And nothing of value was lost.
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Chances are a new man will step in to do the beating unless this woman gets some serious counseling 
I don't think a huge amount of effort should be put into finding this guy. Its not like he killed a family of four minding their own business,or killed someone during an armed robbery. Why did he have the gun? Who knows? Obviously its not a nice area. Do they have concealed carry there?
If you saw this happening what would YOU do? If you said hey please stop you might get your fragile little head bashed in. Call the cops and you and this girl may be dead before they get anywhere near you. There are people out there who don't care about going back to jail, they know they will probably get back out right away anyway. Some like the atmosphere and want to be there believe it or not! So what if he is high-does that make it ok for him to kill her and possibly you? Because getting high was a choice. Not taking psych meds was a choice. This may sound bad but in the end my life wins.
I want my concealed carry. A bunch of us at work are taking the class this summer. We keep saying that but never get around to it!
I don't think a huge amount of effort should be put into finding this guy. Its not like he killed a family of four minding their own business,or killed someone during an armed robbery. Why did he have the gun? Who knows? Obviously its not a nice area. Do they have concealed carry there?
If you saw this happening what would YOU do? If you said hey please stop you might get your fragile little head bashed in. Call the cops and you and this girl may be dead before they get anywhere near you. There are people out there who don't care about going back to jail, they know they will probably get back out right away anyway. Some like the atmosphere and want to be there believe it or not! So what if he is high-does that make it ok for him to kill her and possibly you? Because getting high was a choice. Not taking psych meds was a choice. This may sound bad but in the end my life wins.
I want my concealed carry. A bunch of us at work are taking the class this summer. We keep saying that but never get around to it!
As a victim of abuse, all I'm going to say is it makes me sick to see people putting this scum's life above that of the woman's.
For human life to have value, the person actually has to be human.
Just my opinion. And if my ex puts another finger on me, he's dead. Either my dad or my best friend will kill him in a second. That knowledge is the only reason he stays away from me; sometimes it takes more than just the threat of jail to stop a person.
For human life to have value, the person actually has to be human.
Just my opinion. And if my ex puts another finger on me, he's dead. Either my dad or my best friend will kill him in a second. That knowledge is the only reason he stays away from me; sometimes it takes more than just the threat of jail to stop a person.
I dont' think anyone is putting his life over hers. Its the fact that some stranger (presumably) just stepped in and murdered someone. If he was the woman's brother, for example, I would be fairly ok with this. But the fact that he didn't know (likely) that the man was a serial abuser and just killed him does horrify me.
Well, having a vicious, murderous tyrant, free to attack how and whom he feels like...., who could easily kill some innocent woman or anyone with his bare hands and psychopathic personality... horrifies me. That this dangerous, woman-blugeoning piece slime perished at the hands of a good samaritan should be a relief. Why should citizens leave EVERYTHING up to someone else (cops) when death to an innocent is quite possibly immanent? I wish there were more people who take responsibility to step up to the plate when another person's life is threatened. That does not mean, as it was purposely misunderstood, that because you don't like something someone is doing, you have a right to shoot them. Of course not! That's the most ridiculous thing ever. We're talking about saving a life here of an innocent person. Speculating whether or not less lethal force would have been effective is ridiculous. Why should the good samaritan put his own life at a higher risk by leaving this piece of crap with the ability to shoot him or otherwise maim or kill him?
That crazed person chose to do what he did. There are consequences to every action and if he didn't get that, too dam bad. Too bad about his child hood. That shouldn't give him the right to keep doing what he's doing.
I can't believe the bleeding hearts over this monster. What about the victims? How many past women has he terrorized before this one? How many more would have come after this one? How many children? I think it's time to think of them. "Violence" (the defender shooting) IS often necessary and to say it doesn't help is illogical. Of course it helped. It stopped him didn't it? If he would have been carted off to jail, you know darn well he'd be out in a flash and probably kill her for certain the next time. Too bad there aren't tougher consequences regularly for vicious criminals. People like that should all be eliminated.
That crazed person chose to do what he did. There are consequences to every action and if he didn't get that, too dam bad. Too bad about his child hood. That shouldn't give him the right to keep doing what he's doing.
I can't believe the bleeding hearts over this monster. What about the victims? How many past women has he terrorized before this one? How many more would have come after this one? How many children? I think it's time to think of them. "Violence" (the defender shooting) IS often necessary and to say it doesn't help is illogical. Of course it helped. It stopped him didn't it? If he would have been carted off to jail, you know darn well he'd be out in a flash and probably kill her for certain the next time. Too bad there aren't tougher consequences regularly for vicious criminals. People like that should all be eliminated.
Good articles with some insight: Why don?t women just leave abusers? ? The Hathor Legacy
Murder and the Reasonable Woman
Murder and the Reasonable Woman
Shooting someone to wound is just giving them an opportunity to shoot you back. You may say "but they're injured and can't fight back" but you should know as well as I do that epinephrine is a powerful thing.
Also you get sued for that ****. You shoot to kill for your physical safety and monetary safety when you live in such a litigious society. As someone else said: dead men tell no tales, meaning they can't hire a good lawyer and lie through their teeth to get revenge on you.
Shoot out a cars tire?! Hell no! Then they lose control of the vehicle and take out someone else!
Also you get sued for that ****. You shoot to kill for your physical safety and monetary safety when you live in such a litigious society. As someone else said: dead men tell no tales, meaning they can't hire a good lawyer and lie through their teeth to get revenge on you.
Shoot out a cars tire?! Hell no! Then they lose control of the vehicle and take out someone else!
Ok i have a question then....
We will talk hypotheticaly
You came up on this scene. Guy is brutally beating this woman. Just laying into her with all he has. Shes screaming for help
You can see shes already Broken and bloodied. The man just wont stop no matter what you say. You threaten to call the cops and he doesnt stop. You call but the
Police cant get there for another 10 minutes. You are the only other person there to help this innocent person.
You try to attack him but to no avail. The only weapon you have is a gun. He's going to beat her to death most certainly. This attacker also has a gun that he could turn on you
What would you do? If you shoot him in the leg he can pull his gun out and shoot you dead. Whats your plan? Do you just walk away hoping the cops get there in time? Do you shoot him in the leg ( just make sure you miss the artery) and hope he doesnt grab his gun and shoot you back?
We will talk hypotheticaly
You came up on this scene. Guy is brutally beating this woman. Just laying into her with all he has. Shes screaming for help
You can see shes already Broken and bloodied. The man just wont stop no matter what you say. You threaten to call the cops and he doesnt stop. You call but the
Police cant get there for another 10 minutes. You are the only other person there to help this innocent person.
You try to attack him but to no avail. The only weapon you have is a gun. He's going to beat her to death most certainly. This attacker also has a gun that he could turn on you
What would you do? If you shoot him in the leg he can pull his gun out and shoot you dead. Whats your plan? Do you just walk away hoping the cops get there in time? Do you shoot him in the leg ( just make sure you miss the artery) and hope he doesnt grab his gun and shoot you back?
Im gonna side with those that think the shooting is justified.
I have a question for those that dont think it was justified.
If you are being beaten, molested, or just generically being violated, should I just let the person continue or should I do whatever is in my power to stop them? Would you feel bad if I stopped the violation by killing the person?
I have a question for those that dont think it was justified.
If you are being beaten, molested, or just generically being violated, should I just let the person continue or should I do whatever is in my power to stop them? Would you feel bad if I stopped the violation by killing the person?
Actually, use of deadly force is legal if necessary to defend the life of a third party. If the woman's life was in danger, the "vigilante" has an affirmative defense and need not have fled the scene... unless he did not have lawful possession of the weapon in question, which could still be a problem.
If I ever had to interfere where I could physically not stop someone from beating someone else... I would pull out my pepper spray I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.
This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
Thou shalt not kill unless its in your best interest or someone else's
^^ that one
ETA: Just for the record, in my PERSONAL beliefs, I do not believe that the 10 commandments are meant for "us"..
They were meant for the people living in those times..
ETAx2: Yes, it does say an eye for an eye, but if we really wanna go there, that means that dude shoulda started beating dude, not shoot him in the face.. right?
^^ that one
ETA: Just for the record, in my PERSONAL beliefs, I do not believe that the 10 commandments are meant for "us"..
They were meant for the people living in those times..
ETAx2: Yes, it does say an eye for an eye, but if we really wanna go there, that means that dude shoulda started beating dude, not shoot him in the face.. right?
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