cropped ears

[Buddy'sParents]

I did too that is my whole point. He took care of all my animals, was trained and partnered with the vet i considered the best ever. He was and still is in many many many ways an excellent vet though through the years i have seen him turn greedy and it sickened me. Babies still go through circumcision, there are many different forms of basically the same topic. I just hate to see this thread turn ugly for there are many valid points and perspectives.

Amen!

 

[dr2little]

Not trying to argue, Doc, but how come so many vets will do the cropping for medical reasons?

I realize that there will ALWAYS be differing views... but if my vet told me that my dog should have cropped ears to help with ear infections, I think I might do it (but NEVER for cosmetic reasons). But, then again, i really really trust my vet... i wouldn't think she would give us misinformation?

I don't ever take any of your posts as trying to argue but rather well thought out...no worries
I actually agree with you that if there is an existing problem that would be somehow resolved by copping than of course. What I'm talking about is cropping a pup for no existing medical reason. That what the "no medical justification" part of my post refers to. It would be like removing the appendix...just in case..one day..maybe.. IMHO of course
I actually took a greyhound to be docked when his tail continued to open (an old wound) and it just HAD to be done....

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I don't ever take any of your posts as trying to argue but rather well thought out...no worries
I actually agree with you that if there is an existing problem that would be somehow resolved by copping than of course. What I'm talking about is cropping a pup for no existing medical reason. That what the "no medical justification" part of my post refers to. It would be like removing the appendix...just in case..one day..maybe.. IMHO of course
I actually took a greyhound to be docked when his tail continued to open (an old wound) and it just HAD to be done....

Ooooook, I see now. Thanks.

 

[Southpaw]

I don't think cropping ears is cruel or anything like that. Would I ever crop my dogs ears? No, I much prefer the look of floppy ears, and would rather not put my dog through surgey just so it can have erect ears for no reason. It doesn't make someone a bad dog owner though.

If a dog ever came to me with cropped ears, whatever, but I will never choose to crop.

I think my boxer's floppy ears are adorable.

 

[lastkid]

What I'm talking about is cropping a pup for no existing medical reason. That what the "no medical justification" part of my post refers to. It would be like removing the appendix...just in case..one day..maybe...

But... couldn't you say the same thing about spaying/neutering? Especially in regards to cancer issues. That's a major surgery that's primarily done for preventative reasons, just like a dock (only a two-day-old pup has about... 1/10th the discomfort/pain). A dog might get testicular cancer, he might not. He might have behavioral issues linked to testosterone production, he might not. He might father an unwanted litter, he might not. But why take the risk? Why not just pop 'em out? Same with removing dewclaws. A dog might tear it, it might not. If there's a good chance it will, take the things off before they cause a ton of pain. I'm much more comfortable with the idea of causing mild discomfort to a two-day-old puppy than I am with causing days or weeks of pain to an adult dog with a broken/cut, hard to heal tail, just as I'm more comfortable with spaying my dog than I am with dealing with heats and accidental pregnancies, etc. I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, just offering another point of view, at least on the docking half of this debate.

I don't see myself ever cropping a dog, but I'm not interested in breeds that are cropped. I own a docked dog, I prefer the breed (Aussies) to be docked, and I feel that not docking would irrevocably alter characteristics about this breed that I love. I wouldn't want an Aussie with a long, flowing tail like a Golden. I want a dog that represents what this breed is and always has been. I want my wiggle butts!

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

After reading your posts I have 2 words. Pipe down.

You have the nerve to tell me to Pipe down after you have quoted just about everything everyone has said...........Not me that needs to pipe down here!!

I for one am glad that Cropping is Illegal in the UK

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

But... couldn't you say the same thing about spaying/neutering? Especially in regards to cancer issues. That's a major surgery that's primarily done for preventative reasons.

There are other reasons for the spay/neuter than the possibilties of Cancer. There is no point in having an intact Bitch that could have an "oops litter" or a Dog that is going to go crazy everytime the Bitch around the corner is in Season........Unless of course you are Breeding from them.
So IMO you couldn't say the same about the Spay/Neuter

 

[taratippy]

You have the nerve to tell me to Pipe down after you have quoted just about everything everyone has said...........Not me that needs to pipe down here!!

I for one am glad that Cropping is Illegal in the UK

Me too! and bring on the docking ban too.

Ive still not seen anyone give any conclusive medical evidence that it is better for a dog to be cropped. As I think Dizzy made the point, we are not actually over run with deaf dogs in the UK.

 

[Dizzy]

I guess you don't believe in circumsizing babies? Same thing.

Funnily enough - No I do not!!

Nor piercing babies ears. Disgusting.

I have piercings my self, no way would I pierce a child.

All one and the same to me. Mutilation and tantermount (sp?) to abuse.

 

[Dizzy]

You can put a knee replacement surgery pic on too if you want to gross people out, but look at the benifits.

And the benefits of cropping? Medical - bollox (scuse my french).

Again - illegal here, our dogs seem to be coping.. well 100%

 

[Dizzy]

How much does it cost to get your dog cropped?

 

[Dizzy]

Hmmm.. Interesting:

The fact is that ear infections are common in all sorts of breeds whether they have cropped ears or not. As a veterinarian with 32 years of experience treating hundreds of thousands of dogs during that time, I cannot find medical justification for cropping a dog's pinnas. So the choice to crop a dog's ears is a personal decision that a purebred dog owner needs to weigh carefully... partly because what you think you will get may not occur. I refer to the disappointing cases where the pup's ears have been cropped and yet, no matter what everyone tries to do, the ears won't stand erect!

 

[Dizzy]

Also:

I still choose not to do ear cropping... but will take on bone fracture repair, gastric dilatation (bloat) correction, tumor removals and just about any surgery an experienced veterinarian will do. The income lost was a non-factor in my decision not to do ear cropping. (Many veterinarians have to charge well over $150 per pup due to the anesthetic, surgery, bandages, hospital stay, and also will charge for rebandaging, suture removal, antibiotics, etc. So a litter of ten pups for ear cropping can generated sizeable income.) The revenue for a practice can be substantial for doing ear cropping.

And you ask WHY some vets still do it.....

All found when looking for medical BENEFITS of cropping.

Funny, nothing came up?

 

[Ashlea]

I am against any sort of unnecesarry surgery in dogs, I do not think owners of cropped dogs are cruel, I just think it should not be done. I am also glad that I live in a country that does not allow cropping, we are working on docking.

I am also VERY against circumcision, it is ugly, scarred and the poor man loses 65% sensation in comparison to uncirsumsized men. And please don't bring up the hygene thing, if you are too dirty to wash under your foreskin you are a dirty bugger who has no business even approaching a woman. And no, foreskins are not linked to cervical cancer. That is HPV, or genital warts that cause CC.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

I am also VERY against circumcision, it is ugly, scarred and the poor man loses 65% sensation in comparison to uncirsumsized men. And please don't bring up the hygene thing, if you are too dirty to wash under your foreskin you are a dirty bugger who has no business even approaching a woman. And no, foreskins are not linked to cervical cancer. That is HPV, or genital warts that cause CC.

I think that just about covered that

 

[Ashlea]

LOL! Caren. It is just that I am so sick of people bringing hygene into the circumcision debate, call me old fashioned but I like men who shower everyday!

It took me all 9 months of my sisters preganancy with her son to convince her not to do it and she didn't! Yay for Grant!!

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

LOL! Caren. It is just that I am so sick of people bringing hygene into the circumcision debate, call me old fashioned but I like men who shower everyday!

It took me all 9 months of my sisters preganancy with her son to convince her not to do it and she didn't! Yay for Grant!!

My son hasn't had it done and unless it was medically needed he won't!
I taught him personal hygeine and he is all good

 

[dr2little]

But... couldn't you say the same thing about spaying/neutering? Especially in regards to cancer issues. That's a major surgery that's primarily done for preventative reasons, just like a dock (only a two-day-old pup has about... 1/10th the discomfort/pain). A dog might get testicular cancer, he might not. He might have behavioral issues linked to testosterone production, he might not. He might father an unwanted litter, he might not. But why take the risk? Why not just pop 'em out? Same with removing dewclaws. A dog might tear it, it might not. If there's a good chance it will, take the things off before they cause a ton of pain. I'm much more comfortable with the idea of causing mild discomfort to a two-day-old puppy than I am with causing days or weeks of pain to an adult dog with a broken/cut, hard to heal tail, just as I'm more comfortable with spaying my dog than I am with dealing with heats and accidental pregnancies, etc. I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, just offering another point of view, at least on the docking half of this debate.I don't see myself ever cropping a dog, but I'm not interested in breeds that are cropped. I own a docked dog, I prefer the breed (Aussies) to be docked, and I feel that not docking would irrevocably alter characteristics about this breed that I love. I wouldn't want an Aussie with a long, flowing tail like a Golden. I want a dog that represents what this breed is and always has been. I want my wiggle butts!

You can't compare cropping/docking to spay/neutering, that's totally apples to oranges. Statistically speaking it's not even an arguement. Dewclaws are the same thing. Most Vets will only remove dewclaws if they're attachment is weak or they "require" them removed due to high risk working environment. It's a shame that the cosmetically desirable traits that humans have been unable to alter through breeding, they'll still choose to alter with a scalpel.

 

[joce]

You do run across deaf dogs. Byrons first vet said he does it at least once a month but its usually in cockers.


not to mention some breeds like bassets that can not be cropped get told to have their ears tied back for so many hours a day.


But I forgott this is jsut because I cna't clean my dogs ears Too bad it didn't clear up for eitheir of the two vets or the cropper eitheir.

dr2little,so was it magic that cured my boys ear infections?

 

[dr2little]

My son hasn't had it done and unless it was medically needed he won't!
I taught him personal hygeine and he is all good

My son's 21 and was born during a time when most were still having it done. I couldn't justify handing over my tiny baby as my doctor couldn't provide me with any medical reason to support such a surgery. Let's just say, he learned how to properly care for what God gave him and today he's grateful that I didn't take something away that he could never get back....