Need help on deciding between Retrievers

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stirder said:
that can be extremely bad if you get it from an irresponsible breeder. such as every breeder you asked us to look at.
if you go through one of those breeders you could very easily end up with any number of problems, for instance hip displasia, epilepsy, cancer, heart trouble, etc etc etc. in our opinions every breeder you has us check out was a back yard breeder or puppy mill, or just very irresponsible. we have years of experience over you, that should count for something.
These are all excellent points. I mean that. The research I have done all says the same thing. But the problem is the condescending way you end the post. Who needs it?
 
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Jason said:
These are all excellent points. I mean that. The research I have done all says the same thing. But the problem is the condescending way you end the post. Who needs it?
Jason... Sorry you see it as condescending. We are just here to help you realize the situation. I have been very nice to you trying to let you know the importance of how they're bred if you want the hopeful results. The rest of the board has lots of experience and is letting you know what you may expect.
 
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Jason... Sorry you see it as condescending. We are just here to help you realize the situation. I have been very nice to you trying to let you know the importance of how they're bred if you want the hopeful results. The rest of the board has lots of experience and is letting you know what you may expect.
What kind of dog is that eli? No problem, you've been cool. I have lots of experience with dogs too, let's not forget that.
 

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BigDog2191 said:
LOL this is stupid.

You're going to actually get a mutt from a breeder? You're actually going to pay $500 for a mutt? Why don't you just go get one from a shelter?

I understand paying that much to a reputable Golden breeder but... if you're going to spend that much on a mutt... it's money down the toilet. Whereas if you rescue, you could save a life, money, and get a cool mutt at the same time.

Which is the smartest way to go, you should know, you'd have to be pretty smart to make 4 times the average income a year so I trust it won't be THAT hard...
jason your saying stirder is being condescending but look what bigdog said. i think bigdog makes excellent points too
 
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I just wish the USA had the same breeding standards as germany and other european countries. if that was the case this topic would have never started and no one would be able to consider a "designer mutt"!!!!
 
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Jason said:
What kind of dog is that eli? No problem, you've been cool. I have lots of experience with dogs too, let's not forget that.
That Copper Fox... my first dog that was ALL MINE, growing up. A golden retriever :D
 

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Jason... I'm glad you're back. Go with your heart and give whatever pup you decide on all your love and attention. Yes, even though I was a Golden breeder for 40 yrs. today I recommend rescue to many. I love the breed. I don't know the doogle breeds,,,,,if you go that way, make sure it's not 1st breeding , especially if over $300. Regardless, check on OFA etc on any choice.!! Good luck and keep us posted !
 

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BigDog2191 said:
So are you saying I'm being condescending or I'm making excellent points?
what i said excellent popints...but what i am saying is to him they may sound condescending, because he thpught stirder was condescending by saying one little thing.
i am saying it may sound condescending, but it is onlt there to help u thats all
 
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Jason... I'm glad you're back. Go with your heart and give whatever pup you decide on all your love and attention. Yes, even though I was a Golden breeder for 40 yrs. today I recommend rescue to many. I love the breed. I don't know the doogle breeds,,,,,if you go that way, make sure it's not 1st breeding , especially if over $300. Regardless, check on OFA etc on any choice.!! Good luck and keep us posted !
Grammy... first of all, it's a "DOODLE", not a "doogle"... second of all, it's the pups from a FIRST CROSS of dogs... The way you worded it was like it would be ok for a second cross. And yes... ask about eyes and hip testing. If they're not registered with doing so, run away!!!
 
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EliNHunter said:
it's the pups from a FIRST CROSS of dogs...
From what I have read on sites posted by Jason and others Ive looked at to be informed on this, I dont think I saw one that wasnt breeding labradoodle to labradoodle. First gen would be labrador to poodle offspring correct? While some of their breeding programs might still be doing that for the genepool of the doodles, most of what I have read is 3rd gen or later.

I remember reading somewhere a reputable breeder will have ALL the testing done for a pups line documented for 3? generations.
 
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First gen would be labrador to poodle offspring correct?
Correct. The first cross is the only one that "counts". I saw some other posts about breeding doodles to doodloes which is a no-no. Even the first cross isn't 100% which got things heated here...
 

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Correct. The first cross is the only one that "counts". I saw some other posts about breeding doodles to doodloes which is a no-no. Even the first cross isn't 100% which got things heated here...
I still don't understand why the first cross is the only one that works.....can anyone explain that?
 
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Ok the first gen are labradoodles, so to further breeding of the labradoodle they would sective breed first gen doodles to other doodles of first or other generations of doodle to get the traits they are looking for in the labradoodle, correct? It would be foolish to assume you would get the traits one was looking for by doing first gen only breeding, correct?

Could you post me links to the doodle to doodle breeding as a no no? I did a half a$$ search earlier but didnt dig much, sorry.
 

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still dont get it.
a rat terrier was once two things then they kept breeding two rat terriers together...making the rat terrier .why wouldnt you breed two doodles? wouldnt it be better to do so>
 
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LEA and BB I think you got it right, you are not going to get a breed with the same results unless breeding of the same breed happens.

The first gen of many breeds was only a milestone of a lot of hard work and selective breeding of many breeds to achive the results wanted. The labradoodle only needed 2 breeds to achive the desire result once that result was realised selcted breeding from the first gen pups leads to the second and third and so on.

It was so for the Retrievers and the poodles those breeds did not happen without selected breeding.
 
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