Some Pit Education
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I'm not really sure exactly what you are asking, but every picture posted (at the show) are a combination of natrual stance and handling, the only thing that the handler is trying to get them to do is stand to the side rather than standing, or facing, the front or the back.
If that is the case, why is it that the judge, who has had extensive experience with the breed, as well as the breed standard, chose them over 103 dogs total that day? And the next day, with more dogs, and a different judge, they received first and second place in their class?
If that is the case, why is it that the judge, who has had extensive experience with the breed, as well as the breed standard, chose them over 103 dogs total that day? And the next day, with more dogs, and a different judge, they received first and second place in their class?
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I think it's a misconception that performance dogs need to be underweight. I'm willing to bet the top dogs in agility, disk dog, weight pulling, etc. are no where near that underweight yet they're still in top condition.
So I'm wondering, what dog sport do you participate in that requires a dog to have so little body fat? Unless you mentioned this before and I just missed it?
So I'm wondering, what dog sport do you participate in that requires a dog to have so little body fat? Unless you mentioned this before and I just missed it?
Misconception, miss communication, or misinterpretation, the fact is that the male, which is not my dog, posted is in perfect "working" condition. Since the dog is not my own, your last question is irrelevant especially since I have already mentioned the only so-called "sport" that "I'm" involved in.
The best in show male, for instance, is straining against the leash instead of standing square. He may just be excited, or do you have people off camera encouraging him to do that? I'm wondering if it's a preferred stance or just coincidence. I don't know ADBA rules or conformation standards, which is why I ask.
There are no people, other than handlers of other dogs, and dogs around them (excluding the judge and the person who helps them carry things and jot down information). So there is no one encouraging them to stand in any specific stance, pulling or not. If you are referring to the picture with him and the trophy, there were only 5 people in the ring or anywhere close at the time (no other dogs, other than the two), 3 of them are in the picture, 2 holding the dogs and the judge, the other 2 were taking pictures.
Just for your information, here are the ADBA Breed Standards and although they have been greatly modified over the years, those 2 (actually all 4 mentioned) are and would have been true to standard under any of the changes.
Just for your information, here are the ADBA Breed Standards and although they have been greatly modified over the years, those 2 (actually all 4 mentioned) are and would have been true to standard under any of the changes.
Because of the criteria used in the standard.
Winning body builders aren't 'healthy' by usual standards either, and they know it. They push themselves to the absolute limit in order to win a competition based on criteria which are known to be unhealthy at that level. A dog with an extremely squashed up nose - if it's a pug - may win a competition but never in its life be truly comfortable.
The question is whether one feels that the potential health and wellbeing downsides of pursuing such extreme physical features in our fellow creatures, so that humans can win competitions with them, can be justified. These dogs don't look that bad, but they appear to be pushing the boundaries.
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Winning body builders aren't 'healthy' by usual standards either, and they know it. They push themselves to the absolute limit in order to win a competition based on criteria which are known to be unhealthy at that level. A dog with an extremely squashed up nose - if it's a pug - may win a competition but never in its life be truly comfortable.
The question is whether one feels that the potential health and wellbeing downsides of pursuing such extreme physical features in our fellow creatures, so that humans can win competitions with them, can be justified. These dogs don't look that bad, but they appear to be pushing the boundaries.
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Hmmm. Never mind. I checked out your site and I only had to read one thread to find out what you mean by 'working'. Somehow I don't think that's gonna fly around here.
Maybe you can tell me why this thread seems slanted towards dog fighting, rather than against it? I cringed to read about baiting, and facing two dogs toward each other just so they'd run faster on the treadmill.
Please. Tell me you're not promoting dog fighitng over there? Maybe I'm reading that whole post wrong and if so please feel free to correct me.
ETA: I think it's pretty clear from reading THIS thread that I just found while riffiling through your forum, that you do indeed have folks that fight dogs there. Discussing how long a dog has to fight to make it "game" and what happens to the dogs if they "cur" or give up in a fight...yeah...I'm thinking there's no good way to explain away a thread like that.
The fact that no moderator or admin put a stop to the discussion makes me think you promote dog fighting, or at the very least passivly allow members to discuss the topic (members who clearly fight dogs) without making it clear that you DON'T advocate it.
Maybe you can tell me why this thread seems slanted towards dog fighting, rather than against it? I cringed to read about baiting, and facing two dogs toward each other just so they'd run faster on the treadmill.
Please. Tell me you're not promoting dog fighitng over there? Maybe I'm reading that whole post wrong and if so please feel free to correct me.
ETA: I think it's pretty clear from reading THIS thread that I just found while riffiling through your forum, that you do indeed have folks that fight dogs there. Discussing how long a dog has to fight to make it "game" and what happens to the dogs if they "cur" or give up in a fight...yeah...I'm thinking there's no good way to explain away a thread like that.
The fact that no moderator or admin put a stop to the discussion makes me think you promote dog fighting, or at the very least passivly allow members to discuss the topic (members who clearly fight dogs) without making it clear that you DON'T advocate it.
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The fact is: just a little extra fat on a dog during a hard competition can cause it to overheat quickly, and/or simply slow it down. Take a greyhound for example; these dogs must be lean and healthy to be able to run like they do. Please check out some pics of conditioned greyhounds if you get a chance. A conditioned dog is NOT an underweight dog. It isn't the same as body-building competitions. A sporting dog is conditioned for performance, not for looks. A good conditioner will find the perfect performance weight for a given dog, and not go an ounce under it. The athletic canine must be strong, fast, and agile, with a high degree of stamina to compete in some of the more grueling competitions, such as weightpull, hog-hunting, agility, racing, etc. An underweight dog will generally be too weak, slow, and unhealthy to be much of a competitor.
And yes, certain poses and lighting can most definitely make a dog appear more "ripped." A dog pulling against a lead while exhaling will absolutely be a different picture than one of the same dog eating or laying around
.Here's another pic of the male in the first picture:
Also, two different pics of the same female, taken the same day:
The fact is: just a little extra fat on a dog during a hard competition can cause it to overheat quickly, and/or simply slow it down. Take a greyhound for example; these dogs must be lean and healthy to be able to run like they do. Please check out some pics of conditioned greyhounds if you get a chance. A conditioned dog is NOT an underweight dog. It isn't the same as body-building competitions. A sporting dog is conditioned for performance, not for looks. A good conditioner will find the perfect performance weight for a given dog, and not go an ounce under it. The athletic canine must be strong, fast, and agile, with a high degree of stamina to compete in some of the more grueling competitions, such as weightpull, hog-hunting, agility, racing, etc. An underweight dog will generally be too weak, slow, and unhealthy to be much of a competitor.
And yes, certain poses and lighting can most definitely make a dog appear more "ripped." A dog pulling against a lead while exhaling will absolutely be a different picture than one of the same dog eating or laying around.
Here's another pic of the male in the first picture:
Also, two different pics of the same female, taken the same day:
And yes, certain poses and lighting can most definitely make a dog appear more "ripped." A dog pulling against a lead while exhaling will absolutely be a different picture than one of the same dog eating or laying around
.Here's another pic of the male in the first picture:
Also, two different pics of the same female, taken the same day:
i see now.. wow. what a difference
well then how do you know they're game if they haven't been fought? because you can't tell if a dog is going to be game unless you fight them, and your dog can't be "game bred" unless its parents have been fought and proven game.
my dogs are american pit bull terriers, too, and i have no idea if they're game or not, and i don't really care. i know that luce is drivey as hell, smart as a whip, and a wonderful companion, and that's what matters to me.
my dogs are american pit bull terriers, too, and i have no idea if they're game or not, and i don't really care. i know that luce is drivey as hell, smart as a whip, and a wonderful companion, and that's what matters to me.
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