Some Pit Education
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Semantics. Does it really matter what it's called or whose doing it?
The fact is that it DOES exist. It's naive to think that these dogs will not fall into those kind of hands. That's why I'm shocked that any one who truly loves this dog would not want to try to breed down their DA side. How selfish is it, knowing that as long as the are so DA they will be abused by many, that people who should be defending them...only care to defend their RIGHT to own them as they are now.
The fact is that it DOES exist. It's naive to think that these dogs will not fall into those kind of hands. That's why I'm shocked that any one who truly loves this dog would not want to try to breed down their DA side. How selfish is it, knowing that as long as the are so DA they will be abused by many, that people who should be defending them...only care to defend their RIGHT to own them as they are now.
I'm getting two conflicting messages here . . . the first is "No, bait dogs don't exist, they're a figment of your imagination!" The second is "Only punks and wannabes use them!" Well, if punks are using bait dogs, then bait dogs exist . . . And if a "wannabe" is fighting dogs then he is a dog fighter. Just because he's not the same as a "traditonal" or "old time" dog fighter doesn't make him any less of a dog fighter. A dog fighter = anyone fighting dogs. Just like a breeder = anyone who breeds their dog.
but what's the fall-out from "breeding down their DA side"? there's no way to know. i would rather have a dog-aggro dog with the drive i desire than a dog-friendly dog with very little drive. are the two inseparable? i don't know.
yeah, i could do without the dog-aggression, but at the same time, it's really NOT that big a deal.
dog aggression does not make people abuse dogs. that is a PEOPLE problem, NOT a dog problem.
yeah, i could do without the dog-aggression, but at the same time, it's really NOT that big a deal.
dog aggression does not make people abuse dogs. that is a PEOPLE problem, NOT a dog problem.
oh no not to you DrLittle... i wasnt referring to you, but to the wanna be dog fighters and thugs and stuff, they feed off the media stuff, and believe what they see/hear... there was never such a thing as bait animals until the media /HSUS got involved, they made up the term,and people believed it..
That's it. I never said they didn't exist. I said it was a made up word.
Breeding two cold dogs does not guarantee the puppies will not be DA. If it were, none of the dogs I have ever owned would have been DA. They all have been to a point. I'm not worried about how my dogs react to other dogs, they are DA. I can handle that. I AM worried about how they react to people. HA I will NOT deal with, DA is not a problem IMO.
THROUGH GENERATION and breeding and socialization will tone down the DA side of pitbulls but it will take several generations and lot of socilization throughout all generation but it will tone down now that its illegal,,, does it happen,,,well yes,,, do i agree with it ? no but throughout the hell this breed has endured,,, i do and will continue to respect the dogs from the past,,,
I really do see what you're saying but when you look at the state of this breed as it stands (hardly on solid ground) now, wouldn't it be worth the effort. DA has been successfully tempered down in many breeds and it hasn't ruined them. There are many high drive dogs who don't have this cross to bare. Lets face it, it's not the DA side of the pit that eveyone loves so much, at least not the people who don't USE the DA side for selfish purposes. There's so much more to a pit than DA.
How do you propose to breed out DA without adding in other breeds? Breeding two cold dogs or even generations of cold pit bulls will not guarantee a non DA dog. Munkee is proof of that, all of my dogs have been proof of that. My dad had & bred cold dogs because he loved the breed. Not all of his puppies were DA but just as many were as were not.
in what breeds has dog-aggression been tempered down? what other breeds have been created for the main purpose of fighting and are now non-dog-aggro?
i don't think the pit bull is in the state it's in because of dog aggression. i think the pit bull is at risk of extinction because of careless breeding creating fearful, unsound, human aggressive dogs, because of human-aggression being selected for, and because of these dogs being owned by irresponsible stupid people.
i suspect a lot of their allure has less to do with dog aggression than it does with the media blitz about their evilness. i suspect a lot of people who choose the pit bull because they're "tough" are not looking for dog aggression, but for human aggression and protectiveness, both of which are extremely counter to what the true pit bull temperament is.
i don't think the pit bull is in the state it's in because of dog aggression. i think the pit bull is at risk of extinction because of careless breeding creating fearful, unsound, human aggressive dogs, because of human-aggression being selected for, and because of these dogs being owned by irresponsible stupid people.
i suspect a lot of their allure has less to do with dog aggression than it does with the media blitz about their evilness. i suspect a lot of people who choose the pit bull because they're "tough" are not looking for dog aggression, but for human aggression and protectiveness, both of which are extremely counter to what the true pit bull temperament is.
What you want to create its alrdy created, its called american staffordshire and even today there are individual dogs that are DA.
My dogs tolerates other dogs when im with him because he knows if he atacks i'll be very sad and i will have to yell at him, but be sure if the other dog, which i cant control,shows a little evidence of agression my dog is gonna be ready and ansious to grab his neck.
If you seen my movie you'll see my dog is a very friendly dog towards human, know or not known hes going to lick everyone because he was breed to be human non-agressive, but he was too breed to show aggresion towards others males and its just the instincts and genetics that own our dogs.
I like american staffordhsire and they way they are breed, just like bull terriers or staffordshire bull terrier, but i have an APBT and i must understand from where my dog comes and how i gotta deal with him.
Again sorry for my english
My dogs tolerates other dogs when im with him because he knows if he atacks i'll be very sad and i will have to yell at him, but be sure if the other dog, which i cant control,shows a little evidence of agression my dog is gonna be ready and ansious to grab his neck.
If you seen my movie you'll see my dog is a very friendly dog towards human, know or not known hes going to lick everyone because he was breed to be human non-agressive, but he was too breed to show aggresion towards others males and its just the instincts and genetics that own our dogs.
I like american staffordhsire and they way they are breed, just like bull terriers or staffordshire bull terrier, but i have an APBT and i must understand from where my dog comes and how i gotta deal with him.
Again sorry for my english
What you want to create its alrdy created, its called american staffordshire and even today there are individual dogs that are DA.
My dogs tolerates other dogs when im with him because he knows if he atacks i'll be very sad and i will have to yell at him, but be sure if the other dog, which i cant control,shows a little evidence of agression my dog is gonna be ready and ansious to grab his neck.
If you seen my movie you'll see my dog is a very friendly dog towards human, know or not known hes going to lick everyone because he was breed to be human non-agressive, but he was too breed to show aggresion towards others males and its just the instincts and genetics that own our dogs.
I like american staffordhsire and they way they are breed, just like bull terriers or staffordshire bull terrier, but i have an APBT and i must understand from where my dog comes and how i gotta deal with him.
Again sorry for my english
My dogs tolerates other dogs when im with him because he knows if he atacks i'll be very sad and i will have to yell at him, but be sure if the other dog, which i cant control,shows a little evidence of agression my dog is gonna be ready and ansious to grab his neck.
If you seen my movie you'll see my dog is a very friendly dog towards human, know or not known hes going to lick everyone because he was breed to be human non-agressive, but he was too breed to show aggresion towards others males and its just the instincts and genetics that own our dogs.
I like american staffordhsire and they way they are breed, just like bull terriers or staffordshire bull terrier, but i have an APBT and i must understand from where my dog comes and how i gotta deal with him.
Again sorry for my english
I agree DA is not the only reason but it does have something to do with it. Yes, you're right that everything that humans have done to them, with them is why this dog is in trouble, but the fact that they are so capable a breed and easy to exploit made it that much easier to make them a target.
Yes, too many people CHOOSE this dog for all the wrong reasons and that's exactly my point. That is unfortunately a variable that no one has ever been able to control...there will always be awful humans waiting to pounce. Exactly the reason that I think it's our responsiblility, (pit lovers, breeder, and protectors) to fight FOR them and try to make them less exploitable.
As for breeding DA out, many traits can be bred out..not just DA. How many breeds are not doing what they were bred for? It takes time, but it can be done.
Yes, too many people CHOOSE this dog for all the wrong reasons and that's exactly my point. That is unfortunately a variable that no one has ever been able to control...there will always be awful humans waiting to pounce. Exactly the reason that I think it's our responsiblility, (pit lovers, breeder, and protectors) to fight FOR them and try to make them less exploitable.
As for breeding DA out, many traits can be bred out..not just DA. How many breeds are not doing what they were bred for? It takes time, but it can be done.
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