What's up with all these natural disasters?

[Zoom]

The environmental lobby holds back progress more than anything else in the world, yet they call themselves "progressives". Funny, eh? I would say that 75% of their tactics are FEAR based and without substance, but the media cares little about fact.

I think the environmentalists are just trying to make sure that we aren't running roughshod over the very things we say we're trying to protect. What good is unlimited renewable hydro energy if we kill off the salmon population in the process? There are plenty of up and coming designs that are both suited to our needs and will still allow wildlife to continue on as normal. The History or Discovery Channel had a big show in this a few months ago.

How would solar energy be so much more expensive to harness? There is sun EVERYWHERE, versus the very small areas of constant wind speed needed to make a the wind turbines viable. The Flint Hills here in Kansas are one of a very small group of potential areas that have the necessary Class 5 winds needed. What the huge issue is with those is that, yes, they do pose a threat to birds, but what are the other side effects? How do the ground vibrations factor in for the underground wildlife? What sort of noise is produced? And for the last point, the Flint Hills is the last remaining natural prairie grass sanctuary left in the country and one of an incredibly tiny few in the world. A couple hundred years ago, the Flint Hills comprised only a tiny fraction of the natural grassses, now 98% of the country's native grasses reside in this relatively small area. There are wildlife populations that are both native to this area, who's numbers are starting shrink as is, and many of those animals are now found only in this area. The stark beauty of the Flint Hills is something that the people in and around the area treasure, and coming over a hill and seeing row upon row of manmade turbines just doesn't have the same breathtaking effect as coming over a hill and seeing the play of light, shadow and color between the Earth, the horizon and all the natural variances of the landscape.

 

[Puckstop31]

Just noticed a little funny. Your quote in your sig is by Homer who works at a nuclear plant.

My Dad is kinda like Homer. Chubby, bald, beer drinking guy, who loves his family.

The Simpsons is my favorite TV show, EVER. Not perfect for Christian, but I just cannot get enough of the witty and subtle stuff they put in there. Epic at times.

 

[Puckstop31]

I think the environmentalists are just trying to make sure that we aren't running roughshod over the very things we say we're trying to protect.

Some of them, sure. But there needs to be some common sense. For instance, we have not yet built a wall between us and Mexico because we might have to cut down a few cactus. PUH-LEASE.

What good is unlimited renewable hydro energy if we kill off the salmon population in the process? There are plenty of up and coming designs that are both suited to our needs and will still allow wildlife to continue on as normal. The History or Discovery Channel had a big show in this a few months ago.

That is my point. We need new and VIABLE energy sources. There are many to use, but the environmental lobby keeps stonewalling.

How would solar energy be so much more expensive to harness? There is sun EVERYWHERE, versus the very small areas of constant wind speed needed to make a the wind turbines viable.

Solar panels are EXPENSIVE. Plus, you need a HUGE area of them to power even a small town. The cost to power ratio is very poor.

 

[Renee750il]

Anyone ever stop and think that perhaps we need to have SEVERAL viable sources of alternative energy used in appropriate applications . . .

It's very rare that there is one definitive answer to a complex problem.

 

[weather1man]

No, It is not global warming! Things like this are part of the way the earth works. if we didn't have these disasters we would all die! why we are having these natural diasters are due to climate shifts.
1. Hurrcanes=high SSt's due to maybe a warming trend
2. mudslides= fire raveged areas hit with heavy rain

The world's weather is changing and it always will. We have to make prepartion with dealing with these storms. We will get a break in hurricanes again as we did in the 80s. We will never get a break from bad weather though. Wehn you build a metropilis in a under water swamp prone for hurricanes you new it had to happen one day. It WILL happen again unless we move away form such dangerous areas. If you need more weather information feel free to give me a pm or join my weather forum at www.rockingweather.forumsplace.com just copy and paste. You just have to understand climate stucture to understand natural diasters.

 

[Zoom]

Some of them, sure. But there needs to be some common sense. For instance, we have not yet built a wall between us and Mexico because we might have to cut down a few cactus. PUH-LEASE.

I'm pretty sure the cost of building is probably a pretty big deterrent, not to mention that if we did that, then who would cut our lawns and wash our restaurant dishes? And then I also imagine there is more than one human rights group or something like that putting up a pretty big block. I also seem to recall another such wall that didn't work so well for keeping people seperated...something about a Cold War and Germany...international relations...

Solar panels are EXPENSIVE. Plus, you need a HUGE area of them to power even a small town. The cost to power ratio is very poor.

Or you could just install normal sized panels on every building...and then you don't have to worry about brownouts or rolling black outs or buying electricity from other cities, because guess what, all you need is for the sun to rise. I realize the initial investment is rather daunting, but it will pay for itself in quite a short time. And the people I know who have them are just all sorts of in love with them because of how cheap their energy bills are now.

 

[Boxer*Mom]

No, It is not global warming! Things like this are part of the way the earth works. if we didn't have these disasters we would all die! why we are having these natural diasters are due to climate shifts.
1. Hurrcanes=high SSt's due to maybe a warming trend
2. mudslides= fire raveged areas hit with heavy rain

The world's weather is changing and it always will. We have to make prepartion with dealing with these storms. We will get a break in hurricanes again as we did in the 80s. We will never get a break from bad weather though. Wehn you build a metropilis in a under water swamp prone for hurricanes you new it had to happen one day. It WILL happen again unless we move away form such dangerous areas. If you need more weather information feel free to give me a pm or join my weather forum at www.rockingweather.forumsplace.com just copy and paste. You just have to understand climate stucture to understand natural diasters.

Climate changes are not linked to global warming?! please explain

 

[weather1man]

the climate cycles have gone through changes for hundreds and thousnads of years! There is proff that there was a jungle in Antartica so there was no human induced global warming back then. I predict that human activty will have a role in it since we are destroying huge amounts fo the rain forest which adds more CO2 to the air. I just don't think becuase humans use hairspray our climate is going to change. If oyu have any more questions please feel free to ask me!

 

[Puckstop31]

I'm pretty sure the cost of building is probably a pretty big deterrent, not to mention that if we did that, then who would cut our lawns and wash our restaurant dishes? And then I also imagine there is more than one human rights group or something like that putting up a pretty big block.

This issue has nothing to do with Human Rights. They are ILLEGAL.

 

[AndrewF]

the climate cycles have gone through changes for hundreds and thousnads of years! There is proff that there was a jungle in Antartica so there was no human induced global warming back then. I predict that human activty will have a role in it since we are destroying huge amounts fo the rain forest which adds more CO2 to the air. I just don't think becuase humans use hairspray our climate is going to change. If oyu have any more questions please feel free to ask me!

There's been proof of jungles all over the world. However, one popular theory is a tectonic shift which physically moved antartica from a warmer location. Yes, the world is changing....the question is how much faster is it changing than natural cycles can allow for?

 

[Zoom]

This issue has nothing to do with Human Rights. They are ILLEGAL.

That they are. But, there is still probably some group out there lobbying for their right to hop the border.

 

[Boxer*Mom]

There's been proof of jungles all over the world. However, one popular theory is a tectonic shift which physically moved antartica from a warmer location. Yes, the world is changing....the question is how much faster is it changing than natural cycles can allow for?

Nicely pointed out Andrew.

 

[shredhead (DOG LOVER)]

Anyone ever stop and think that perhaps we need to have SEVERAL viable sources of alternative energy used in appropriate applications . . .

It's very rare that there is one definitive answer to a complex problem.

Ya but I guess we'd all rather just argue and argue about it until this thread has every fact about everything ever known to man.

 

[Zoom]

Then we can submit it to Guinness World Records and split the award money...right?

 

[Puckstop31]

I'm pretty sure the cost of building is probably a pretty big deterrent,

As opposed to the cost of NOT building the wall???

not to mention that if we did that, then who would cut our lawns and wash our restaurant dishes?

A LEGAL taxpaying citizen. A person contributing instead of a person taking.

And then I also imagine there is more than one human rights group or something like that putting up a pretty big block. I also seem to recall another such wall that didn't work so well for keeping people seperated...something about a Cold War and Germany...international relations...

Actually, that wall worked pretty well. More people died trying to cross it than made it, by a large margin.

I still do not see the Human Rights issue with denying ILLEGAL immigrants access to the United States? If they are hungry or whatever, THEIR government should do something about it.

I know, I am just so MEAN.

 

[Puckstop31]

There's been proof of jungles all over the world. However, one popular theory is a tectonic shift which physically moved antartica from a warmer location. Yes, the world is changing....the question is how much faster is it changing than natural cycles can allow for?

No arquement here. I agree that Antartica used to be in a different place in the world. I also understand the basics of plate techtonics (sp?). I bet we might disagree on what made those plates move so much....

**** The Great Flood, (Noah's Flood) was caused by more than just a lot of rain. But, the details there are deep so we best not go there, unless of course you want to.

 

[Puckstop31]

Ya but I guess we'd all rather just argue and argue about it until this thread has every fact about everything ever known to man.

 

[shredhead (DOG LOVER)]

Then we can submit it to Guinness World Records and split the award money...right?

Sounds good to me.

 

[Renee750il]

Be aware that a vast number of the illegal emigres in this country are here because they were recruited by AMERICAN businesses and were bought and paid for through the 'services' of compradores.

And yes, I DID say bought and paid for. That's the way it works. And the illegals have Social Security, FICA, Medicare, etc., withheld from their checks. Whether the employer actually pays it or not is another question.

 

[Puckstop31]

Be aware that a vast number of the illegal emigres in this country are here because they were recruited by AMERICAN businesses and were bought and paid for through the 'services' of compradores.

And yes, I DID say bought and paid for. That's the way it works. And the illegals have Social Security, FICA, Medicare, etc., withheld from their checks. Whether the employer actually pays it or not is another question.

I certainly believe this. It does not change they are illegal. So now, bust them AND the company.

Belive me, I can empathize with illegal immigrants. Getting into a country legally is HARD. I am going through it right now. I could easliy, just go to Canada and I could probably get a job under the table. It is not worth getting caught and more importantly, my morals would not let me do that.