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If I ever had to interfere where I could physically not stop someone from beating someone else... I would pull out my pepper spray 
I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.
I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.
Sorry but thats almost laughable. I've seen men get tazed and keep going over and over again and you are going to be within ten fifteen feet of someone and pepper spray them and not even know which way the winds blowing
Get pepper sprayed enough and it doesn't do a thing to you anyway(not that I know this form experience or want to). I have had patients come in that say it doesn't even hurt anymore. Depending on what drugs they are on,on how pumped up they are, they will just keep going.
Good luck with that. Please do not intervene with pepper spray.
If I ever had to interfere where I could physically not stop someone from beating someone else... I would pull out my pepper spray I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.
This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
Personally, I'd rather not half-ass things when it comes to self-defense because I have a few silly hangups about protecting myself or those around me with an effective method.
If I ever had to interfere where I could physically not stop someone from beating someone else... I would pull out my pepper spray I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.
This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
I have yet to hear about a human not impacted by it.This is for the utmost emergency. I can disable someone without having to deal with the moral consequences of taking his life.... I wonder, how does that go with the ten commandments for the religious folks here?
I would ask God for his forgiveness. he would know that in my heart I don't WANT to kill anyone
Sorry but thats almost laughable. I've seen men get tazed and keep going over and over again and you are going to be within ten fifteen feet of someone and pepper spray them and not even know which way the winds blowing
Get pepper sprayed enough and it doesn't do a thing to you anyway(not that I know this form experience or want to). I have had patients come in that say it doesn't even hurt anymore. Depending on what drugs they are on,on how pumped up they are, they will just keep going.
Good luck with that. Please do not intervene with pepper spray.
Get pepper sprayed enough and it doesn't do a thing to you anyway(not that I know this form experience or want to). I have had patients come in that say it doesn't even hurt anymore. Depending on what drugs they are on,on how pumped up they are, they will just keep going.
Good luck with that. Please do not intervene with pepper spray.
an old army buddy of Brians was training to be a park ranger and part of the training was to experience what it was like to be sprayed with pepper spray. He said it burned like hell for a few hours lol but it didn't completely incapacitate him or leave him helpless.
Get someone on drugs or with a lot of determination and you might be surprised at how ineffective it can be sometimes.
The Bible says "Eye for an eye" in the old testament. If you believe Jesus came, died for our sins, and was indeed the son of God...........you live by the new testament. You ask forgiveness for your trespasses through him........you no longer need to offer sacrifice since His blood covered it from now until forever
As far as the 10 commandments, well those are good rules to live by no matter what era it is, or what faith you have. The times may change but the basic heart of a human really doesn't Do you think murder, adultery (in whatever form), stealing, lying, and all those were not going on since man began walking around? What makes you think people of today are any different? Technology may change the world around us, but we are still the same savage little creatures we've always been, LOLOL
And to Jules question about how murder fits in with Christians......I can't answer for all, just me. I would much rather ask forgiveness for killing that man than to ask forgiveness for letting the woman die at his hands. Either way I feel a death would be on my hands, I'll opt for the innocent each and every time. Plain and simple.
As far as the 10 commandments, well those are good rules to live by no matter what era it is, or what faith you have. The times may change but the basic heart of a human really doesn't
Do you think murder, adultery (in whatever form), stealing, lying, and all those were not going on since man began walking around? What makes you think people of today are any different? Technology may change the world around us, but we are still the same savage little creatures we've always been, LOLOLAnd to Jules question about how murder fits in with Christians......I can't answer for all, just me. I would much rather ask forgiveness for killing that man than to ask forgiveness for letting the woman die at his hands. Either way I feel a death would be on my hands, I'll opt for the innocent each and every time. Plain and simple.
The Bible says "Eye for an eye" in the old testament. If you believe Jesus came, died for our sins, and was indeed the son of God...........you live by the new testament. You ask forgiveness for your trespasses through him........you no longer need to offer sacrifice since His blood covered it from now until forever
As far as the 10 commandments, well those are good rules to live by no matter what era it is, or what faith you have. The times may change but the basic heart of a human really doesn't Do you think murder, adultery (in whatever form), stealing, lying, and all those were not going on since man began walking around? What makes you think people of today are any different? Technology may change the world around us, but we are still the same savage little creatures we've always been, LOLOL
Do you think murder, adultery (in whatever form), stealing, lying, and all those were not going on since man began walking around? What makes you think people of today are any different? Technology may change the world around us, but we are still the same savage little creatures we've always been, LOLOL
people do "bad" **** all the time doesnt make it right! Even if its to "free" mankind from so called "scum" walking around..
and nothing gonna change how I feel about it, whether the bible and/or laws say its "ok" or not...
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THIS THIS THIS.
It bears repeating over and over. If you're going to beat the hell out of someone, don't expect people to stand by and "mind their own business". Especially not when you do it publicly.
If I carried a gun and I ever saw someone savagely beating or raping another person, you bet your ass I'd shoot them if they refused to stop. I'd rather see a rapist/abuser dead than see an innocent life taken by a person like that.
It bears repeating over and over. If you're going to beat the hell out of someone, don't expect people to stand by and "mind their own business". Especially not when you do it publicly.
If I carried a gun and I ever saw someone savagely beating or raping another person, you bet your ass I'd shoot them if they refused to stop. I'd rather see a rapist/abuser dead than see an innocent life taken by a person like that.
I guess again this comes down to living in a country where we can't just wander round blowing out each others brains.....
And trust me, a guy seen hitting a woman on the street would get his come-uppance, in a much different way.
The fact that bothers me is that this man knew NOTHING about the scene he was witnessing yet felt he could play judge and jury.
And trust me, a guy seen hitting a woman on the street would get his come-uppance, in a much different way.
The fact that bothers me is that this man knew NOTHING about the scene he was witnessing yet felt he could play judge and jury.
You (or we) don't know that's a fact at all. This man may have seen this happening before, may live (or used to live) close by and heard beatings going on, he may have seen the woman walking about with a bashed up face before............who knows?
That article doesn't offer many facts, and my gut tells me the neighborhood most likely knows who this shooter is and they aren't turning over on him............
That article doesn't offer many facts, and my gut tells me the neighborhood most likely knows who this shooter is and they aren't turning over on him............
It reads as if he is a stranger passing by.
And you can't presume either answer is correct.
This who scenario is so scary because that person is deciding which act warrents blowing someone's face off, and which doesn't.
They are no expert in judging what is happening what so ever. And next time that "hero" might shoot someone totally innocent.
No matter how you dress it up, he is a reckless thug. Just as reckless as the man he shot.
And you can't presume either answer is correct.
This who scenario is so scary because that person is deciding which act warrents blowing someone's face off, and which doesn't.
They are no expert in judging what is happening what so ever. And next time that "hero" might shoot someone totally innocent.
No matter how you dress it up, he is a reckless thug. Just as reckless as the man he shot.
And sometimes in a situation, there is only one person to decide what to do because there's NOBODY ELSE around or willing to act.
That man could very well be a thug himself, I said pages ago that was very likely because he's walking around a bad neighborhood at night with a gun. Doesn't mean he is, just appears he might be less than squeaky clean himself. Still doesn't change the fact that something bad was going down, he intervened with WORDS first and was basically threatened (the beater got in his face I believe it said) for it. He didn't just see it going on, walk up, whip out his gun and start shooting.
If that had been a police officer who asked this man to stop and the man ignored him or acted threateningly towards him, I'd expect the cop to STOP HIM however he could. Period.
I'm not a doctor, but I've given medical care when I've been the only option available in bad situations. Sometimes a 'non professional' is all you've got, and if you're in a tough situation I'll wager you'll be very happy for that 'non professional'.
That man could very well be a thug himself, I said pages ago that was very likely because he's walking around a bad neighborhood at night with a gun. Doesn't mean he is, just appears he might be less than squeaky clean himself. Still doesn't change the fact that something bad was going down, he intervened with WORDS first and was basically threatened (the beater got in his face I believe it said) for it. He didn't just see it going on, walk up, whip out his gun and start shooting.
If that had been a police officer who asked this man to stop and the man ignored him or acted threateningly towards him, I'd expect the cop to STOP HIM however he could. Period.
I'm not a doctor, but I've given medical care when I've been the only option available in bad situations. Sometimes a 'non professional' is all you've got, and if you're in a tough situation I'll wager you'll be very happy for that 'non professional'.
In that situation I would be contacting the professionals.
Simple as.
I have known people to step into fights and split people up using force, but the fact is - he stepped up, asked once, then shot him in the face.
Doesn't seem to me like he tried really hard.
And I can promise you, on my life, Bodhi's life and all the people I love - there is NO WAY I would be happy for someone blowing out anyone's brains on my behalf if I was the woman in this scenario.
Simple as.
I have known people to step into fights and split people up using force, but the fact is - he stepped up, asked once, then shot him in the face.
Doesn't seem to me like he tried really hard.
And I can promise you, on my life, Bodhi's life and all the people I love - there is NO WAY I would be happy for someone blowing out anyone's brains on my behalf if I was the woman in this scenario.
I don't have the energy to respond to each and every answer...
I just think that the escalation from "Hey, stop" to blowing someone's brains out a bit... uhm, radical?
But like Dizzy said, I think this discussion boils down to a cultural clash.
I just hope nobody here ever gets into a bar fight since a new acceptable standard on how to break it up has been set.
I just think that the escalation from "Hey, stop" to blowing someone's brains out a bit... uhm, radical?
But like Dizzy said, I think this discussion boils down to a cultural clash.
I just hope nobody here ever gets into a bar fight since a new acceptable standard on how to break it up has been set.