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Well, EliN it is the fire hydrant and I think that this Tookie guy commited a ton of crimes and now he is looking for forgiveness in the Lord and everyone thinks that he shouldn't pay his time. He added up all of his crimes together and the minimum for each is 300 years.
 

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From what I can gather is that Tookie committed some crimes and is now pissed that he's being executed.

So he's playing the race card to try and claim that he's being discriminated against. Now he has his lackies trying to bail him out with online petitions and websites and what not.

But that's just what I can gather.
 
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It does tie pretty well with another thread.

He has been convicted and has reformed. If he has recieved salvation he should no longer fear the death penalty. He just wants an out from his sentence.
 
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The reasoning behind commuting his sentence to life lies in the writing and work he is now doing, swaying kids from following in his footsteps. His life is accomplishing positive things now; his death will accomplish nothing other than satiating a certain lust for hollow vengeance and making him a martyr.
 
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Oh, this is the founder of the "Crips" of L.A. So, sorry that he's sorry for beginning a lifestyle for murder and mayhem...
 
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Saying you're sorry doesn't accomplish anything - but DOING something about it is an entirely different matter.

No reason to set him scot-free, but commuting his sentence to life w/o, allowing him to continue this work makes good sense.
 
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Renee750il said:
The reasoning behind commuting his sentence to life lies in the writing and work he is now doing, swaying kids from following in his footsteps. His life is accomplishing positive things now; his death will accomplish nothing other than satiating a certain lust for hollow vengeance and making him a martyr.
While I would not see the completion of his sentence as hollow vengeance, I would see it as an insult to all he has done while incarcerated and his memory if he is made a matyr by gangs or those who feel the Death Penalty is never justified.

He has taken Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness from many people and famillies world wide. *While* the Death Penalty is a deterant, I am convinced life in prison is justified for all that he has done while incarcerated.

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So, all people on death row have to do is pretend they're all for helping others and get off death row eh?

I don't think they should get off quite that easy.
 

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In 1979 Williams murdered Albert Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang, and Yee Chen Lin during two separate robberies. Owen had been taken into the backroom of the convenience store he worked and shot execution style in the back of the head. The Yangs and their daughter were all killed by close range shotgun blasts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams
Not a whole lot of sympathy here either. Wouldn't this set precedence? You know, so somebody's convicted of "just" one murder and his/her life sentence should be commuted if they do some public service?

He wasn't a child when he organized his little "youth group" and he knew exactly what he was doing. When he killed those four people I'm sure he was also fully aware of the consequences to his actions. The fact that he's done some good things from his cell on death row is great, but because he's also invited publicity his motives are extremely suspect. He and his partner suckered a lot of kids back in the 70's. He may have changed (but don't we all over the course of 25 years?) but it sounds to me as if his ability to manipulate people has survived.
 

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I don't think execution is the right choice, he is remorseful.
But after which appeal did he decide to be remorseful? I imagine many death row inmates feel some remorse, for one reason or another.

"Remorse", penance, absolution.... those are all things that are between him and his God. He was convicted and sentenced for four pretty brutal "execution style" murders. He inducted CHILDREN into following him and those children are growing up and passing his legacy on.

I won't argue whether the death penalty is right or wrong, it is legal there right now. That's something he should've considered BEFORE pulling the trigger four times.
 
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While I would not see the completion of his sentence as hollow vengeance, I would see it as an insult to all he has done while incarcerated and his memory if he is made a matyr by gangs or those who feel the Death Penalty is never justified.

He has taken Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness from many people and famillies world wide. *While* the Death Penalty is a deterant, I am convinced life in prison is justified for all that he has done while incarcerated.

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The thing is, Blue, I've seen a few people who thought having the death penalty executed against someone who victimized their loved one would give them some feelings of closure and peace - and it had the opposite effect.

Let him keep on doing the good he's doing now - it's conceivable that it could save more lives, those of the kids who would potentially join the gangs and their potential victims' as well, than he has already destroyed.

The question is not so much whether or not this one man should be spared as it is how many more will be benefitted by what he is now accomplishing.
 
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I go both ways on this. While I personally could not do a death penalty vote on a jury, other people have and it would set a precedence to let him off. However, LIPWOP can't be a walk in the park, either. And if he's doing some "good", I would also like to see that continue...
 

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