Need help on deciding between Retrievers

[EliNHunter]

GOOOD Lord! I can't believe this thread has gotten to be 24 pages long! Anywho... It seems Jason's biggest thing was with the shedding. And his wife (or sig other, can't remember), wants a golden. Sound like she's going for the "known personality" and he's going for the "no shedding route". Sounds like a conflict right there to begin with. ANY dog is going to shed -- and I don't care what the breed unless it's a Mexican Hairless. And if you can't stand it, I suggest a fishtank for the pets -- e.g. fish. I hope they can work it out between themselves as to the real reason to get a pet and what their expectations are -- and AGREE on it. For instance, my brother absolutely LOVES DOGS, but cannot handle the "hair". You've got to be ready for the hair, the water drooling from the bowl through the mouth throughout the house, the "accidents" whether it be pee/poop when they can't help it (or are not completely housetrained yet), the vomit when their tummy's upset, etc. etc.

So, enough of this dog breed discussion. I think the bottom line is what they are really after in their next family addition and why and what they're basing their decision upon...

 

[stirder]

yep, exactly elin but he wont answer that question. all he will say is she wants a golden, he doesnt want shedding and he got offended by the fact that we didnt get that yet.

 

[EliNHunter]

One of my good friends contacted me when she was wanting to add a dog to her family. She was looking into goldendoodles since she grew up with goldens. But didn't want the shedding. I let her know that even though they tout "less shedding" with golden doodles, you can't guarantee which genes are going to kick into the "mix" and the "less shedding" gene actually comes from the std. poodle side. And std. poodles are VERY smart. She did her homework and ended up getting a full blooded std. poodle and is VERY HAPPY! She even named him Einstein!!!

 

[blue]

I did learn alot about doodles.

 

[bubbatd]

jason....come back and let us know what you both have decided. It will be her dog, I do agree that a doogle mix won't assure you of a none shedding dog....it will be a 50-50 chance. To me, dog hair's no problem....I personnally would rather have a big hairy golden that a hairless dog.

 

[stirder]

I think Jason may be gone. he was pretty much fed up with all of us doing exactly what he asked us to do. I hope not, but he suggested he would not be coming back.

 

[bubbatd]

Sad that some of us get carried away and argue amongst ourselves while the original poster never gets the answers to their question.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

Jason is on right now. We've been trying to explain things to him, but he didn't want to listen. If he wants to listen now, HOORAY! No one was trying to be mean to him.

 

[aurorab]

AS I SAID I have read all the messages.
My point was that you are all jumping down this throat.
Oh and all breeds have started out by mixing other breeds together. If YOUR logic is true than all breeding is irresponsible!
And I was Just talking about you specifically. i do believe that there are too many dogs out there and I wish everyone could adopt a dog and that there are "pure breeds" at shelters and rescues, but if someone wants a breed dog then that is their choice.
Jason asked for information about each breed if anyone knew about them. Not necessarily your opinion about if breeding labradoodles was right or wrong. You don't agree w/ it and that is fine but so many of you have made this into an all out war about labradoodles.
And after so many papers of goning on and on then it "feel" like you are jumping down his throat. You can say something once and that's fine but after over 20 pages of it dont you think this is a bit of an over kill. And I think that jason was very open to information on the 1st several pages btu i don't blame him for feeling this way. That was my whole point.
Oh and again I have read the posts all 25+ pages of them. I think he has more information now than he ever wanted or needed.

 

[EliNHunter]

My point was that you are all jumping down this throat.

ALL? That's a pretty general statement to be making

 

[Fran27]

Oh and all breeds have started out by mixing other breeds together. If YOUR logic is true than all breeding is irresponsible!

Ok can we stop with that totally stupid argument? It's the most stupid argument I have ever heard, especially applied to this case, where the breeding of labradoodles was terminated because it failed.

Something you should know if you had read the whole thread as you claim!

 

[stirder]

another thing you would know if you had truly read the whole thread is that we explained that all breeds started by mixing others together. its not the creation of a new breed that anyone has a problem with, it is the creation of a breed with no puprose in mind. and we didnt jump down his throat, he asked us to look at some breeders, gave us links, and we did, he asked for our opinions of them and we gave it.

 

[aurorab]

EliNHunter I am sorry I shouls have said everyone, I was a bit heated and I should have said it. Most people have been fine and their is a bit of info if you really read all the post but "SOME" (not all) people have made this thread a bit crazy. I actually had a nice chat w/ Jason (privately) and he is making the right choice for himself. It just seemed like his innocent question got very out of hand b/c some people got very passionate (I guess) about their opinions. All I meant was that specific facts could be said by one or 2 people and then he could have the info to do with as he chooses.
Again I'm sorry for making such a broad statement It was just too hard to go back and find all the names of the people I was talking about. I did truely mean only those who were getting a bit too hot and seemed to be ajumping down his throat.

 

[EliNHunter]

No problem! I just hoped I wasn't one of them (this time!)

 

[aurorab]

Just b/c the labradoodle didn't work for what they were orriginally intended doesn't mean that it can't be a breed on it's own. Someday it might. And if someone likes it then fine. And I do agree that some breeders probably use the idea of a labradoodle (all of the good qualities none of the bad) to get people to buy them but they do that w/ all breed. For example, they sell "tea cup chis" for extra $ but in reallity there is no such thing. A chi is a chi no matter what size it is. But breeders use it to raise the price. If you know that and still want it, fine.
You can say something calmly and get your point across. That was my only issue.

 

[Fran27]

Ok, again, it is not a breed, and never will be. Because breeds have a goal, and labradoodles failed at that goal, so there is no reason to breed them.

he is making the right choice for himself

That's what I think is very sorry. So many people who only think about themselves and don't care about the repercussions of their actions. Overall, it's the general impression I got from Jason. And, I know it might be my main fault and I don't care, I can't stand selfish people.

 

[stirder]

I think its great that he wants to make the right decision for himself and his family. THAT is why we have all been trying to give him the facts about labradoodles and their breeders. we know more about the whole topic than he does, and we are trying to help him make that right decision. trust me if I came on here for the first time and said I was looking for a shepalute and everyone told me about their faults, reviewed their breeders and recommended I not get one because the odds are stacked high against me...I wouldnt be happy, but I would respect everyone advice and realize "I asked because they know more than I do, they must be right, why take the risk?" but did he do that? no, he said we were lying. that is when we got defensive. if he only wanted 1 or 2 people to respond he could have read several threads and figured out who the most knowledgable members seemed to be, and he could have pm'd them. instead he put it on a public topic. PUBLIC, where everyone is allowed to post. I understand your side aurorab and Im glad jason has someone on his side, but your arguments are not based on all of the facts. YOU are posting YOUR opinion. atleast when we gave our opinion we did some research.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

Oh and all breeds have started out by mixing other breeds together. If YOUR logic is true than all breeding is irresponsible!

Think about this - 11,00,000 pets are killed in the United States every year. 7 million of those are dogs euthanized in shelters. If you were to add the number of dogs euthanized in veterinary clinics (and they often take in homeless pets), approximately 9 million dogs are euthanized every year in the U.S.. In Lousiana 750,000 dogs and cats are gassed to death annually. That's one of our fifty states.

All breeds were at one time mixed breeds. The difference they have with the doodles and poos is they were bred for a purpose - hunting, retrieving, herding, guarding - and they fit that purpose, whereas the "labradoodle" failed to meet the need of a low-shedding guide dog. That doesn't mean they're bad dogs, and don't deserve good homes, but they don't have a job, the only reason they are being bred now is that many people who have allergies want a dog, and they think that "labradoodles" don't shed - which is untrue, because all dogs shed, no matter what the breed, especially a lab mix.

There is nothing wrong with owning a "labradoodle" or any other poodle mix. They deserve homes too, but if you purchase one from a breeder, you are automatically supporting puppy mills and backyard breeders. I know that it's sad to think that puppies are suffering all over the world, when they didn't do a thing to deserve this treatment, and it's tempting to snatch that little "schnoodle" up from the local mall pet shop and give him a loving home, but if you buy one of these puppies, you are supporting puppy mills, and puppy mills are animal abuse and neglect. Buy a puppy from a doodle/poo/puppy mill/backyard breeder, and you're supporting animal abuse and neglect. You're saying, "YES!" to animals living in horrible conditions. If nobody bought these puppies, there would be no more mills, and no more backyard breeders, and no more need for shelters, and 9 million dogs would not be killed every year.

 

[stirder]

EXACTLY gaddy!!! excellent post.

 

[sparks19]

wait wait wait because i have a different opinion and I am siding with Jason means i haven't read all of this thread? well here's a news flash I DID read all of it. unfortunately. As I recall Jason did not ask for personal opinion he asked for personal experiences with the breed not to be told "what do you have against shelter dogs" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ..... and over. Do you see how repetitive it gets. Jason didn't leave because you guys were "giving him the information he requested" as you say. He probably left because he wasn't getting ANY of the information he asked for. Personal experiences is not the same as personal opinion.

As for neutering at 8 weeks if it prevents pregnancy its a good thing. Then why will most vets not do anything of that nature until they are at least 6 months of age. Maybe because it is a little to invasive when they are so young. And please don't tell me that vets don't know what they are talking about as I have seen said so many times on this forum. The shelter had to get its own vet so they could have them neutered at 8 weeks of age. But I am glad I made the choice i did. Had I not I wouldn't have my teddy.

Although I know this will just incite more flame throwing, it is pointless as Jason has been chased away from this board in only a matter of days. That must be some kind of record. *round of applause*

ps-elinhunter I like your new picture