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borgorn said:
I strongly think if you were a male dog you would disagree.
You are placing human emotions and feelings onto your dog.

Dogs do not experience these sorts of feelings.

A neutered dog simply does not experience the drives and frustrations that an intact one does.

Whether you choose to acknowledge that fact or not does not make it any less a fact.

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RedyreRottweilers said:
You are placing human emotions and feelings onto your dog.
Dogs do not experience these sorts of feelings.

A neutered dog simply does not experience the drives and frustrations that an intact one does.

Whether you choose to acknowledge that fact or not does not make it any less a fact.

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EXACTLY!!! People put too much human emotion on their dog for all situations.
 
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RedyreRottweilers said:
You are placing human emotions and feelings onto your dog.

Dogs do not experience these sorts of feelings.

A neutered dog simply does not experience the drives and frustrations that an intact one does.

Whether you choose to acknowledge that fact or not does not make it any less a fact.

;)
Human emotions. I think a dog is entitled to his privates just like a human. Is it the human emotion that tells me a dog would not like it if you have cut off the number one spot he likes to lick. It don't take an genius to figure out a dog likes his private parts. If you don't think it's mean to hack them off to please you then maybe you are barbaric. And just because your having your friend back you up doesn't make your arguement any stronger. Acknowledge the fact? Your fact is an opinion. And I say if you were the dog you would not want your boys removed.
 
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RedyreRottweilers said:
I'm done speechifying with the cro magnon.
Does this mean you think your right? I think there are some opinions that agree with me. And if they don't I still believe 100% what I say. So let's get this right. Cropping is horrible but neutering is much better for the dog right? I don't agree with you so I will go to my cave(with my dog),sharpen some spears,create a fire and carve some animal skins.
 
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Buddy'sParents said:
Does anyone else think it's funny that only dogs that get cropped ears for "medical purposes" are dogs that are "shown" or have a history of cropping (dobermans for example- you don't see labs with cropped ears because it helps with "ear infections").

I find that very interesting!
Yup...very interesting BP.:rolleyes: I was just thinking the same thing.
 

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borgorn said:
Does this mean you think your right? I think there are some opinions that agree with me. And if they don't I still believe 100% what I say. So let's get this right. Cropping is horrible but neutering is much better for the dog right? I don't agree with you so I will go to my cave(with my dog),sharpen some spears,create a fire and carve some animal skins.
are you reading the thread or just arguing with everyone? because right now, in that response to redeyre, i believe you are actually arguing with one of the few people that SUPPORTS the right to crop and dock a dog.
 
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are you reading the thread or just arguing with everyone? because right now, in that response to redeyre, i believe you are actually arguing with one of the few people that SUPPORTS the right to crop and dock a dog.
I think I did mix up 2 differnt people's replies. But my arguement does stand for the people who say you don't love your dog if you crop the ears and they turn around and have their dog's testicles cut off. I will argue to the end with dog owners who try to judge and belittle people for not raising dogs the way they do. Almost evryone tries to act like they have superior knowledge of dogs and people who don't see it their way are cruel and shouldn't have dogs. If anyone don't like being on the other side of an arguement they shouldn't be trying to throw their weight around in here. And I put so many replies on this subject because I got to this one late and there was alot of catching up to do.
 

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borgorn said:
If anyone don't like being on the other side of an arguement they shouldn't be trying to throw their weight around in here.

Glad to hear you "practice what you preach." :D
 
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Everyone has their own opinion. That's life. You either agree with cropping/docking, don't agree with it or only agree if it's for medical reasons. If your dogs not being bred then he/she should be fixed. Why even have the chance you could have an accidental litter when it could be prevented by a little snip and clip? If you keep your dogs whole, fine...just don't let 'em hump every female around and contribute to overpopulation and mixed breeds. If you clip them for medical reasons or to help stem the population, that's good.
Again...opinions differ, deal with it. It's not something you can change over night.
 

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Borgorn - Maybe in your backward country people tease boys for not being mutilated. Here in South Africa circumcision is highly out of fashion with 80% of the white population not being circumcised. So no, my son would not be riduculed by a bunch of knuckle draggers such as yourself and your lovely friends.
Personally as a woman, I find the sight of a circumcised man sad and appaling.
You are a combative incredably immature poster. I am done speaking to you.
 
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Borgorn - Maybe in your backward country people tease boys for not being mutilated. Here in South Africa circumcision is highly out of fashion with 80% of the white population not being circumcised. So no, my son would not be riduculed by a bunch of knuckle draggers such as yourself and your lovely friends.
Personally as a woman, I find the sight of a circumcised man sad and appaling.
You are a combative incredably immature poster. I am done speaking to you.
Africa calling the United States backward and knuckle draggers that's a good one. I could say more but I won't. Exspecially when it comes to mutilating. And I was not involved in the ridicule, I'm just telling you what happened. If america is so bad why does everyone come here then? Appaling at least it don't look like an elephant's trunk.
 
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borgorn said:
So you will alter the dog physically to make him act how you want him/her to act and not how they should naturally act. I think neutering is way more cruel than cropping ears. I can honestly say I never had a dog neutered.
It isn't to make him act how i want him to act........there are no gaurantees that his behaviour would alter at all.
It is done b/c it would be unfair to have him intact (Knowing that he is never going to be used for stud) and have him suffer emotionally everytime a Bitch that lives close by is having a Season...........I mean NO man likes to be Frustrated now do they! :p
 
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It isn't to make him act how i want him to act........there are no gaurantees that his behaviour would alter at all.
It is done b/c it would be unfair to have him intact (Knowing that he is never going to be used for stud) and have him suffer emotionally everytime a Bitch that lives close by is having a Season...........I mean NO man likes to be Frustrated now do they! :p
I see the point. And I'm not against nuetering. I would never do it. But if compared to ear cropping I see the cropping and tail docking as way less of an ordeal. And if people say I'm barbaric for cropping my dog's ears I'm going to bring up nuetering if they believe in it.
 

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borgorn said:
Human emotions. I think a dog is entitled to his privates just like a human. Is it the human emotion that tells me a dog would not like it if you have cut off the number one spot he likes to lick. It don't take an genius to figure out a dog likes his private parts. If you don't think it's mean to hack them off to please you then maybe you are barbaric. And just because your having your friend back you up doesn't make your arguement any stronger. Acknowledge the fact? Your fact is an opinion. And I say if you were the dog you would not want your boys removed.

So, let me get this straight.

Cropping is OK.. But neutering is not.

And all the arguements from cropping, you can apply to neutering, but neutering is still is wrong?

Anyone else confused?
 
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Borgon

Let me just say something here .......You were rude to me.....Buddy's Parents commented on this and your reply to her was about people calling others Barbaric for Cropping.

Not once during this whole thread have i said it is Barbaric/Cruel....whatever!!
Just that i don't agree on doing the crop/doc unless it is for a Medical reason.

You really cannot compare Cropping a dogs ears to look good (Not the ones done for Medical reasons) to Spay/Neuter that is done for more reasons than that.

Many people here will agree and others won't.........I think personally this is going to be one of those threads that go on forever.
 
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Dizzy said:
So, let me get this straight.

Cropping is OK.. But neutering is not.

And all the arguements from cropping, you can apply to neutering, but neutering is still is wrong?

Anyone else confused?
I explained it in my last reply.
 

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borgorn said:
I see the point. And I'm not against nuetering. I would never do it. But if compared to ear cropping I see the cropping and tail docking as way less of an ordeal. And if people say I'm barbaric for cropping my dog's ears I'm going to bring up nuetering if they believe in it.
How is it less of an ordeal?

For starters, male castration is over and done with in a few minutes, and is non invasive and heals quickly.

Female spaying - yes, more invasive, but once it's done, it's done. Healing for a week or so and then back to normal.

Cropping - general anesthetic, in terms of how far the scalpel has to travel - a huge area of cut, a huge area to scar.

Then WEEKS of aftercare, it is a part of the body that will be knocked often. Taped up - risk of infections..

It just isn't even comparable.. Like going in for gall stones, or breast implants.
 

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And for....??

A pointy eared dog....

That's it.

Whoopty doo - you must be proud :D

Noticed noone commented on the amount of MONEY vets make out of this operation. And why, perhaps, some still want to do it... correlation? I think so.
 
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