Who's watching the Its Me or The Dog Episode right now?

[Maxy24]

I know for cats double stick tape can work, they don't like the feeling of it on their feet. When you leave you could try putting that on the edge of the counter...of course it would have to come off every time you got home so that would be annoying. Eventually the dog would stop trying since every time he's done it he's gotten sticky paws and then you could stop taping. I'm not sure if dogs feel the same way as cats do about it, might depend on each dog.

 

[Squishy22]

I know for cats double stick tape can work, they don't like the feeling of it on their feet. When you leave you could try putting that on the edge of the counter...of course it would have to come off every time you got home so that would be annoying. Eventually the dog would stop trying since every time he's done it he's gotten sticky paws and then you could stop taping. I'm not sure if dogs feel the same way as cats do about it, might depend on each dog.

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I just got the funniest visual. Great idea. I'm gonna try it.

 

[Doberluv]

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My chihuahua, Pebbles, got caught surfing my kitchen table 3 times in the past month. One day, we are all leaving... we go out the car and I turn around to go back inside because I forgot my purse. I opened the door and see pebbles standing on the table staring at me. Within 2 seconds she jumps off the table as fast as she can.

This happened 2 more times. So now, I've started to keep the table free of any goodies. I have caught her on Madisons high chair as well... eating bits of food left.

Same problem with the cat, but worse. He will jump up there when everyone is in the house.

I keep on telling my fiance... DONT leave food up there!!!! After awhile of not finding anything good up there to eat, I figured they would get bored of it and eventually give up. I am not sure what else to do.

LOL! I've got one for ya: Someone, actually a gal who use to post here has a few Doxies. She has to move her kitchen chairs which have casters on the feet way down the hall before she leaves for work. She has seen (I'd almost have to see with my own eyes. LOL!) her dogs put their front feet on the chair seat and walk with their hind legs, wheeling the chairs up to the counter and then jumping from one to the other to get at things on the counter. That defies almost what we think of dog's cognitive abilities....quite a complex, problem solving behavior chain, not of a social nature, which was not trained like a trick from humans. Like I said, I'd almost have to see it to believe it.:rofl1:

 

[Squishy22]

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LOL! I've got one for ya: Someone, actually a gal who use to post here has a few Doxies. She has to move her kitchen chairs which have casters on the feet way down the hall before she leaves for work. She has seen (I'd almost have to see with my own eyes. LOL!) her dogs put their front feet on the chair seat and walk with their hind legs, wheeling the chairs up to the counter and then jumping from one to the other to get at things on the counter. That defies almost what we think of dog's cognitive abilities....quite a complex, problem solving behavior chain, not of a social nature, which was not trained like a trick from humans. Like I said, I'd almost have to see it to believe it.:rofl1:

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I think dogs are smarter than we give them credit for. Some dogs will do ANYTHING for food!!! I push my chairs in when I leave. They are too heavy for a 6 pound dog to push around... at least I hope!

 

[PWCorgi]

LOL! I've got one for ya: Someone, actually a gal who use to post here has a few Doxies. She has to move her kitchen chairs which have casters on the feet way down the hall before she leaves for work. She has seen (I'd almost have to see with my own eyes. LOL!) her dogs put their front feet on the chair seat and walk with their hind legs, wheeling the chairs up to the counter and then jumping from one to the other to get at things on the counter. That defies almost what we think of dog's cognitive abilities....quite a complex, problem solving behavior chain, not of a social nature, which was not trained like a trick from humans. Like I said, I'd almost have to see it to believe it

ROFL! I think my two and those doxies have been talking!
This is how Izzy became the "circular corgi" a while ago. Frodo pushed the foot stool over to the stove, climbed up and got the loaf of bread off the top of the microwave. Then, I'm assuming because she is such a bully around food, Izzy took it from him and ate the whole loaf. When I got home she was so stuffed full of bread she had lost control of her bowels and I think she was going into shock (her gums were white, she was panting like crazy and her eyes were bulging) O.O
They're smart enough to produce that chain to get the bread off the microwave, they're just not smart enough to not eat the whole loaf once it's down.

 

[Doberluv]

Oh Gawd! That sounds awful....a whole loaf of bread. Dogs can be so gluttonous and gross.

Well, I'm sure there are exceptions, but......"studies show"...lol, that dogs do not excell at solving puzzles that are not of a social nature, not depedent on humans giving cues. Wolves and Chimps excell at near impossible tasks and will work and work to try to solve the puzzle. Dogs usually give up right away unless a human is involved. They'll look to the human for social cues like pointing or staring at the object. It is shown that dogs do are not very good at an ends to means cognition. For example, they do not see the value of pulling a string attached to food over not pulling the string to get the food which is behind something like bars on a cage. Chimps get that right off the bat. But dogs beat out the wolves and chimps in puzzles that involve humans giving them signals. I'm sure you've read all that. But that is why some of these stories suprise me. Like I said, it could be there are exceptions OR that they have already evolved since the last time I read something. LOL. I think evolutionary, adaptive behaviors are fascinating. To think that some behvaiors can be learned due to environmental pressures, but then become, over time, inherent is an interesting study.

 

[perla123]

Its a frustrating problem. I think the best thing to do is just keep the garbage and food put up and away. Pebbles isnt daring enough to do it when we are home, but as soon as we step out the door... she jumps right up on the table.

Have you tried putting dominos on the counter? We did this with Kiana every time she tried to go on the counter she would nock the dominos, so after couple of tries she got the point and stop jumping on the counter.

 

[TheGoldenRetriever]

Have you tried putting dominos on the counter? We did this with Kiana every time she tried to go on the counter she would nock the dominos, so after couple of tries she got the point and stop jumping on the counter.

I suggested something similar to my sister for her Miniature Schnauzer who was getting up onto dining room chairs to steal food off the table.

But instead of dominos I suggested empty aluminum pie plates .. the round silver ones. These are very light-weight and cannot hurt the dog even if they fall on him ... but they do make an awful and unexpected racket when they fall. The first time he knocked a couple of those pie plates to the marble tile floor of their dining room, it scared him and he stole no food. The second time it happened he never got up onto a dining room chair again.

He wasn't traumatized or anything, but instead of being rewarded with stolen food he got that unexpected noise and decided it wasn't worth trying again. So glad she called me before trying what one of her friends had suggested!! Her friend thought loaded mouse traps on the table might be a good idea. :yikes: Ya sure, ... if you want to chance him getting his little paw caught in one! The pie plates worked just fine ... and no injuries!

 

[Dekka]

Oh Gawd! That sounds awful....a whole loaf of bread. Dogs can be so gluttonous and gross.

Well, I'm sure there are exceptions, but......"studies show"...lol, that dogs do not excell at solving puzzles that are not of a social nature, not depedent on humans giving cues. Wolves and Chimps excell at near impossible tasks and will work and work to try to solve the puzzle. Dogs usually give up right away unless a human is involved. They'll look to the human for social cues like pointing or staring at the object. It is shown that dogs do are not very good at an ends to means cognition. For example, they do not see the value of pulling a string attached to food over not pulling the string to get the food which is behind something like bars on a cage. Chimps get that right off the bat. But dogs beat out the wolves and chimps in puzzles that involve humans giving them signals. I'm sure you've read all that. But that is why some of these stories suprise me. Like I said, it could be there are exceptions OR that they have already evolved since the last time I read something. LOL. I think evolutionary, adaptive behaviors are fascinating. To think that some behvaiors can be learned due to environmental pressures, but then become, over time, inherent is an interesting study.

LOL they need to use JRTs. I joke that my entire house is a 'busy toy' for the JRTs. People come and stay and put things 'up' in such away that normal dogs would never get too. Dekka is amazingly persistent. And I know there are often no human cues as she does it when no one is around (usually as it involves doing things she knows is not acceptable in a human's presence.)

 

[Doberluv]

They can suprise us with uncanny abilities sometimes. I've seen some things that required more thinking than meets the eye. It is hard though to sift out the variables to determine just what exactly is going on.

Dekka sounds like Jose`. He is incredibly clever and very, very persistent when it comes to wanting food. It's really quite annoying sometimes. And it's hard when you have multiple dogs. You get to trusting most of them.....like Lyric, Chuli and Toker wouldn't steal food from my console in my car and would stay put in the back when I'd pop into a store just for a minute. But not Jose`. Oh no. He'd go through fire, a tornado or a pack of wolves to get to my burger and fries. (well, maybe there's a little exageration there) LOL.

 

[Dekka]

Carrie did you see my thread "why people may not want to live with a JRT"?

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77353

Sometimes I just want 'normal dogs'

 

[Squishy22]

Have you tried putting dominos on the counter? We did this with Kiana every time she tried to go on the counter she would nock the dominos, so after couple of tries she got the point and stop jumping on the counter.

Nope, haven't tried it. Good idea as well.

 

[Doberluv]

I just went and read it but replied here because the tags and smileys aren't working for me there.

"Jrts are not for the faint of heart and one has to have a huge sense of humor.........either that or they would drive you nuts."

I never thought of myself as faint of heart or without a sense of humor. That has all changed now. I guess I am all those things and more. That sounds beyond stimulating to me, especially the dogs on the roof!:yikes: You are brave. Have fun while my boring Chi's and mutt relax and snooze away the day when I'm gone.:rofl1:

 

[polly_pop]

Did anyone else think that episode was kind of weird?

Wouldn't it have been easier to let the dogs out to poop one at a time, clean up the poop immediately, and only let them all out together after they've finished pooping? The whole flag system was kind of crazy and complicated; it seemed like something that was better as an idea than it was in practice.

Also. Five poop eating pugs. UGH! :yikes:

 

[Doberluv]

I thought it was a little weird too, but having one poop eating dog, (never his own poo though, just Chuli's) I know how hard it can be sometimes to clean up immediately. I let them out in the early morning and stand on my porch in my jammies and slippers. The grass may be all wet and I'm not ready to go out there yet. But to let it build up more than a few deposits is just asking for it.

The flags I think were like a "gimmick" or prop to use for TV. (?) She uses lots of props to make things more visual and interesting to the viewers I think, because it's a TV show. I mean, they may be good because they're a real, physical marker thing or something to make a more definite association type deal. (everytime you see these flags, it really means leave it. It means it more than it ever means it. LOL.) But really, why get them to be a part of the cue (so to speak)? I just taught leave it in more of a regular way (treats in the closed fist) and use that. It works just as well. The main component is to reinforce with something better than poo right after the dog leaves it. Every time. And prevention. It's not ever likely to train the dog to not eat poop if the owner isn't around. The only way to do that would be to use an aversive that comes from some automatic device....where the owner is not present. And unless it is harsh enough, the dog could get habituated to that aversive and go right through it to get to the poo. I think that's just ridiculous...it's not that big of a deal imo. It's what dogs do...some dogs...it's normal. They are gross. But I've never gotten any diseases from poop eating dogs. On the other hand, those dogs were super gross. They got it all over their chins and man...were they ever disgusting. I don't have quite that excessive problem.

 

[polly_pop]

Well, that was the thing. Looking at their yard, it was just flagged all over the place, and they were standing around, watching the dogs go, "Ooh! A flag! There's poop over there!" and then trot over to eat it. In the meantime, couldn't they have been, uh, picking up the poo?

I know it's not always fun to go out and stand around waiting for a dog to poop, but geeze, no one ever said owning dogs was all fun, all the time. It's inconvenient that I can't just throw toys and bones on the floor, but if I do, there will be dog fights. It's inconvenient that I can't just head out to the dog park and let my dogs roam and play with all the other dogs, because some of them are reactive towards strange dogs.

You do what you have to do to deal with the training or behavior issues you have. If that means letting the worst poop offender out first, or heading out to scoop poop before you've had your morning coffee, that's just what you have to do.

Not disagreeing with you, BTW, obviously. I just don't get the ep.

Honestly, I probably would have tethered them in separate areas of the yard, and allowed them off their tethers once they'd pooped and I'd cleaned it.

 

[Squishy22]

I thought the flags were an unnecessary step. I thought it was ridiculous to watch them run around flagging all the poop when they could have been picking it up instead.

 

[TheGoldenRetriever]

I thought it was ridiculous to watch them run around flagging all the poop when they could have been picking it up instead.

Same thought!!

While watching was thinking: "Instead of finding the 'doggie pies' and flagging them ... wouldn't it be just as easy to pick up the poo?"

But on reflection it seems the point of the flags was to teach them the "Leave it!" command ... then transfer that knowledge to the poo piles. Recall VS saying that later on the flags would not be needed.

But I'm with an earldier poster .... 5 poo-eating dogs?!? :yikes:
Glad that's never been a problem with any of my dogs. Ewwww!!

 

[elegy]

Sometimes I just want 'normal dogs'

me too. :rofl1:

 

[Squishy22]

Same thought!!

While watching was thinking: "Instead of finding the 'doggie pies' and flagging them ... wouldn't it be just as easy to pick up the poo?"

But on reflection it seems the point of the flags was to teach them the "Leave it!" command ... then transfer that knowledge to the poo piles. Recall VS saying that later on the flags would not be needed.

But I'm with an earldier poster .... 5 poo-eating dogs?!? :yikes:
Glad that's never been a problem with any of my dogs. Ewwww!!

I would so die if I had that many dogs who ate poop. How disgusting. I wouldn't want to let them in the house or come close to them because they might lick me. LOL. Pebbles issue with rolling in poo is worse enough for me.