Who's watching the Its Me or The Dog Episode right now?
- Thread starter Sweet72947
- Start date
I really like Victoria, and I enjoyed the episode. I can't wait for next week!
I've seen Fat Dogs several times before, its so frustrating! I have to change the channel!
actually it happens all the time. Some people think that raising a dog in a house with dogs is enough to make them good with all dogs - so they don't get socialization with other dogs, and this is an example of what happens to them...
I've seen Fat Dogs several times before, its so frustrating! I have to change the channel!
actually it happens all the time. Some people think that raising a dog in a house with dogs is enough to make them good with all dogs - so they don't get socialization with other dogs, and this is an example of what happens to them...
Last night's was also the first one where she was in the USA, so the show style was a little different, I really liked that it was an hour, not just a half an hour like it used to be, you got to see more training not just little tidbits of info before she left to let them try it on their own. I hope that they eventually have an episode where we can see what happens with the dogs and how they turn out. I like Victoria, sometimes the whole pack theory bothers me, like in the Teddy Pom Pom episode that they show like every day where she shows everyone being below Teddy in the pack, that I don't agree with but so long as she does not go about it in the forceful way most trainers do it does not bother me *that* much.
There is a Stillwell forum where a few of the owners from the show are on including the owner of Zulu and Chaos (the Bull Terrier who humped a lot and has since passed on due to liver failure ).
There is a Stillwell forum where a few of the owners from the show are on including the owner of Zulu and Chaos (the Bull Terrier who humped a lot and has since passed on due to liver failure
).
Besides anything else, I can't believe she gave her parents four of her dogs because they pee in the house! I still live with my mom, but whenever I move out and support myself, I'm not going to get 5 dogs, then when they start peeing in my new house, say, "Here, Mom, they're peeing in my house. Will you take them? Let them pee in your house. Mine is too nice."
Then she gets another dog?! I do like Victoria Stillwell very much.
The new episode I'm watching now... YUCK... these pugs are eating their own feces, and it gets smashed into the face. Sorry... gross!
She was talking about puppy mills and breeding for profit - we can tell she's as passionate about this as we are
Oh, and if anyone wants to watch past episodes you can get them here as well
http://video.discovery.com/
She was talking about puppy mills and breeding for profit - we can tell she's as passionate about this as we are
Oh, and if anyone wants to watch past episodes you can get them here as well
http://video.discovery.com/
S
Last night's was also the first one where she was in the USA, so the show style was a little different, I really liked that it was an hour, not just a half an hour like it used to be, you got to see more training not just little tidbits of info before she left to let them try it on their own. I hope that they eventually have an episode where we can see what happens with the dogs and how they turn out. I like Victoria, sometimes the whole pack theory bothers me, like in the Teddy Pom Pom episode that they show like every day where she shows everyone being below Teddy in the pack, that I don't agree with but so long as she does not go about it in the forceful way most trainers do it does not bother me *that* much.
There is a Stillwell forum where a few of the owners from the show are on including the owner of Zulu and Chaos (the Bull Terrier who humped a lot and has since passed on due to liver failure ).
There is a Stillwell forum where a few of the owners from the show are on including the owner of Zulu and Chaos (the Bull Terrier who humped a lot and has since passed on due to liver failure
).
I think she's great! I love her show. I also don't agree with everything like the pack theory over-load and I even saw her tell an owner to eat a cracker first before feeding the dog...to be like the alpha. That is just goofy. The reasons her methods work is because they're working off of behavioral law. It just can look like it's pack theory. You can make it fit. LOL.
But I do love the way she handles dogs AND people. (someone said they thought she was rude.) I don't think that at all. She tells it like it is. The communication is precise, no wishy washy "polite" beat around the bush nonsense. This is the way it is if you want this problem solved. Period.
I wish it could be found on Canada's stations. Too bad Doc. Maybe you can find it on DVD. (?)
But I do love the way she handles dogs AND people. (someone said they thought she was rude.) I don't think that at all. She tells it like it is. The communication is precise, no wishy washy "polite" beat around the bush nonsense. This is the way it is if you want this problem solved. Period.
I wish it could be found on Canada's stations. Too bad Doc. Maybe you can find it on DVD. (?)
LOL Reggin. Well, when you think about, some of those dogs are flat out DANGEROUS. (or should we call it "red zone?") Or some are so awful with peeing, whining, jumping on everyone or on the counters stealing food...out of control....(you know what I mean...."dominant"..trying to be alpha?) Those people need to get the message or they may have their dogs put down on account of what they themselves have caused. They have to be told in no uncertain terms.
And how do you like those people (quite a few) that feed their dogs the most unbelievable stuff.....chocolate, cakes, candies.
One thing Victoria does sometimes is recommend certain diets, such as cooked meat and veggies and stuff. But I don't think she is qualified as a nutritionist. And she is leaving out stuff that is important if you do a home cooked diet, such as bone meal (if there are no bones) and other vital minerals/vitamins etc that you don't get with just meat and veggies. Maybe those diets are not meant to be a regular thing. (I hope)
Those people need to get the message or they may have their dogs put down on account of what they themselves have caused. They have to be told in no uncertain terms. And how do you like those people (quite a few) that feed their dogs the most unbelievable stuff.....chocolate, cakes, candies.
One thing Victoria does sometimes is recommend certain diets, such as cooked meat and veggies and stuff. But I don't think she is qualified as a nutritionist. And she is leaving out stuff that is important if you do a home cooked diet, such as bone meal (if there are no bones) and other vital minerals/vitamins etc that you don't get with just meat and veggies. Maybe those diets are not meant to be a regular thing. (I hope)
I love her!! And have seen all the new episodes so far.
I love pugs, and OMG when that pug Huggy was screaming her head off at the other dog, I honestly was laughing at the sounds that dog made!! I have never heard anything like that from a pug before!
I am SOO glad my dogs don't eat poop (Except occasionally).
I love pugs, and OMG when that pug Huggy was screaming her head off at the other dog, I honestly was laughing at the sounds that dog made!! I have never heard anything like that from a pug before!
I am SOO glad my dogs don't eat poop (Except occasionally).
Have only seen a few of her shows, they don't show it very regularily over here so I've missed enough of it, I generally like her though.
Buster is like this, he has always lived with other dogs. Once a dog steps foot inside the yard he doesn't have any issues with it, he has been introduced to puppies and dogs (including intact males) a lot of times and never had any issues.
Its the second you step outside the door that the switch flicks and he becomes mr. unsociable.
Buster is like this, he has always lived with other dogs. Once a dog steps foot inside the yard he doesn't have any issues with it, he has been introduced to puppies and dogs (including intact males) a lot of times and never had any issues.
Its the second you step outside the door that the switch flicks and he becomes mr. unsociable.
One thing about the poop eating pugs that I didn't agree with, though it did no harm was Victoria telling the people that they have to use a firm tone to help them to leave it. That is okay. But you don't have to use a firm tone to sound like you "mean" it. They could use a sound that's not a tone at all....a chirp, a cord on a harmonica, clear their throat or simply say "leave it" in a normal speaking tone because what's happening is the cue is associtated with the reward. It doesn't matter what cue is used. The dog turns his head or goes away from the poo or the flags she used... and he hears the cue and gets the treat. So, finally he learns to turn away when he hears the cue.
My Jose` is a poop eater, but only finds Chulita's poop palpatable for some reason, as far as dog's poo goes. He'll go for goose or deer poo anytime it's part of the menu. LOL. I tell him "leave it" in a regular voice and he will. (usually) That behavior will regress easily if I'm too lax with the reinforcement. Then I too revert to my natural personality with dogs that I have't quite gotten rid of....to use a very firm tone. "Leave it or else! You won't get any dinner and just you wait till your father gets home!" Also, if I'm not present, he'll still go for it since it's so highly motivating. I didn't use flags to teach leave it, but it's a perfectly fine way to assist with that, I guess.
The other reason I thought that was incongruous was that she and the owners were associating the *firm* "leave it" with the idea of avoidance at work. "leave it or else." Or else what? She wasn't going to use any punishing consequence. The use of that firm, "I mean it" tone defies the concept of rewarding the dog for leaving the poo. Are they building the behavior by rewarding the leaving it or by an avoidance concept? Two opposite concepts being used at the same time. (confusing a little bit?)
Anyhow, I thought the pugs weren't getting onto it very well...or were back sliding because they backed off on their reinforcers too soon, stopped using a continuous schedule too soon and didn't prevent it before the dogs got at the poo. They got reinforced again here and there with the poo eating....got the poo eating on a variable reinforcement schedule which made them continue to go for the poo.
But the main thing is that her methods aren't harsh. She gets the job done and uses lots of PR. She also uses some avoidance or punishing tactics, but they are not harsh or cruel IMO. The sound aversion etc....no big deal in my mind if the dog isn't terrified of it or made terribly nervous. She uses that with things like counter surfing or trash can raiding. Me, I wouldn't go to the trouble. I'd just put the garbage away and keep the counters clear. You can reward a dog for staying off the counters and out of the area by showing him that that is how to gain access to the food. The food comes to them if they're away from the counters. But if the food comes from the owner, then the owner will always have to be present. When you're not present, the counters can be kept clear so there's no reinforcement from them. Or make the food drop out of nowhere (not from you) LOL when reinforcing the dog for staying away. Too much trouble for me to bother with. I've always just kept the motivator out of reach. (well, not always. I did mess up on a few occassions. LOL)
Anyhow, I'm a hypocrit. I don't mean to be. But I understand the concepts of behavior I think but I'm still stuck with some residule old school bossiness in my voice sometimes with some things. It's okay. It doesn't hurt anything because I'm firm, not mean. But I don't think you have to be. You simply have to tie the behavior to a cue....any cue. Pavlovian response, in other words.
Anyhow, I do like how she handles dogs and people...especially after watching a certain celeb. on TV.
My Jose` is a poop eater, but only finds Chulita's poop palpatable for some reason, as far as dog's poo goes. He'll go for goose or deer poo anytime it's part of the menu. LOL. I tell him "leave it" in a regular voice and he will. (usually) That behavior will regress easily if I'm too lax with the reinforcement. Then I too revert to my natural personality with dogs that I have't quite gotten rid of....to use a very firm tone. "Leave it or else! You won't get any dinner and just you wait till your father gets home!" Also, if I'm not present, he'll still go for it since it's so highly motivating. I didn't use flags to teach leave it, but it's a perfectly fine way to assist with that, I guess.
The other reason I thought that was incongruous was that she and the owners were associating the *firm* "leave it" with the idea of avoidance at work. "leave it or else." Or else what? She wasn't going to use any punishing consequence. The use of that firm, "I mean it" tone defies the concept of rewarding the dog for leaving the poo. Are they building the behavior by rewarding the leaving it or by an avoidance concept? Two opposite concepts being used at the same time. (confusing a little bit?)
Anyhow, I thought the pugs weren't getting onto it very well...or were back sliding because they backed off on their reinforcers too soon, stopped using a continuous schedule too soon and didn't prevent it before the dogs got at the poo. They got reinforced again here and there with the poo eating....got the poo eating on a variable reinforcement schedule which made them continue to go for the poo.
But the main thing is that her methods aren't harsh. She gets the job done and uses lots of PR. She also uses some avoidance or punishing tactics, but they are not harsh or cruel IMO. The sound aversion etc....no big deal in my mind if the dog isn't terrified of it or made terribly nervous. She uses that with things like counter surfing or trash can raiding. Me, I wouldn't go to the trouble. I'd just put the garbage away and keep the counters clear. You can reward a dog for staying off the counters and out of the area by showing him that that is how to gain access to the food. The food comes to them if they're away from the counters. But if the food comes from the owner, then the owner will always have to be present. When you're not present, the counters can be kept clear so there's no reinforcement from them. Or make the food drop out of nowhere (not from you) LOL when reinforcing the dog for staying away. Too much trouble for me to bother with. I've always just kept the motivator out of reach. (well, not always. I did mess up on a few occassions. LOL)
Anyhow, I'm a hypocrit. I don't mean to be. But I understand the concepts of behavior I think but I'm still stuck with some residule old school bossiness in my voice sometimes with some things. It's okay. It doesn't hurt anything because I'm firm, not mean. But I don't think you have to be. You simply have to tie the behavior to a cue....any cue. Pavlovian response, in other words.
Anyhow, I do like how she handles dogs and people...especially after watching a certain celeb. on TV.
S
LOL Reggin. Well, when you think about, some of those dogs are flat out DANGEROUS. (or should we call it "red zone?") Or some are so awful with peeing, whining, jumping on everyone or on the counters stealing food...out of control....(you know what I mean...."dominant"..trying to be alpha?) Those people need to get the message or they may have their dogs put down on account of what they themselves have caused. They have to be told in no uncertain terms.
And how do you like those people (quite a few) that feed their dogs the most unbelievable stuff.....chocolate, cakes, candies.
One thing Victoria does sometimes is recommend certain diets, such as cooked meat and veggies and stuff. But I don't think she is qualified as a nutritionist. And she is leaving out stuff that is important if you do a home cooked diet, such as bone meal (if there are no bones) and other vital minerals/vitamins etc that you don't get with just meat and veggies. Maybe those diets are not meant to be a regular thing. (I hope)
Those people need to get the message or they may have their dogs put down on account of what they themselves have caused. They have to be told in no uncertain terms. And how do you like those people (quite a few) that feed their dogs the most unbelievable stuff.....chocolate, cakes, candies.
One thing Victoria does sometimes is recommend certain diets, such as cooked meat and veggies and stuff. But I don't think she is qualified as a nutritionist. And she is leaving out stuff that is important if you do a home cooked diet, such as bone meal (if there are no bones) and other vital minerals/vitamins etc that you don't get with just meat and veggies. Maybe those diets are not meant to be a regular thing. (I hope)
I cannot stand the people who feed their dogs those awful things. Especially chocolate. HELLO! You are putting your dog at risk. My god. My mom gave her pug a piece of a chocolate cookie, because she could not deny her begging.
People who are controlled by their dogs like that, shouldn't even have dogs.Cooked meals? I'd say go raw...
S
My chihuahua, Pebbles, got caught surfing my kitchen table 3 times in the past month. One day, we are all leaving... we go out the car and I turn around to go back inside because I forgot my purse. I opened the door and see pebbles standing on the table staring at me. Within 2 seconds she jumps off the table as fast as she can.
This happened 2 more times. So now, I've started to keep the table free of any goodies. I have caught her on Madisons high chair as well... eating bits of food left.
Same problem with the cat, but worse. He will jump up there when everyone is in the house.
I keep on telling my fiance... DONT leave food up there!!!! After awhile of not finding anything good up there to eat, I figured they would get bored of it and eventually give up. I am not sure what else to do.
This happened 2 more times. So now, I've started to keep the table free of any goodies. I have caught her on Madisons high chair as well... eating bits of food left.
Same problem with the cat, but worse. He will jump up there when everyone is in the house.
I keep on telling my fiance... DONT leave food up there!!!! After awhile of not finding anything good up there to eat, I figured they would get bored of it and eventually give up. I am not sure what else to do.
Peanut has the same problem as your Pebbles Reggin! He waits until we leave the room, then when we come back inside he has either knocked the trash over, gotten up on a table to look for food, or is INSIDE the big kitchen trash can. And he KNOWS he did a bad thing, because the second we come back inside he stops whatever he was doing, and rolls over on the floor...He has gotten to the point where he will actually start PEEING. We do NOT harm him in anyway. We tell him NO when we catch him (We never do when we came home to a mess, but he wasn't in the act) and we remove him from the room and put him in the family room. His problem is he jumps over the baby gate. We have two other dogs who can jump over the baby gate easily, but they NEVER do. Only Peanut. We know we have problems with him. He actually was on my mom's bed, and hiked on her. We got him from the SPCA 4 years ago, and we know why he was taken there in the first place. I crate him now whenever I cannot keep an eye on him, and he is not allowed to sleep in our beds now. He has to sleep on the floor. Hes getting better. (I have been using Victoria Stillwell's methods).