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FYI... since most of the posters on here are women... u girls have nothing to worrry about... WOMEN DON'T GET EXECUTED... i think 1/1000 of women who are charged with murder get executed.... right now there are about 2,450 males on death row... and 50 females... in 2001... 3 women were executed... this was the largest number since the death penalty got reinstated in 1978... i think texas killed 26 men last year for comparison... and true, more men do commit crime, but women aren't always pure and innocent... i know cuz i'm one too... plus i'm a criminal justice major and i just got done with my corrections class so that's how i know the facts... this is in response to the "race card" issue... it is true that if a black man kills a white man... it is seen to be worse than a white on white crime... in female prisons (sorry can't remember male statistics right now) 46% are black, 34% white, 16% hispanic, 4% other... racial and sexual disparity is apparent and we know it's happening... but we don't know why or how to fix it... do u really believe half of all crime is committed by black people? and white people are only responsible for 1/3? i'm not sure on the demographics of the United States, but i'm guessing whites greatly outnumber african-americans... i'm not saying tookie was a race issue... tookie was a "crip-founder" issue... but it does happen.
 
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this is in response to the "race card" issue... it is true that if a black man kills a white man... it is seen to be worse than a white on white crime... in female prisons (sorry can't remember male statistics right now) 46% are black, 34% white, 16% hispanic, 4% other... racial and sexual disparity is apparent and we know it's happening... but we don't know why or how to fix it... do u really believe half of all crime is committed by black people? and white people are only responsible for 1/3? i'm not sure on the demographics of the United States, but i'm guessing whites greatly outnumber african-americans... i'm not saying tookie was a race issue... tookie was a "crip-founder" issue... but it does happen.

this is my VERY PERSONAL opinion on what you said about the percentages of ppl in prisons...keep in mind, i do not know a whole lot about this matter.

OBVIOUSLY everyone is biased in there opinions...and i really dont want to make myself sound like i hate black people or something, cause i dont...the city i live in is like 98% white...so its hard to have a 'diverse' group of friends...but in school, i almost always had a best friend that was black...so yeah, im not racist.

BUT...from what i have seen, and know about my city and detroit, i would have no problem saying a vast majority of crimes are committed by blacks.

This is something that has ALWAYS bothered me, and i could NEVER figure out why this is...all of my black friends basically call themselves oreos (black on outside, white on the inside, lol)....when they are around other blacks, they completely change...start speaking slang, become rude, and a whole lot meaner...and act a hella lot more stupid (when they have all been very intelligent)

Many blacks (i have heard this talked about among them as well as witnessed this) will shun other blacks for doing well, for having goals, ambitions and money...

where did the whole you have to be dumb, ghetto, violent and rude thing come from??? That is NOT african heritage??? Actually come to think of it, my two best black friends had parents that had immigrated from Africa. Their families as well as them were all very intelligent, polite, well mannered, and well off people.

Then you look at detroit...it is a DUMP....it was not always a dump though...before the riots, it was a MUCH better place (not heaven, but better)...after the riots it turned to CRAP. Many businesses were turned into bars, strip clubs, pool houses, etc. The white population dropped dramatically, and i wanna say the black population now is like 80-90%??

I think that right there represents something. And no, i am not saying black people are responsible...well, i mean, in a way i am...but its not the race...in my opinion what is responsible is that looming idea that being well off and intelligent is a disgrace if you are black...

So yeah, i am biased, and when i get lost in detroit you better believe i lock my doors, and avoid side streets...you better believe i get scared when i am driving past a group of blacks acting all 'bad-a$$"

ok, and i was just looking at the top 25 safest cities, and top 25 most dangerous, and then looking at areaconnect.com to find out population %.

the safest: (in order, but not all of them are here, i skipped some)

Newton, MA : 2% black
Mission Viejo, CA 1.15% black
Thousand Oaks, CA 1%
Cary, NC 6%
Troy, MI 2%
Livonia, MI .95%
Farmington Hills, MI 7%
Stamford, CT 15%

Those cities from MI are all within 30 minutes of detroit

Most dangerous:

Camden, NJ - 53% black
Detroit: 81% black
Atlanta: 61% black
St. Loius 51% black


Other thing supporting my personal opinion is this:

My home town, Grosse Pointe, is split up into GP Park, woods, farms, shores and city. the areaconnect thing only had info on GP Park, woods and farms.

I live in GP park, which borders detroit...2 blocks from my house is what ppl so nicely refer to as "the cabbage patch" where the houses get real crappy and are all close together...then there is detriot...anyways, so the park has 3% black population, a higher than average # of car thefts, and almost double the number of property crimes than the woods has, and like triple the # of the farms, which has a .65%. The woods has a .63% black population.

ANYWAYS, like i said, its hard NOT to believe that blacks are more responsible for crime, especially if you grow up in an area like mine. Like i said, i truly do not believe it is their skin color that is responsible (duh! how could it be?!) but it is that ...whatever it is called...thing....that makes them act differently (and them refers to those blacks who act differently, lol, not all blacks)
 

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Yeah and get this a small group of Laouse boys were *attempting* to start a Crips gang in Danville AR, except the problem was the boys were scrawny little buggers and couldnt fight worth crap against the big burly white cops who genuinely grew up rough and were well fed. (Think papa beat them as kids thus learned to fight in their teens and were fed well by mama's good home cookin'!) Where the Laouse boys were fed a steady diet of rice and they didnt have look hard to get "baggy" clothes as everything available in town were made for big white muscled up cops and fire fighters, haha.

And after the recent influx of hispanics there have been a few attempts to start a hispanic gang, but only problem is that theres nothing worth to steal as every one drives a POS vehicle and everyone carries a shotgun as 80% of folks here are card carrying NRA members. :D

Gang life is hard to support here in rural America, unless it was the apple dumpling gang, haha.

-Dixie
 

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And they are all DOA! Start my day with a DOA! doodah doodah Start my day with a DOA doodah doodah daaaaaaay!!!


:D

And yes 2 of them were Laotian and one was Caucasian, but still makes no difference life is life and dead is dead - Tookie deserved what he got. Care for me to do a pt assessment on these???? LOL :D

Albert Owens - Caucasian Male, found in prone position, appears to have a GSW to the lower back between S-7 and L-1 and a blunt force truama to the skull possibly causing a sub-dural hemorrhage leading to his death.

Tsai-Shai Yang - Oriental male found supine position. GSW to LUQ of abdomen. Exentensive blood loss, estimated around 2-3 pints of blood from the exit wound found in the lower back.

Ye-Chen Lin - Oriental female found supine with GSW to the left side of skull, evidence of a shotgun being a weapon. You can see where the Medics attempted to intubate her but were unsuccessful in reviving her due the injury unable to be compatible to sustain life.

Thanks for the photos as Ive had my pt assesment for the day. Im going to go eat a sandwich now.

-Dixie
 
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angela said:
FYI... since most of the posters on here are women... u girls have nothing to worrry about... WOMEN DON'T GET EXECUTED... i think 1/1000 of women who are charged with murder get executed.... right now there are about 2,450 males on death row... and 50 females... in 2001... 3 women were executed... this was the largest number since the death penalty got reinstated in 1978... i think texas killed 26 men last year for comparison... and true, more men do commit crime, but women aren't always pure and innocent...
That's because there aren't enough to kill lol. Yeah there are female murderers, but males tend to be more aggressive. Plus males usually kill for a no reason or for a stupid reason while females usually kill for a good reason (no I'm not saying they have any right to murder somebody). When a woman kills it's also usually in a kinder way, like poisoning rather than shooting somebody.

OKAY I know I sound silly...I'm laughing.
 

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When a woman kills it's also usually in a kinder way, like poisoning rather than shooting somebody.
Yeah, that is true... i've heard poison is the woman's weapon... i guess it's not too "macho" for a guy to slip poison to somebody... but premeditated murder is still premeditated murder, whether if it's with a shotgun or rat poison... and girls do get special treatment in the criminal justice system... yay for being a female!... one main reason is many females are mothers, and when a guy gets locked up he can usually depend on the mother, but it doesn't really work the other way around... women must depend on other family members or the state to raise their children... and another supposed reason is chivalry... i guess it's criminal justice's way of opening the door for us or telling us we look nice today...
 

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This going to be TLTR, you don't want to hear my opinions on something, fine, don't read it, but I'm not the one who's beinging bias and not accepting people have different views on things then you. You think Tookie's guilty and deserved to die, fine, I don't, no need to argue that I think something differently then you, its not getting anywhere and i'm not going to have a change of heart on thinking that he deserved to die or not. This thread wasn't meant for a debate, and its turned to posters attacking each other for having an opinion. turned into, that I'm not going to start another thread. If you didn't want to sign the petition, that's all you had to do. This thread was for whoever wanted to and was anti-death penalty to save one's person life. I was going to start a different thread on the latest exectution of a 77yr. old man, but I saw how this thread turned & another death penalty thread, I decided not to post it. I bumped this thread just to say RIP, and look what happens. Tookie's case wasn't a ''crip-founder issue'', it was ALLEGED killings of four people. He shouldn't be blamed for every person that has been killed by a gang. And it wasn't like he started a revolution of gang killings. There was gang killings, way before he and Raymond started the Crips. It wouldn't be fair if I blamed every caucasion for enslaving African-Americans, or every German person for killing Jews, so I don't think its fair to blame Tookie for what OTHER people CHOOSED to do, Tookie didn't tell them to kill anybody.

Women are as gruesome and aggresive as any man. Posioning is kinder then shooting? Personally I rather be shot. A quick death, not a slow death having to feel my insides beinging burned.

Skin color doesn't have to on how much of a hoodlum, criminial, you are. No race should be compared to another to be more dangerous. Treat people as individuals, no matter what statistics say. And since when do you have to act a certain way around a race group? There's no certain way a race group acts, since everyone is different.

I wish one day the term MINORities would cease to exist. There isn't no superior race, no need to categorize, because one group of race's population is larger than the other.
 
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I never said I was with or against Tookie. I have heard of him and I think the fact that he is turning kids away from the path he has chosen to take is wonderful, but you can't trust people who are evil like that - he is a murderer. How do we know he's not just putting on an act so he can get out of jail and start up his evil lifestyle again?
 

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That doesn't give a reason to kill someone.
I never said it did... i wasn't talking specifically about the death penalty with that... i don't condone murder... and being a girl really is a really horrible reason to kill... i just meant we get special treatment and lesser sentences, which isn't really fair, but i'd rather be the girl with special treatment than the guy that gets it stuck to him... that's all
 
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The thing is, women often kill for a reason. Like murdering your spouse. Guys often do it because they're jealous and don't want anyone else to have their wife. Women often do it because they are being abused or the man is evil or something.
 

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I'm not saying he should of been released (that is he did kill those people) , just that he shouldn't have gotten executed.
 
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Has he been executed yet? Geez I didn't know.... I think they should've kept him in jail and let him be an example for kids - you take the wrong path and you end up spending your life in jail.
 

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The thing is, women often kill for a reason. Like murdering your spouse. Guys often do it because they're jealous and don't want anyone else to have their wife. Women often do it because they are being abused or the man is evil or something.

That isn't always the cause, it could be vice versa. And just because your spouse is cheating on you, isn't a reason to kill. Women kill sometimes because they're jealous and don't want anyone else to have their husband. And if they are beinging abused (which men do get abused too), doesn't give you a reason to kill, just tell the cops, unless its threatening to your life to snitch. Women are just as evil as men.
 

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Yes, he has that's why I bumped the thread just to say RIP, not for it to turn out to a big ol' debate, and I started the thread to try and attempt to spare his life, in the petition it didn't say anything about releasing him, just sparing his life. For me there's no point in exectution. An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind. Okay your tax dollars, but I think a person's life even IF he is a murderer if more precious than losing some money. Yeah, you could always fight the fact that some people can't afford beinging tax, and that they hate the fact they waste their money one death row immates, welfare, ect, write to the government. Sorry I can't do nothing about that. I hate beinging taxed too, but its something we have to do.


ps.- luv your new siggie.
 
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That isn't always the cause, it could be vice versa. And just because your spouse is cheating on you, isn't a reason to kill. Women kill sometimes because they're jealous and don't want anyone else to have their husband. And if they are beinging abused (which men do get abused too), doesn't give you a reason to kill, just tell the cops, unless its threatening to your life to snitch. Women are just as evil as men.
Yes women are just as evil as men are, but men tend to be more aggressive. No women are not always the ones being abused - I have heard of a man being physically abused by his wife and I was very angry at her for being so cruel. But most of the time, it's the women being absued. No, just because someone is cheating on you does not give you any right to kill them, but a lot of people do kill because of that - especially husbands and boyfriends. Some women do murder because they are jealous, but most kill for a reason. If they can get to the police in time to have the man who is abusing them arrested, that's great, but a lot CAN'T. A lot of women are threatened with their lives if they tell.


One woman was in an abusive relationship for eight years. One day her boyfriend got mad thinking she was cheating on him. He was always pretty controlling and such. Anyways, he came home, shot her mother (killed her), and then blew off half his girlfriend's face. Before this had happened, a year or two before, he had told her, "If you ever leave me I'll kill you," and she thought it was cute and he meant it in a loving way. Once she asked him, "What if I leave and you can't find me? And you can't kill me? What will you do then?" and he told her he'd kill her family. This woman was TRAPPED. She was innocent and couldn't get out.
 
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Juicy said:
Yes, he has that's why I bumped the thread just to say RIP, not for it to turn out to a big ol' debate, and I started the thread to try and attempt to spare his life, in the petition it didn't say anythingabout releasing him, just sparing his life.


ps.- luv your new siggie.
That's sad :(.

Thanks about my sig :)
 

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