Some Pit Education

Dogs in this condition are not the norm in the pet world, nor the AKC/UKC conformation or performance world, so it does look out of the ordinary for the majority of us, thus the questions and comments. Thank you for your patience.

Can you further explain this comment? I assume he was being exercised heavily in order to require more food, right? Otherwise, I'll admit I'm confused!

Apperently that was explained allready, Im waiting for the full version.

I think we're dealing with feeding questions on two different dogs. Might be the same circumstance, but I wasn't sure.

To be basic, since she is a mainly a house dog (basically a pet) at this time, it isn't really about a balance between exercise and diet, but simply about optimal weight. Although, she is extremely active, highly energetic, and unbelievably out-going, she gets little to no purposeful exercise whatsoever... health is usually a combination of exercise and diet, but a naturally active dog doesn't have to be exercised to be healthy.

The "he" is not her dog as they already stated. Although I am surprised gamedog's is familiar with his food intake. The first picture in this thread is Gamedog's , a she.
And apparently she is a house dog with muscles equal to the hulk....

Yes, which is the reason I included "but simply worked."

I'm not sure who the "her" is because I am a he, but I'm glad I surprised you, and just to let you know, he was exactly (within a half of a pound) 51lbs in that picture. And, if you see her as "a house dog with muscles equal to the hulk" then, I guess I should take that as a compliment. If you are being facetious or sarcastic, then the only thing I can state is fact, if you believe them to be inacurate, that is on you... what you "think" about something relating to me means nothing to me.

Oops, I see that now. Thanks for the clarification.

Thank you for the further explanation.

As this is a Pit specific thread any further knowlege you have would be welcome at any time and would be welcomed without further solicitation. Any knowlege at all pertaining to Pits this is the place for it. You want to dispel myths on Pit breeds, this is the place. Educate us, show us more pics, and show us prime examples of the breed/s with titles champions or better yet Therapy and SAR dogs and CGCs. Feel free to spout out here, dont wait and act deffensive at responses or hold back with your experience with the breeds.

You obviously want your breed to be held in the best light possible, dont make us pull teeth to get the info out of you. Relax a little with your posts.

I like that idea. If any of your dogs are competitive in sports, I'd love to see more pics (especially weight pull).

I am totally relaxed with my posts, there is no room for emotion in any discussion... and I believe you have the wrong impression of me. As I've already explained to the person that closed the original thread, the only reason I am here is because of the accusations and theoretical "facts" mentioned about my dog without knowledge of anything related to her, me, or anything else, based simply upon a "picture."

If you (basically, members on this forum) are interested in learning something about "this breed" (APBTs specifically), you are more than welcome to either visit, frequent, or read the discussions on my site, game-dog.com, or register there and advertise this thread with exactly what you expect out of the discussion included.

Again, my only purpose here is for the inaccuracies and assumptions made toward the pictures that were posted, and most (not all) questions related to them. If you want anything more, I can not possibly be the only one to be of service to you.

Since I don't do weight pull, and most people think of showing as competitive, here are a few show pictures.

Best of Opposite and Best of Show:


Best of Opposite:


Best of Show:


They are littermates.

So you have nothing to add other than to defend the pictures in the closed thread?

Good day to you sir. You where given a chance to expound on your breed of choice and you chose to only defend pics on a closed thread, instead of increasing our knowlege with yours on your breed of choice.

Im not inerested in joining another forum, much less one that is breed specific.

There are plenty of Pit owners here that I can turn to for knowlege of the breed/s so I can do without your board, your knowlege would still be very welcome here if you are interested.

Your posts are very uptight, like a stick is somewhere it shouldnt be. Take a step back mellow out a little, and reread your posts, you may not have a poorly placed stick but thats how you come off.

COI.

I've stayed up long past my bedtime to read all 6 pages of this, hoping to get the same indepth look into APBT's that we've had on Dobermans, GSD's and a couple other breeds by those who own and have a lot of that little-known knowledge the rest of us don't. I cant' say that I've learned much, sadly, because the information presented is incredibly generic. Great, my dogs are house dogs, fed an optimum premium food and get plenty of exercise as well, which apparently is something these particular dogs lack and just one day wake up with these "popped" muscles; no explination was forth-coming I saw. My dogs still don't look like that...though Virgo was close, in my opinion. I'll have to pull up that picture for another thread.

Alright, I don't want to start something by saying this...but I just can't NOT say it.

The picture of the male pit...you can see at least four ribs, and it looks to me like there's two-three backbones visable. That doesn't happen unless the dog is underweight. Period.

Yes, some breeds are more slender than others, I'm sure Saluki people have a terrible time convincing their neighbors that their dogs are not starved, but even on a Saluki in perfect weight you don't see backbones or ribs that visible. Likewise on Pits.

If he was eating 8 cups of food per day and he STILL looked that way, then I have to wonder if there's something wrong healthwise that's causing him to not gain weight.

Sure, he's got muscles. But he's also too thin from the looks of that picture. A dog can be ripped and still underweight.

I've never seen anything like this before outside of a body building comp. A friend of mine was an international drug-free body building champ, and he talks a lot about the art of looking 'ripped' like that. Apart from genetic variation, the basics are:

1. Maintaining an extremely low body fat. This is the only way that the muscles can show - my removing the smoothing effect of the fat which is normally under the skin. There is much debate in human circles about how healthy such extremely low BMIs are...
2. Working out!
3. Enough protein.
4. Prior to show day, intentional dehydration. :yikes: Hopefully no-one does that with their dogs!

...but bone isn't supposed to show. I must say the when I saw the second dog, the first thing that struck me was that I can see its spine and hip bones - a measure of 'gone way too far' in my book. However, Gamedogs says that he doesn't see these things, which is very puzzling. I don't know about game dogs but it's physiologically stressful for other animals to be so extremely lean, so...?

(Actually I was only curious to read about it at all because I found myself so taken aback by the tone of Gamedogs' early posts - how aggressive/defensive/hypersensitive they appear in response to what seem to be extremely moderate and neutral-toned questions and comments. Instinctively I found it a bit frightening actually. Glad I'm not in the same room. (Was that a little direct? Oh well!) It's interesting how even in writing one can see people treading so lightly with Gamedogs, to (understandably) attempt to avoid tripping that hairtrigger.*)

Del.

*Edit: Except Blue's 'stick diagnosis' :lol-sign: !! opcorn:

Underweight and conditioned, compared to underweight and starved are completely two different things. In the picture of the male, the same day the picture was taken, he could have easilly ran as fast, or faster than any human can run for 3+ hours and not miss a step if he wanted to. Underweight, by looks, doesn't include performance dogs conditioned to their peak performance level... and as I've said, if the dog was not being worked, he would have been eating 3-4 cups instead of 7-8 (or more) to be at that size.

Nice edit. Very nice looking dogs.

Now those are way nicer looking dogs - much healthier.

Both still equal a skinny dog assuming the exercise (or "conditiong") burns more calories than the dog is taking in. That's the same as starving.

You should not be able to see ribs and backbones so visible on a performance dog or not. Feel them easily without pressing? Sure. See one or two ribs? Okay. But not four ribs and certainly not backbone as well.

Alright, well what about these pictures taken the same day of the same dogs, in a different light?





At least we all have our own opinions.

Thanks for posting more pics. I have noticed that in many of the pics (your show pics and others I've seen elsewhere) they seem to be pulling against the leads when they are photographed - is that just their natural stance or is that something you try to get them to do, ie a specific pose to show muscle?