Questions for bully & APBTA 'type' owners
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Probably the most probable explanation I've encountered is the Pitbull/Boston Terrier mix, especially if you consider that at the time both breeds were extremely popular.
As far as the "Pitbull" community goes -- or the Fila community for that matter (and, WOW, are there some peaches) -- I love my dogs. I love their breeds for what they are and what anyone else who doesn't live with my dogs thinks or has to say makes no matter to me, especially when they're just talking out of their asses.
I'll fight for my dogs, beside my dogs, and alongside anyone else who is fighting for their dogs, and no amount of asshattery and drama can sway that.
As far as the "Pitbull" community goes -- or the Fila community for that matter (and, WOW, are there some peaches) -- I love my dogs. I love their breeds for what they are and what anyone else who doesn't live with my dogs thinks or has to say makes no matter to me, especially when they're just talking out of their asses.
I'll fight for my dogs, beside my dogs, and alongside anyone else who is fighting for their dogs, and no amount of asshattery and drama can sway that.
I couldn't find her with a google search. It's LoLa Blue isn't it?
Regardless, here's what I think: It's your dog. Call it what you want.
Hell, even the people who own dogs that are OBVIOUSLY not Pit Bulls, like this:
...can call them Pit Bulls if they want. And I can argue until I'm blue in the face that those aren't Pit Bulls, but it's up to the owner, and nobody else's opinion really matters. Frankly there are some show-bred dogs in the ADBA who are less Pit Bull than some working AmStaffs in my opinion, but what I say doesn't change anything. People will call them what they want.
I don't see why people get so defensive and angry on this topic, really. In large part, it's just semantics. When I have a REAL problem with breed mislabeling is when someone from Animal Control sees a blocky-headed dog attack someone and calls it a Pit Bull, or when that same Animal Control officer sees a lab mix in someone's yard in a BSL area and says "That's a Pit Bull, we're taking it and putting it to sleep."
Regardless, here's what I think: It's your dog. Call it what you want.
Hell, even the people who own dogs that are OBVIOUSLY not Pit Bulls, like this:
...can call them Pit Bulls if they want. And I can argue until I'm blue in the face that those aren't Pit Bulls, but it's up to the owner, and nobody else's opinion really matters. Frankly there are some show-bred dogs in the ADBA who are less Pit Bull than some working AmStaffs in my opinion, but what I say doesn't change anything. People will call them what they want.
I don't see why people get so defensive and angry on this topic, really. In large part, it's just semantics. When I have a REAL problem with breed mislabeling is when someone from Animal Control sees a blocky-headed dog attack someone and calls it a Pit Bull, or when that same Animal Control officer sees a lab mix in someone's yard in a BSL area and says "That's a Pit Bull, we're taking it and putting it to sleep."
The solution to the problem should be less finger pointing and more unity. Don't throw the ambully under the bus in an effort to save the pit bull. Instead of being upset the AC has trouble distinguishing the breed that not even the breed can offer (other than extremes) start fighting for the reality of "punish the deed".
Trust me, I work with enough pit bulls to know we've got our own share of dangerous dogs. I used to believe it was never a pit bull, ever!
Then I got bitten, then I had too many clients who can't go in public without their pit bulls trying to kill other dogs, then I realized we aren't the angels I wish we were as a breed.
Work in a shelter or a training facility long enough and you'll start to realize, sure many are mislabeled (just like manu good stories) but ut oh, maybe some of those pit bulls in the paper actually are pit bulls?
I don't think this is the only case but a lot of pit bull people seem to dig their heads in the sand and sing la la la not my breed, no way! Instead of saying, well, we screwed up somewhere, how do we fix this?
Then I got bitten, then I had too many clients who can't go in public without their pit bulls trying to kill other dogs, then I realized we aren't the angels I wish we were as a breed.
Work in a shelter or a training facility long enough and you'll start to realize, sure many are mislabeled (just like manu good stories) but ut oh, maybe some of those pit bulls in the paper actually are pit bulls?
I don't think this is the only case but a lot of pit bull people seem to dig their heads in the sand and sing la la la not my breed, no way! Instead of saying, well, we screwed up somewhere, how do we fix this?
I don't see the trying to kill other dogs as a problem, myself.
As for the dogs who are human aggressive, whether they're Pit Bulls or just mistaken for Pit Bulls? I know how to fix that problem, and it's not a solution most of the people here would like: kill as many homeless "pit bull types" or "pit bull types" owned by irresponsible owners as possible. A huge cull that eliminated everything but purpose bred (hunting, weight pull, show, etc) dogs would do a lot of good for the breeds. Are there HA purpose bred dogs? Yes, but I still think that the mass cull would eliminate a large part of the problem. Take all the mutts, BYBs, and pet breeders out of the equation and you have (a) much cleaner breed(s).
As for the dogs who are human aggressive, whether they're Pit Bulls or just mistaken for Pit Bulls? I know how to fix that problem, and it's not a solution most of the people here would like: kill as many homeless "pit bull types" or "pit bull types" owned by irresponsible owners as possible. A huge cull that eliminated everything but purpose bred (hunting, weight pull, show, etc) dogs would do a lot of good for the breeds. Are there HA purpose bred dogs? Yes, but I still think that the mass cull would eliminate a large part of the problem. Take all the mutts, BYBs, and pet breeders out of the equation and you have (a) much cleaner breed(s).
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The APBT people want to stick their head in sand ....not their lines.....always Am. BULLIES that bite. That hasn't been my experience, its a mix of both doing the damage IMHO.
Cliff- her registered name is WBBs BleauChrome Lady of TheCopa.
Its not one line that adds to the problem of peoples perceptions, it's multiple lines with less than stellar owners.
The chained up pictures of game dogs are veey disturbing to the average public. The general public can't comprehend a dog that has to contained that way. The fanciers and old timers are just as much a problem as the am. Bully people IMHO.
Cliff- her registered name is WBBs BleauChrome Lady of TheCopa.
Its not one line that adds to the problem of peoples perceptions, it's multiple lines with less than stellar owners.
The chained up pictures of game dogs are veey disturbing to the average public. The general public can't comprehend a dog that has to contained that way. The fanciers and old timers are just as much a problem as the am. Bully people IMHO.
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A lot of your friends would lose their dogs then. I find a lot of old school breeders fanciers let their dogs sit on chains, do nothing constructive with them. Putting them in a show ring and letting them blast off at other dogs is detrimental to the breed. I know some ADBA people and their dogs are good in the ring,not allowed to act like a jackass.
And I hate that for them. I don't remember who said it but I've been told "I show my dogs so that when Animal Control knocks on the door I have ribbons for proof that I do something with them." If they don't want to lose their dogs, do something with them. Prove they're worth keeping. Show them. Hunt with them. Get an OB title. Prove they aren't worthless mongrels wasting yard space. If you don't have time to do something with your dogs you shouldn't be breeding them. That'd put a lot of peddlers like Tom Garner out of commission.