New docking laws
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Calnorthdawg said:
Another thing that makes me laugh is when people use the defense of "they did this hundreds of years ago"
Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.
Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.
I have not problems with Animalbiz being anti-docking. I do have a problem with her thinking that qualifications (in a completely unrelated field. If she was a vet i might listen) automatically put her in the right.
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Molly_Moppet said:
I didn't use it as a defence. If you read what i said, i was merely pointing out that this argument has been going on for a very long time.
I have not problems with Animalbiz being anti-docking. I do have a problem with her thinking that qualifications (in a completely unrelated field. If she was a vet i might listen) automatically put her in the right.
I have not problems with Animalbiz being anti-docking. I do have a problem with her thinking that qualifications (in a completely unrelated field. If she was a vet i might listen) automatically put her in the right.
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I almost fell off my seat laughing at this comment. Let's see, taking a wee pup and snapping off the poor things tail Lets see, hmmm I'm not a rocket scientist, but, that does sound like mutilating a poor animal. If I tore off your arm when you were a baby, that also would be mutilated.
Basically IMO (made sure I added this IMO since this redeems one self from any nasty things one may say ). I think people who have this insane desire to dock/crop are superficial and shallow and show no love for their pet. You may as well take your dog out back and beat it every day that's how much love your showing the poor tyke.
Basically IMO (made sure I added this IMO since this redeems one self from any nasty things one may say
). I think people who have this insane desire to dock/crop are superficial and shallow and show no love for their pet. You may as well take your dog out back and beat it every day that's how much love your showing the poor tyke.
Calnorthdawg said:
Another thing that makes me laugh is when people use the defense of "they did this hundreds of years ago" Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.
Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.
Geez folks !!! I'm sure your dogs at this point don't give a d@mn whether of not they have a tail or is the ears are natural or pointy ! Most Dobe owners want their dogs to look like pictured Dobes. Some just like the breed and don't care for cosmetic alteration. I would have looked great had I made my boobs a 34 rather than my 31 ! It's a matter of choice .
What if they cut off the end of my penis? Really doesn't bother me...
An arm is used apendage...had they trimmed my ear lobes and cut off my pinkies I'd give just as much a **** as I do about them circumcising me. They're not cutting off one of the dog's legs.
Maybe we should also start a movement to ban circumcisions...
An arm is used apendage...had they trimmed my ear lobes and cut off my pinkies I'd give just as much a **** as I do about them circumcising me. They're not cutting off one of the dog's legs.
Maybe we should also start a movement to ban circumcisions...
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Thank you for calling me superficial and shallow, coming from you that really hurts (hope you sense my sarcasm). As for beating my dog with a stick evryday, wow is all I have to say. Why don't you go fight the actual people who do beat their dogs, burn them alive and all the other abusive things people do to their dogs and leave people who choose to crop and dock their dogs, alone. Stop trying to act like your opinion is more valuable than mines, grow up.
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Calnorthdawg said:
I agree with every thing that animalbiz is discussing.
I personally feel that docking and cropping is inhumane, cruel and just unnecessary.
Another thing that makes me laugh is when people use the defense of "they did this hundreds of years ago" Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.
Just to add, I have a Dobe with full tail and uncropped ears. He is lovely. There was one post on this thread (and I will find it) that said a Dobe uncropped undocked is ugly. I was VERY offended.
A friend has a Boxer with full tail and uncropped ears. Their tails are not weak. that is such a pathetic excuse.
As for hunting, there are tons of hunting breeds that do not have their tails docked. That also is a flimsy excuse. My dog broke off one of his nails, should I have him declawed...it's so stupid the flimsy excuses people use to inflict cruelty to animals. If I had my way people who dock/crop would have animal cruelty charges put against them and a hefty fine.
Docking also causes many physical problems, spinal problems from the new way of sitting. Some dogs cannot read a docked/cropped dog properly, more times docked/cropped dogs have behavioral problems and that is a fact.
I know people who hunt with their Retrievers and go through brush and woods and never had any problems with broken tails.
Anyhow, that's just my rant.
I personally feel that docking and cropping is inhumane, cruel and just unnecessary.
Another thing that makes me laugh is when people use the defense of "they did this hundreds of years ago"
Who cares, are we not evolving not recessing? There are so many things they did hundreds of years ago that I'm glad we don't do today. Witch hunts, slavery, women having no rights so on. They had just as much of a clue about dogs and cropping/docking as they did regarding these other terrible things mankind did.Just to add, I have a Dobe with full tail and uncropped ears. He is lovely. There was one post on this thread (and I will find it) that said a Dobe uncropped undocked is ugly. I was VERY offended.
A friend has a Boxer with full tail and uncropped ears. Their tails are not weak. that is such a pathetic excuse.
As for hunting, there are tons of hunting breeds that do not have their tails docked. That also is a flimsy excuse. My dog broke off one of his nails, should I have him declawed...it's so stupid the flimsy excuses people use to inflict cruelty to animals. If I had my way people who dock/crop would have animal cruelty charges put against them and a hefty fine.
Docking also causes many physical problems, spinal problems from the new way of sitting. Some dogs cannot read a docked/cropped dog properly, more times docked/cropped dogs have behavioral problems and that is a fact.
I know people who hunt with their Retrievers and go through brush and woods and never had any problems with broken tails.
Anyhow, that's just my rant.
Well thank God you technically are not the tail docking police then. If you read any of my old posts in this thread. I have made sure to specify that I could not give an opinion on breeds that I am not directly familiar with, like Dobes or Boxers, so I kindly ask you not to comment on my "hunting" breed. Though we are entitled to our own thoughts as you have stated it is imperative that we have all the facts throughly researched before forming these opinions.
Dobermans, boxers, mastifs, bulls, etc were all bred to be guard dogs, fighting dogs, and working dogs. These dogs had their tails docked to prevent them from being entangled in equipment, being bitten by other animals and to prevent parsitic infection...as well as a number of other "real world" reasons. Ears were clipped on guard dogs because it was believed that they would be more "alert"...on fighting breeds to give less flesh to tear off...most working breeds do not have their ears clipped.
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brock23, do you use your dogs for hunting? I do know many people who do use their dogs for real life hunting. They don't dock, they also stay away from show quality type purebreds as well. I will ask these people to post their reasons why they do not dock for hunting purposes.
As for voicing my own opinion I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It is after all just "my" opinion. Just like the person who stated Dobes with uncropped tails are ugly they made a statement, so have I.
Acutally hun, they do mind. Do you realize all the physical problems these procedures do to a dog not to mention the mental problems.
The more you talk the less you know. Funny isn't it.
Well, I voiced my opinion of docking/cropping. See how defensive people become when they "know" they are doing something cruel and try to justify what they are doing.
I would LOVE to be the one to cut it off! that would be great. This speaks volumes of this persons mentality.
I guess on this forum it's not a "speak your mind" its "follow the sheep and just agree with every one. Very sad.
As for voicing my own opinion I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It is after all just "my" opinion. Just like the person who stated Dobes with uncropped tails are ugly they made a statement, so have I.
Acutally hun, they do mind. Do you realize all the physical problems these procedures do to a dog not to mention the mental problems.
The more you talk the less you know. Funny isn't it.
Well, I voiced my opinion of docking/cropping. See how defensive people become when they "know" they are doing something cruel and try to justify what they are doing.
I would LOVE to be the one to cut it off! that would be great. This speaks volumes of this persons mentality.
I guess on this forum it's not a "speak your mind" its "follow the sheep and just agree with every one. Very sad.
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Honey, you are the only one getting defensive here. Just like you voiced your opinion we are voiceing ours. Take a chill pill, and relax!!! And stop trying to provoke people, thats not very mature.
And as for me trying to justify my actions, I never tried to. Thats why I said from the beginning I cropped and docked my dog for cosmetic reasons and not once did I try to justify my actions. I know what I did and I will crop and dock all my Dobies. Thats my choice, not yours!!! You do as you please with your dogs and I'll do what I want with mine.
Remember, relax and have a nice day!!!
And as for me trying to justify my actions, I never tried to. Thats why I said from the beginning I cropped and docked my dog for cosmetic reasons and not once did I try to justify my actions. I know what I did and I will crop and dock all my Dobies. Thats my choice, not yours!!! You do as you please with your dogs and I'll do what I want with mine.
Remember, relax and have a nice day!!!
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