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Wow... I LOVE THAT BC BOY! He is absolutely beautiful. Who could call that a devil dog, wtf? D:< He reminds me of a grown up Rory. His eyes are perfect... not too kookoocrazy, but still very intense and intuitive.
It seems like he has amazing energy for Peyton. It looks like a really nice match. Gonzo has a similar influence over other dogs; my friend's hyperactive BC puppy turns into Ms. Manners when Gonzo is in the room. At the same time, he never over-corrects other dogs and he means really well. There are a lot of flighty, badly bred/raised Border Collies out there... he seems very balanced, which is so nice to see in this breed!
I know what you mean about how sharp they are, they're SHARP. Sometimes I'm just shocked by other dogs when I go to work with them after working with Gonzo. Of course, Aussies are wayyy up there too, but I think the focus isn't the same.
Awww. They make an adorable couple! I always thought Aussies and BCs compliment each other in a lot of ways. Congrats! You went with your heart and that's always best.
It seems like he has amazing energy for Peyton. It looks like a really nice match. Gonzo has a similar influence over other dogs; my friend's hyperactive BC puppy turns into Ms. Manners when Gonzo is in the room. At the same time, he never over-corrects other dogs and he means really well. There are a lot of flighty, badly bred/raised Border Collies out there... he seems very balanced, which is so nice to see in this breed!
I know what you mean about how sharp they are, they're SHARP. Sometimes I'm just shocked by other dogs when I go to work with them after working with Gonzo. Of course, Aussies are wayyy up there too, but I think the focus isn't the same.Awww. They make an adorable couple! I always thought Aussies and BCs compliment each other in a lot of ways. Congrats! You went with your heart and that's always best.
He's home. Peyton was sitting at the top of the stairs. He went right up the stairs and passed her like it was nothing at all. Peyton didn't even get up. Pretty amazing...
He did well at the groomer. The lady called when he was ready and said" I don't know how much time you have spent with him, but is a very very sweet and very loving boy. He's a keeper! She said he was afraid at first then he relaxed. It's been a full day of that for him.
Peyton is asleep under the bed and the bc it trying to put his head in my lap. They drank out of water bowls next to each other, so all is good so far... Going feed them in separate rooms, set up his kennel and we're ALL calling it a night.
Thanks to for everyone for your support. Maybe I'll dream a name
He did well at the groomer. The lady called when he was ready and said" I don't know how much time you have spent with him, but is a very very sweet and very loving boy. He's a keeper! She said he was afraid at first then he relaxed. It's been a full day of that for him.
Peyton is asleep under the bed and the bc it trying to put his head in my lap. They drank out of water bowls next to each other, so all is good so far... Going feed them in separate rooms, set up his kennel and we're ALL calling it a night.
Thanks to for everyone for your support. Maybe I'll dream a name
We survived the night. Introduced the BC to his new kennel a few times ins/outs/clicks/treats and I closed the door for the night. He objected and wanted out, I didn't let it escalate, I corrected him ONCE and not so much of a peep the rest of the night. He knows the word NO and shuts down. Good job, whatever your name is...
He follows me around the house, he's pretty obsessed with me. Resting now behind my chair. Showed some signs of jealously if I give attention to Peyton. I'm going to have to watch this closely and I think he believes I'm all his. He would be in my lap if I would let him. He's as potty trained as a 6 week old puppy.
I still haven't seen them play together. No play mouthing, wrestling or anything else. I would describe the mood in the house "friendly" but reserved, kind of like a stuffy formal dinner party and at best, idle chit chat. I have two dogs in the house right now fully awake and it's dead quiet.
I saw an interesting thing. When the Mal was here and I returned them to the house, Peyton would chase the Mal up the stairs play biting. She didn't do that with the BC.
The dynamics in the house have changed and I didn't expect this kind of result.
Nobody ever said living with an Aussie and a Border wasn't going to be interesting but these two act more like retirees than young herders. Jynx pegged it right in this thread...they are into "me", not each other and that appears to be the case as we start our first full day.
The morning walk was relaxed and at a slow pace, nobody frantic. I looked like I knew what I was doing and it looked like they knew what I wanted. It's raining again today so we'll work on some inside stuff. He does not sit or down, or look. We'll see how that goes but first I need to teach him his name. First I need to teach ME his name
Oh BTW, thanks for all the compliments on this guys looks. I didn't pick him because of it as you know, I picked him because of his demeanor. The bonus is, he's a good looking dog. I've already had comps on him and nobody so far has been terrified of his Devil Eyes.
He's a really good dog guys. It would have been a huge waste to euthanize this puppy just because of his eye color. This is one of the sweetest and most gentle and calmest dogs you would ever meet.
I thought about my life with my most recent dogs and drew an analogy.
My Blue Heeler was imported Beer
My Aussie is a good Champagne
My BC is 20 year old Scotch
He follows me around the house, he's pretty obsessed with me. Resting now behind my chair. Showed some signs of jealously if I give attention to Peyton. I'm going to have to watch this closely and I think he believes I'm all his. He would be in my lap if I would let him. He's as potty trained as a 6 week old puppy.
I still haven't seen them play together. No play mouthing, wrestling or anything else. I would describe the mood in the house "friendly" but reserved, kind of like a stuffy formal dinner party and at best, idle chit chat. I have two dogs in the house right now fully awake and it's dead quiet.
I saw an interesting thing. When the Mal was here and I returned them to the house, Peyton would chase the Mal up the stairs play biting. She didn't do that with the BC.
The dynamics in the house have changed and I didn't expect this kind of result.
Nobody ever said living with an Aussie and a Border wasn't going to be interesting but these two act more like retirees than young herders. Jynx pegged it right in this thread...they are into "me", not each other and that appears to be the case as we start our first full day.
The morning walk was relaxed and at a slow pace, nobody frantic. I looked like I knew what I was doing and it looked like they knew what I wanted. It's raining again today so we'll work on some inside stuff. He does not sit or down, or look. We'll see how that goes but first I need to teach him his name. First I need to teach ME his name
Oh BTW, thanks for all the compliments on this guys looks. I didn't pick him because of it as you know, I picked him because of his demeanor. The bonus is, he's a good looking dog. I've already had comps on him and nobody so far has been terrified of his Devil Eyes.
He's a really good dog guys. It would have been a huge waste to euthanize this puppy just because of his eye color. This is one of the sweetest and most gentle and calmest dogs you would ever meet.
I thought about my life with my most recent dogs and drew an analogy.
My Blue Heeler was imported Beer
My Aussie is a good Champagne
My BC is 20 year old Scotch
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sounds like it's going good,,,I would definately watch his possessiveness of you, especially with peyton,,while I don't go with the "she was here first so is alpha" mentality, he needs to know how to "share" and be excepting of it.
I would say it normally takes a good couple of weeks before both are comfortable with each other, I'm sure they are feeling each other out as well, tho it may not appear that way.. Peyton at this point, probably isn't quite sure how to take him or how much she can push, but I'm sure after some days together, they'll become more comfortable with each other..
Who knows, Peyton may be thinking,,"is this guy visiting or is he staying?" LOL He sounds like a good calming effect on her,,...keep us updated!!
I would say it normally takes a good couple of weeks before both are comfortable with each other, I'm sure they are feeling each other out as well, tho it may not appear that way.. Peyton at this point, probably isn't quite sure how to take him or how much she can push, but I'm sure after some days together, they'll become more comfortable with each other..
Who knows, Peyton may be thinking,,"is this guy visiting or is he staying?" LOL He sounds like a good calming effect on her,,...keep us updated!!
Hey Jynx, he's easier by a mile than Peyton was for sure. He's obsessing some and he's obsessing about me. Could cause some serious SA, so I'll have to watch out for that too. That was probably what was driving his anxiousness in his kennel last night, he could see me but couldn't get to me. He's right under my feet right now and Peyt is napping in her kennel with the door open.
The good news is I've been through all this before, the bad new is, I have been through all this before.
You're right about settling in of course. When the Mal was here, they didn't play with each other for a week or more, after that they played well. Peyton is a little unsure of him still. Not really afraid of him but not over the top as usual. It will be interesting to see how all this will play out.
The good news is I've been through all this before, the bad new is, I have been through all this before.
You're right about settling in of course. When the Mal was here, they didn't play with each other for a week or more, after that they played well. Peyton is a little unsure of him still. Not really afraid of him but not over the top as usual. It will be interesting to see how all this will play out.
Some results. He trusts me now, will roll over on his own for a tummy rub but not in submission. I can hold his feet, tail, and ears and so on. His feet are slightly larger so I'm thinking he still has some growth. He may look bigger than Peyt on the images but he's actually about the same size or even smaller.
We had a nice walk again, I started flooding him and he seemed to do pretty well around busy parking lots and busy streets. There was huge truck that was idling and that spooked him. I moved him back a little and we sat waited and he did calm down but still would rather not be there. Peyton, yawned and laid down. She's an old pro at loud clacking sounding things. I did that from the start with her.
Some progress on heal and stop, and some on sit and come. It's day 1 and it's going well. This is just a puppy and the more I train him the more I'm convinced of it, so we'll take baby steps but move forward quickly.
What are my first impressions about training him?
Very Good, but I'm not seeing that learning intensity Peyton had at 6 months old. Some things are better in the BC than Peyt but his method is not like hers; an absolute sponge with extreme learning focus. Peyton is and was from the first day an INTENSE learner.
The BC has puppy mentality, sweet and trying to connect the dots but then looses focus. He gets it, but seemly takes a little more time. When I say time, Peyton learned sit/come in two minutes, the BC took 5. Not a big deal...smart is relative to your own experience. Peyton is intense at everything though, the BC has a more laid back approach to everything. I'm starting to see they are two very different dogs.
He's doing a pretty good job now of not pawing me. We've been working on that and I can see him "start" to paw, then take his paw down. The wheels are turning in there and he's showing signs of self control. I have no doubt he can learn good manners.
Peed on the couch again. We have a LOT more work to do there. He has NO clue he's not supposed to do that. My fault, not his, we'll fix that asap.
We'll do some cars rides and need to take him to the Vet today and have his chip updated with my information, work on basics, eat well, rest and play. He's licking Peyton in the mouth now, Peyton is still not so sure...
So far so good, he's going to be a very good dog and he's on his way...
We had a nice walk again, I started flooding him and he seemed to do pretty well around busy parking lots and busy streets. There was huge truck that was idling and that spooked him. I moved him back a little and we sat waited and he did calm down but still would rather not be there. Peyton, yawned and laid down. She's an old pro at loud clacking sounding things. I did that from the start with her.
Some progress on heal and stop, and some on sit and come. It's day 1 and it's going well. This is just a puppy and the more I train him the more I'm convinced of it, so we'll take baby steps but move forward quickly.
What are my first impressions about training him?
Very Good, but I'm not seeing that learning intensity Peyton had at 6 months old. Some things are better in the BC than Peyt but his method is not like hers; an absolute sponge with extreme learning focus. Peyton is and was from the first day an INTENSE learner.
The BC has puppy mentality, sweet and trying to connect the dots but then looses focus. He gets it, but seemly takes a little more time. When I say time, Peyton learned sit/come in two minutes, the BC took 5. Not a big deal...smart is relative to your own experience. Peyton is intense at everything though, the BC has a more laid back approach to everything. I'm starting to see they are two very different dogs.
He's doing a pretty good job now of not pawing me. We've been working on that and I can see him "start" to paw, then take his paw down. The wheels are turning in there and he's showing signs of self control. I have no doubt he can learn good manners.
Peed on the couch again. We have a LOT more work to do there. He has NO clue he's not supposed to do that. My fault, not his, we'll fix that asap.
We'll do some cars rides and need to take him to the Vet today and have his chip updated with my information, work on basics, eat well, rest and play. He's licking Peyton in the mouth now, Peyton is still not so sure...
So far so good, he's going to be a very good dog and he's on his way...
You're right, he's not sure if leave it means he can't have it at all or if he can have it later. He hasn't connected those dots yet and don't think he's connected the clicker to anything. I'm too quick on that sit clicker I just saw, I need to wait until his butt hits the floor.
He's also not sure about this whole training thing, he's willing but not sure how to act. He seems afraid to make a mistake and like you said unsure.
He's also not sure about this whole training thing, he's willing but not sure how to act. He seems afraid to make a mistake and like you said unsure.
Do you let him watch you work PEyton? My boss said it was always easier to train two at the same time because they learn from each other. When I worked Pepper on sit stay and come..Mary and VIctor literally sat stayed and came with her. 005_05_copy - Dog and Puppy Pictures
Yes I do, but she get's bored and goes and naps in her kennel. She does seem to understand what I'm saying to him faster than he understands and it's not the same command.
Well, we've been at it all day off and on. I think I have a good "first" guess on this guy.
First, he hasn't developed the learning habit. Probably because nobody worked with him before me. Is he razor sharp like Peyton? I have not seen it or maybe I have not been using the right motivator, or there is some other factor going on. In any case, it's not what I would call BC driven at ...........all.
He's not driven to do much of anything that I can find, he just goes along with the program whatever that might be. He's a good guy and I don't see any problems he might bring up along the line. He walks great on a leash now and get's along with everyone we have met.
He just hangs around me and comes over for an occasional head pet and tries to get in my lap. He's a very quiet dog, quiet in his mannerism, quiet in his enthusiasm, he even moves quietly. He doesn't bark at dogs or people walking by, the loudest I have heard him was when he sneezed.
I need to bring the border out in this puppy, live a little. Evidently in his past life being reserved was all he knew. I need to help him have more fun. He acts more like a retiree than a young BC and once again I'm surprised.
Well, we've been at it all day off and on. I think I have a good "first" guess on this guy.
First, he hasn't developed the learning habit. Probably because nobody worked with him before me. Is he razor sharp like Peyton? I have not seen it or maybe I have not been using the right motivator, or there is some other factor going on. In any case, it's not what I would call BC driven at ...........all.
He's not driven to do much of anything that I can find, he just goes along with the program whatever that might be. He's a good guy and I don't see any problems he might bring up along the line. He walks great on a leash now and get's along with everyone we have met.
He just hangs around me and comes over for an occasional head pet and tries to get in my lap. He's a very quiet dog, quiet in his mannerism, quiet in his enthusiasm, he even moves quietly. He doesn't bark at dogs or people walking by, the loudest I have heard him was when he sneezed.
I need to bring the border out in this puppy, live a little. Evidently in his past life being reserved was all he knew. I need to help him have more fun. He acts more like a retiree than a young BC and once again I'm surprised.
Ok, just thought of something. He's not very food motivated but bring out a tennis ball and boy does he comes to life! That may be the answer here. Toy motivated, things that move.
What made me think that was when I first saw him out on the yard, focus focus but we were playing ball. I thought he was so focused because I gave him a hotdog. Looks like it wasn't the hotdog at all, it was the BALL. I didn't remember that until just now when he left his food bowl to come over to me and say hello. He went back to his food and ate, but he left it for me.
Then, I remember the lady saying he didn't eat much, about 1.5 cups a day. A dog his size should be eating more than that in the first place. It could be he's just not that into food and I can't get the focus I saw that day even with raw steak.
One other thing, Zac George had a training video on on of his borders, I remember him saying his dogs aren't into food so he uses frisbees. One thing is for sure, pull out a tennis ball and I have his undivided attention bouncy bouncy attention.
What made me think that was when I first saw him out on the yard, focus focus but we were playing ball. I thought he was so focused because I gave him a hotdog. Looks like it wasn't the hotdog at all, it was the BALL. I didn't remember that until just now when he left his food bowl to come over to me and say hello. He went back to his food and ate, but he left it for me.
Then, I remember the lady saying he didn't eat much, about 1.5 cups a day. A dog his size should be eating more than that in the first place. It could be he's just not that into food and I can't get the focus I saw that day even with raw steak.
One other thing, Zac George had a training video on on of his borders, I remember him saying his dogs aren't into food so he uses frisbees. One thing is for sure, pull out a tennis ball and I have his undivided attention bouncy bouncy attention.
He's kennel trained now, not even a peep out of him last night at "any" time.
He came out of his kennel with more confidence today. Seemed excited about the day. He really is a happy little guy, just cautious until he knows what's going on is my guess.
He woke fired up, had a good walk, he's really good on a leash now except when he's spooked. I'll do some video of him and Peyton on the leash. They will walk on either side of me or the same side. No aggression, no pulling, just walk right along and match my speed pretty well. Walking is easy but neither like wet grass.
More good news, he and Peyton are starting to play! Chasing each other around the house, play biting. They are still feeling it out a bit but all signs are very positive!
We sat outside the front door of Tom Thumb last light for about an hour. Tons of cars, people, grocery carts, golf carts etc etc. He did pretty well but we need more time there. He freaked out at a street cleaning machine this morning but that was an extreme case. He was afraid, not aggressive and that's always been his reaction when frighten. Fear not Fight.
Saw some signs of furniture chewing and counter surfing yesterday. I have a spoon/cookie sheet trap on the counter should he do that again. If all those spoons come crashing down, I doubt he'll surf again.
Still trying to get a handle on his house training, out in the morning, pees 2 times, no poop. Here's a funny one. He was in mid stream yesterday, I said GOOD POTTY a little too loud and he spooked and stopped. I was more careful this morning. He has a fire hydrant he like to go on, so we'll go there every time. It will take a few days for me to get his rhythm down and he'll get used to our rhythm in time.
"All" of us are making progress I think as we start day 2. Oh yeah, his name is Jax.
He came out of his kennel with more confidence today. Seemed excited about the day. He really is a happy little guy, just cautious until he knows what's going on is my guess.
He woke fired up, had a good walk, he's really good on a leash now except when he's spooked. I'll do some video of him and Peyton on the leash. They will walk on either side of me or the same side. No aggression, no pulling, just walk right along and match my speed pretty well. Walking is easy but neither like wet grass.
More good news, he and Peyton are starting to play! Chasing each other around the house, play biting. They are still feeling it out a bit but all signs are very positive!
We sat outside the front door of Tom Thumb last light for about an hour. Tons of cars, people, grocery carts, golf carts etc etc. He did pretty well but we need more time there. He freaked out at a street cleaning machine this morning but that was an extreme case. He was afraid, not aggressive and that's always been his reaction when frighten. Fear not Fight.
Saw some signs of furniture chewing and counter surfing yesterday. I have a spoon/cookie sheet trap on the counter should he do that again. If all those spoons come crashing down, I doubt he'll surf again.
Still trying to get a handle on his house training, out in the morning, pees 2 times, no poop. Here's a funny one. He was in mid stream yesterday, I said GOOD POTTY a little too loud and he spooked and stopped. I was more careful this morning. He has a fire hydrant he like to go on, so we'll go there every time. It will take a few days for me to get his rhythm down and he'll get used to our rhythm in time.
"All" of us are making progress I think as we start day 2. Oh yeah, his name is Jax.
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Here's a vid of them playing. Sometimes Peyt is on the top, sometimes Jax. Peyton is on top in this video. Sometimes Jax starts it , sometimes Peyton. I have not seen any play behavior until today.
YouTube - Kids at play
We were back at the grocery store this morning, socializing. At one point they both got so bored with people walking by and cars and shopping carts they started to play with each other. I let it go for a while, but it kept getting more and more rambunctious and I stopped it. It was all play without a doubt, no question about that.
When we got home, Peyton was laying on the couch, Jax got on the couch and laid his head on Peyton using her as his pillow, Peyton didn't even bat an eyebrow and didn't even raise her head. Both seemed comfortable with the situation and both were looking at me as I smiled. These two are going to get along just fine.
YouTube - Kids at play
We were back at the grocery store this morning, socializing. At one point they both got so bored with people walking by and cars and shopping carts they started to play with each other. I let it go for a while, but it kept getting more and more rambunctious and I stopped it. It was all play without a doubt, no question about that.
When we got home, Peyton was laying on the couch, Jax got on the couch and laid his head on Peyton using her as his pillow, Peyton didn't even bat an eyebrow and didn't even raise her head. Both seemed comfortable with the situation and both were looking at me as I smiled. These two are going to get along just fine.