Questions for bully & APBTA 'type' owners

[cliffdog]

Great posts Barbara and Teal.

Are there manbiting APBTs out there? Of course. But I think they are in quite a tremendous minority. There are a lot of APBTs and APBT mixes around here that are hunting dogs, a lot of them seem to be Eli or Jeep/Redboy dogs. When I see an APBT (or an AmStaff) I don't tend to worry. I ask to pet the dog and go about my way.

Bullies on the other hand? Never ask to pet them. Give them a wide berth. Avoid them when I see them. Seems like every "pit bull attack" I've seen has two things in common, blue fur and a big fat head, indicative of a bully type dog. Probably has a craigslist dog somewhere in his "pedigree".

Most people would see a champion ABKC Extreme Bully and say, "woah, look at that pit bull." So yes, I think identification is that much of a problem. Animal control doesn't know CRAP about breed identification, period.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

So she's not a real pit bull? She's a mutt that looks like a pit bull? What gives your dog more right to bare the name than the others claiming it and being disparaged?

 

[Barbara!]

The animal control here asked if my Rhodesian Ridgeback was a big pit bull....

I was just like "What?!??".

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

I have amazing sweet AmBully clients and I have two scars from two pit bulls who didn't like me near their moms. I with I could paint breeds with such a wide brush but when it comes to that type of defaming accusation I know too well how inexperienced I would look if I did.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

The animal control here asked if my Rhodesian Ridgeback was a big pit bull....

I was just like "What?!??".

So, that doesn't answer my question though...?

 

[Barbara!]

So she's not a real pit bull? She's a mutt that looks like a pit bull? What gives your dog more right to bare the name than the others claiming it and being disparaged?

Why, when people advocate proper identification of the breed, are they automatically pegged with THIS label? Someone earlier went on a small unprovoked tangent about this...

Sorry, but I'm not one of those "if your dog isn't game, it's not an APBT" people. My dog doesn't have papers herself, but I know her lineage and she is an American Pit Bull Terrier. However, as I said, pit bull is no longer just one breed. It's literally dozens of breeds. Pit bull is now a type.

 

[Barbara!]

Just to add: pit bull shouldn't be a type, but it is what it is.

 

[cliffdog]

I have amazing sweet AmBully clients and I have two scars from two pit bulls who didn't like me near their moms. I with I could paint breeds with such a wide brush but when it comes to that type of defaming accusation I know too well how inexperienced I would look if I did.

I've meet some sweet ones, too. Show breed bullies that we met outside a bully show in Atlanta, as well as my sister's BYB from the flea market. (although the bullies outside the show were struggling for air so they may have been aggressive under normal circumstances, I don't know.) But it seems like they're the ones you see on the news.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

So, my question is how do you gain the right to tell others that their dogs are not pit bulls when you yourself have no proof of what you call one?

Personally I agree that if it walks, talks, and smells like a pit bull the likelihood is it is an (american) pit bull (terrier) or valid mix there of. However you'll not catch me trying for a double standard with my dogs. I'm confused how some feel so comfortable doing this.

 

[Barbara!]

So, my question is how do you gain the right to tell others that their dogs are not pit bulls when you yourself have no proof of what you call one?

Personally I agree that if it walks, talks, and smells like a pit bull the likelihood is it is an (american) pit bull (terrier) or valid mix there of. However you'll not catch me trying for a double standard with my dogs. I'm confused how some feel so comfortable doing this.

Because if a dog is 90 lbs with a head as wide as a car, it isn't an American Pit Bull Terrier. As I said, that is what the general public is under the impression of. They think pit bull=APBT=big giant blue dog.

 

[Tahla9999]

Okay, I'm going post two pit bull fatalities that happen THIS year. Look blue to you?

http://translate.google.com/transla...8/24/pitbull-pertenecia-al-abuelo-de-la-nina/

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...Attacked-By-Dog-in-Lemon-Grove-159146105.html

I can post a lot more if you want.

 

[Muttkip]

Actually, it really does. People who have been involved with this breed for decades don't know how to properly identify and separate bully breeds. Just like how most people don't know the difference between a Yorkie or a Silky, or every dog with black and tan MUST be a Rottie or Dobe mix... Common sense isn't common. Breed identification isn't easy, especially in bulldogs. To the general public and even to people who have been working with dogs their whole lives...Cane Corsos, American Bulldogs, Patterdale Terriers, Dogo Argentinos, Presa Canarios, American Staffordshire Terriers, American Bullies (etc.) are all pit bulls. And that can definitely get confusing.



No pedigree. My pit bull is a product of a BYB. Which is surprising because she has near perfect conformation. I wish I had a ped on her.

Then if she has no ped, why are you calling her an APBT? She according to everyone is a mutt and should be called a mix. Because you cannot provided the pedigree to prove she's an actual APBT.

 

[cliffdog]

Okay, I'm going post two pit bull fatalities that happen THIS year. Look blue to you?

http://translate.google.com/transla...8/24/pitbull-pertenecia-al-abuelo-de-la-nina/

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...Attacked-By-Dog-in-Lemon-Grove-159146105.html

I can post a lot more if you want.

The first one doesn't have a decent picture of the dog where you can reference size but the second definitely looks like a bully type dog to me. It's quite big. It's certainly not an APBT or AmStaff.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

But everything else is a pit bull?

Pit bulls?

 

[Barbara!]

I'm sure you could, but you're obviously missing the entire point. I don't think any one of us said that APBT's that attack/bite people don't exist. And I gave my reasoning for why this happens. Bad breeding and instability. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say that they are human aggressive by nature? Or..? Also, don't take a whole lot of merit in media articles. Sure, some of them are on, but I have seen too many claim "pit bull" and the dog was a lab. Lol.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Don't forget, in media releases there are often Getty images used and not actual photos of the dog in question.

 

[Barbara!]

Then if she has no ped, why are you calling her an APBT? She according to everyone is a mutt and should be called a mix. Because you cannot provided the pedigree to prove she's an actual APBT.

Just because I can't show you her ped, doesn't mean I have no proof. I have seen both of her parents paperwork. So, I don't see how this is at all relevant. I never said that if a dog doesn't have papers, it can't be called what it looks like. (Within reason of proper knowledge.) Stop pegging me with that label, as I've said already that that isn't me. You want to go to the GameDog forum for that.

 

[Barbara!]

But everything else is a pit bull?

Pit bulls?

Pit bull type? Yes. APBT's? Who knows.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

What makes them pit bull types as opposed to these non-pit bull types being called pit bulls? Pit bull being the short hand of APBT.

What breeds are and are not included in this general statement? Any and all bulldogs? Any and all bull & terriers? Just APBT and mixes there of?

 

[Barbara!]

What makes them pit bull types as opposed to these non-pit bull types being called pit bulls? Pit bull being the short hand of APBT.

Pit bull, as I said, is general public generic for any dog with even a similar bulldog structure.

If we are using pit bull in this conversation as APBT, then I would say I don't know whether or not they are that.