or not.
No one gets to make that choice for anyone else. And it needs to stay that way. That is too close to the whole eugenics thing, and that worked out so wonderfully didn't it? Just because you don't understand doesn't make it wrong.
One of my friends has Multiple Sclerosis. She lives in pain a lot. If she wants to have children, guess what, that's her choice.
Actually, this is turning into another debate about what women are allowed to do with their bodies, so basically, I'm done.
It's always small and narrow minded people who want to control what other people do with their lives, and judge them for the things they do.
No one gets to make that choice for anyone else. And it needs to stay that way. That is too close to the whole eugenics thing, and that worked out so wonderfully didn't it? Just because you don't understand doesn't make it wrong.
One of my friends has Multiple Sclerosis. She lives in pain a lot. If she wants to have children, guess what, that's her choice.
Actually, this is turning into another debate about what women are allowed to do with their bodies, so basically, I'm done.
It's always small and narrow minded people who want to control what other people do with their lives, and judge them for the things they do.