Luna's First Fight
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Ok, I know the audience of this thread just want to get to the fun lolcats but I can't help drag it on.
That's fine, as long as you know you'll get called out on unnecessary rudeness. There is bluntness and there is just being a jerk. Seems to me those who are the latter are constantly defending there right to not "sugar coat" things
:rofl1: I just love the painting everything with such a broad black and white brush stroke. Lazy.
I'm honestly not offended because I would have to have a smidgen of thought somewhere in my brain that I was lazy because yes, the dog park is a very large part of my working the dogs. Why? Because they can swim LEGALLY (Which they can't do anywhere else.). They can run off leash LEGALLY (Which they can't do anywhere else). You can of course get creative and find places that people don't go to often and let them swim, run and so on illegally but with minimal risk of being caught. Doesn't make it any less illegal and means that you've got to plan ahead and go at times you don't think you'll run into anyone.
I'm just more austonded at the line of thought that going to the dog park is lazy. Irresponsible I don't agree with but I get. But lazy? Just makes no sense to me
I work my dogs more than most people because I like it but also because the idea of a walk making a Koolie (or a lot of other breeds) even remotely tired is laughable. Traveler needs hours off leash swimming and hiking or a long long bikeride with some off leash and swimming thrown in to get in the realm of physically tired (and yes, that is in addition to daily training)
Can that be done without the aid of my dog park? Probably, not with the same ease though. But why should it if everything works out good for everyone involved? Oh yeah, because it's lazy. Getting out, hiking, running and playing with your dog for a few hours is my definition of lazy too.
Also illegal where I live. Leashes need to be under 10 feet long. And I don't know about you but I've never been able to tire my dog out with a game of fetch, no matter how long. Great for taking the edge off or incorporating into during an off leash hike or bike ride.
OWWWWWWW!!! I've just got some really really bad rope burns from him taking off and it being wrapped around my bare ankle. It was in the middle of my bike ride after I took a half an hour to play fetch in a field, skating home was NOT fun.
well that's dandy. I'm not a "sugar coating" type of person... you'll get exactly what I think 
:rofl1: I just love the painting everything with such a broad black and white brush stroke. Lazy.
I'm honestly not offended because I would have to have a smidgen of thought somewhere in my brain that I was lazy because yes, the dog park is a very large part of my working the dogs. Why? Because they can swim LEGALLY (Which they can't do anywhere else.). They can run off leash LEGALLY (Which they can't do anywhere else). You can of course get creative and find places that people don't go to often and let them swim, run and so on illegally but with minimal risk of being caught. Doesn't make it any less illegal and means that you've got to plan ahead and go at times you don't think you'll run into anyone.
I'm just more austonded at the line of thought that going to the dog park is lazy. Irresponsible I don't agree with but I get. But lazy? Just makes no sense to me
I work my dogs more than most people because I like it but also because the idea of a walk making a Koolie (or a lot of other breeds) even remotely tired is laughable. Traveler needs hours off leash swimming and hiking or a long long bikeride with some off leash and swimming thrown in to get in the realm of physically tired (and yes, that is in addition to daily training)
Can that be done without the aid of my dog park? Probably, not with the same ease though. But why should it if everything works out good for everyone involved? Oh yeah, because it's lazy. Getting out, hiking, running and playing with your dog for a few hours is my definition of lazy too.
Also illegal where I live. Leashes need to be under 10 feet long. And I don't know about you but I've never been able to tire my dog out with a game of fetch, no matter how long. Great for taking the edge off or incorporating into during an off leash hike or bike ride.
OWWWWWWW!!! I've just got some really really bad rope burns from him taking off and it being wrapped around my bare ankle. It was in the middle of my bike ride after I took a half an hour to play fetch in a field, skating home was NOT fun.
yeah I love the people who think leash laws don't apply to them because "my dogs have good recall".
Linds, LOL oh yeah it was painful to say the least. I can't believe I actually got up and walked away from that haha. Being forced into a split when you couldn't do one even after being properly stretched and warmed up? NOT cool :rofl1:
Linds, LOL oh yeah it was painful to say the least. I can't believe I actually got up and walked away from that haha. Being forced into a split when you couldn't do one even after being properly stretched and warmed up? NOT cool :rofl1:
You brought up a great point Linds. Legal and Illegal. A lot of the baseball areas and others that were described are either illegal to have your dog in OR they have to be kept on leash. Say good bye to the fetch idea there. I am not going to break the laws and get a fine just because someone says it is better in their minds then doing the legal thing and taking my dogs to the dog run instead. Sorry not going to happen.
Plus not everyone is the same. I suffer from agoraphobia among other disorders. Walking on the sidewalk here can be hard since I am in a busy part of the city and on a main road. Where as at the dog park my sense of panic is a lot less. There is so much space that I am not required to pass people or even be near people if I can't handle it. On my really bad days I can't even go into my own back yard. So when my days are good a dog park is perfect for all of us. The dogs get their exercise, training time for off leash stuff, socialization AND a huge one for me is I am making friends there too. I have a hard time making friends since it can be so hard leaving the house. We have gone enough now that people are starting to recognize Sheena and Luna and will greet them and we start up a dialog. This is huge for me. It is easy to talk to people online but in person it can really be hard for some to appraoch people.
It basically comes down to the fact that no one here is the same. We all have different lives, experiences, espectations and needs. What works for one won't work for another.
Plus not everyone is the same. I suffer from agoraphobia among other disorders. Walking on the sidewalk here can be hard since I am in a busy part of the city and on a main road. Where as at the dog park my sense of panic is a lot less. There is so much space that I am not required to pass people or even be near people if I can't handle it. On my really bad days I can't even go into my own back yard. So when my days are good a dog park is perfect for all of us. The dogs get their exercise, training time for off leash stuff, socialization AND a huge one for me is I am making friends there too. I have a hard time making friends since it can be so hard leaving the house. We have gone enough now that people are starting to recognize Sheena and Luna and will greet them and we start up a dialog. This is huge for me. It is easy to talk to people online but in person it can really be hard for some to appraoch people.
It basically comes down to the fact that no one here is the same. We all have different lives, experiences, espectations and needs. What works for one won't work for another.
And I know I am totally guilty of this. Actually just got back from breaking the law :rofl1: There is a quarry by us that no one knows about except for some fishermen and us. You've got to walk a ridiculous ways along a busy street and go behind this Nursery to get to it. I still only go there mid day on weekdays to avoid disturbing any of the guys fishing and because of how complicated it is to get there I can't do it everyday.
So yeah, I get the finding places that are unpopulated that you can get away with letting the dogs off leash. BUT I don't think it's really makes sense to go "It's lazy and irresponsible to go to the dog park. Go find a place to illegally let your dog off leash, that's totally more responsible."
Seriously cringing reading about that. And my legs are very tightly crossed.
So yeah, I get the finding places that are unpopulated that you can get away with letting the dogs off leash. BUT I don't think it's really makes sense to go "It's lazy and irresponsible to go to the dog park. Go find a place to illegally let your dog off leash, that's totally more responsible."
Seriously cringing reading about that. And my legs are very tightly crossed.
tsk tsk bad girl lol
I know we all do that from time to time though. When Teddy was alive we would take him down to the river and let him swim and be off leash (technically NOT allowed) that was until he started cutting his feet on broken glass that idiots would leave behind in the water.
but to say it's more responsible to disobey leash laws is a little silly especially knowing how many threads I've seen on Chaz about taking their dogs for a nice walk and having someone who thinks the rules don't apply to them ruin it with their offleash dog.
I know we all do that from time to time though. When Teddy was alive we would take him down to the river and let him swim and be off leash (technically NOT allowed) that was until he started cutting his feet on broken glass that idiots would leave behind in the water.
but to say it's more responsible to disobey leash laws is a little silly especially knowing how many threads I've seen on Chaz about taking their dogs for a nice walk and having someone who thinks the rules don't apply to them ruin it with their offleash dog.
I take my dog Cricket to the dog park from time to time. She loves it and we haven't had any issues. She's an easy going dog and if another dog corrects her she quickly backs down and will go find someone else to play with. I pay super close attention to my dog and to the dogs around us. I know to leave if I feel the slightest bit of reason for me to be concerned for my dog. Just because I take her to a dog park does not make me lazy. She gets plenty of physical and mental stimulation every single day. The dog park is just a little extra perk for her and something we do once in a while. There are some dogs that are just not meant for dog parks and there are other dogs that do great in dog parks. Yes there's a chance you'll run into one of those non dog park friendly dogs... but I've run into PLENTY of non friendly dogs just out walking my dogs ON leash around my own neighborhood. Am I not supposed to even walk my dogs for fear of an unknown strange dog rushing up on us?
But since I've apparently been mistaken this whole time and taking her to the dog park makes me lazy... here's an LOL cat for you. I know we're supposed to wait till page 20... but... I couldn't resist.
But since I've apparently been mistaken this whole time and taking her to the dog park makes me lazy... here's an LOL cat for you. I know we're supposed to wait till page 20... but... I couldn't resist.
Also keep in mind there are people who live in apartments. I walk my dog all the time and many times a week I take him to this tennis court in my apartments. It is not allowed but people really dont care so I make the best of it.
Those apartment people who arent much of a rule breaker, a dog park is a good place to let those dogs have some freedom.
And a lot of people, especially those who never go to a dog park, dont realize that dog parks are usually used by the same people and dogs. It is not like there is a new bunch of dogs every time you go. Every now and again there are new arrivals but most of the time it is the same dogs. Me and my friend go around the same time usually on the same day and most times, we see the same people and animals.
Those apartment people who arent much of a rule breaker, a dog park is a good place to let those dogs have some freedom.
And a lot of people, especially those who never go to a dog park, dont realize that dog parks are usually used by the same people and dogs. It is not like there is a new bunch of dogs every time you go. Every now and again there are new arrivals but most of the time it is the same dogs. Me and my friend go around the same time usually on the same day and most times, we see the same people and animals.
Exactly. We are just going on week three of going every day or every other day. Some days doug works from 8am-midnight. This only happens about once a week though. Our usual time to go is about 6:30-9pm or 9am-10:30am. It depends on where he is working and his hours. But those are our regular times. And we are now starting to get to know faces and dogs and them us.
Meh, I take Finn to our dog park. A lot. It's a sizable spot, never a lot of dogs, and the only dog fight he's ever been involved in was in a backyard with a friend's dog, nowhere near the dog park.
Yup. Our park is a lot of regulars who remove their dog immediately if their dog is having a snarky day (myself included, Finn has his "off" days where he gets a little snippy at the other dogs, never aggressive though). Lots of us know each other by name. We read each other's blogs and share photos. It's a tight-knit spot. New dogs come in, of course, and usually that's okay too.
If someone else has a snarky dog and doesn't remove them, I immediately remove us from the park. It's never, ever been an issue. Most folks also walk their dogs TO the park, so the dogs don't come in all wound up.
And tell my feet, that just took Finn on an hour-long walk/jog after an eight-hour shift hauling dog food at work, that I'm lazy. They may appreciate the break.
Yup. Our park is a lot of regulars who remove their dog immediately if their dog is having a snarky day (myself included, Finn has his "off" days where he gets a little snippy at the other dogs, never aggressive though). Lots of us know each other by name. We read each other's blogs and share photos. It's a tight-knit spot. New dogs come in, of course, and usually that's okay too.
If someone else has a snarky dog and doesn't remove them, I immediately remove us from the park. It's never, ever been an issue. Most folks also walk their dogs TO the park, so the dogs don't come in all wound up.
And tell my feet, that just took Finn on an hour-long walk/jog after an eight-hour shift hauling dog food at work, that I'm lazy. They may appreciate the break.
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I don't "sugar coat" things either. Ask Linds. I'm known for being blunt and surly. People know not to ask me something unless they want a real answer. BUT I don't go out of my way to be an offensive jerk about it.
Example: Someone asks if you like their new haircut.
Sugar Coated: "Ooooh, that's an interesting look! I wish I could pull off short hair!"
Blunt: "Not really, no. I think you look better with long hair. But hey, if it makes you happy, I'm happy for you."
Angry Bold Jackassery (Thank you, Fran.): "What the hell were you thinking? You look like ****. I'm appalled that you are walking around, inflicting that hideous haircut on the world."
Example: Someone asks if you like their new haircut.
Sugar Coated: "Ooooh, that's an interesting look! I wish I could pull off short hair!"
Blunt: "Not really, no. I think you look better with long hair. But hey, if it makes you happy, I'm happy for you."
Angry Bold Jackassery (Thank you, Fran.): "What the hell were you thinking? You look like ****. I'm appalled that you are walking around, inflicting that hideous haircut on the world."
Alot to read in this thread, and I probably will with time (I always read long threads through. Interesting! ), but I just wanted to comment with dog parks.
The one we have nearest to my house, is TERRIBLE with people bringing their PITA dogs. In the sense that they are either males who try to hump females (and sometimes males) constantly, causing annoyance to the owner of the humped dog, and the dog getting overheated while the owner "lols" at it. Dogs who hate other dogs, and try to attack or avoid other dogs from hating them (WTF to their owners, really.)! Or dogs who haven't been socialized until being brought to the dog park, and are full of fear!
With that, I don't even go near there anymore. I went every couple months for a couple years, to see if anything had changed with times, or at the least I could get lucky and have an enjoyable time. Neither happened.
Not to say I wouldn't go to one ever again! If maybe I had a friend, family member, trainer, whatever who went there and could let me know how it would be before I went, or dogs and owners to avoid! But from my past experiences, I just plow past them to start. Which does stink as I enjoy meeting other dogs of breeds and mixes, and my dogs love meeting other dogs to play with, but other owners who can't understand their dog just isn't meant to go to the park have to ruin it!
On the point of dog park go-ers being lazy, I don't understand that! I think they can be a good place to go if you can avoid what I mentioned above and your personal dogs don't fall into those (or others I haven't mentioned). Your dogs can get a good run/play with other dogs, and even if not many others are there, they usually are a pretty good area in size for doing activities!
), but I just wanted to comment with dog parks.The one we have nearest to my house, is TERRIBLE with people bringing their PITA dogs.
In the sense that they are either males who try to hump females (and sometimes males) constantly, causing annoyance to the owner of the humped dog, and the dog getting overheated while the owner "lols" at it. Dogs who hate other dogs, and try to attack or avoid other dogs from hating them (WTF to their owners, really.)! Or dogs who haven't been socialized until being brought to the dog park, and are full of fear!With that, I don't even go near there anymore. I went every couple months for a couple years, to see if anything had changed with times, or at the least I could get lucky and have an enjoyable time. Neither happened.
Not to say I wouldn't go to one ever again! If maybe I had a friend, family member, trainer, whatever who went there and could let me know how it would be before I went, or dogs and owners to avoid! But from my past experiences, I just plow past them to start. Which does stink as I enjoy meeting other dogs of breeds and mixes, and my dogs love meeting other dogs to play with, but other owners who can't understand their dog just isn't meant to go to the park have to ruin it!
On the point of dog park go-ers being lazy, I don't understand that! I think they can be a good place to go if you can avoid what I mentioned above and your personal dogs don't fall into those (or others I haven't mentioned). Your dogs can get a good run/play with other dogs, and even if not many others are there, they usually are a pretty good area in size for doing activities!
I'm sorry you took this personally, but it's the truth. Going to a dog park IS like playing Russian Roulette. You can go for time after time with absolutely nothing happening, and then one day will be complete and utter disaster. Just like spinning the barrel of a gun, having absolutely nothing happening a few times, and blowing your brains out the next. There's nothing insulting about it, it's a fact. You're putting your dog at risk when you take them to a dog park, by far more so then taking them out for a walk on a leash. You see signs all the time at them that say "Warning: Use at your own risk". My dog's well being isn't worth the risk to me.
I just find it inaccurate, I would have to give weight to it to take it personally. I tend to say when I take things personally so don't worry, no need to apologize.
And it's not the truth. It's your opinion. There is a gigantic difference. It isn't the truth that it's inaccurate or a poor analogy, it just is in my opinion.
And it's not the truth. It's your opinion. There is a gigantic difference. It isn't the truth that it's inaccurate or a poor analogy, it just is in my opinion.
Hey, I never said I wasn't a bitch You can tell me where to put it all you want. I'm opinionated. Never said I wasn't.
You take young dogs to dog parks to socialize them? That's lovely. Great way to create a fearful dog. I've seen (just because I don't take MY dogs to dog parks doesn't mean I've never watched what goes on at them) and heard of numerous young dogs that are now DA because their owners took them to a dog park to "socialize" and the dog got attacked. Young dogs should be socialized in a *controlled* setting, not with strange dogs off leash. Take a puppy or basic group OB class; nice, controlled setting with other dogs, plenty of socialization. I'll never understand the mindset that a dog HAS to play with other strange dogs in order to be "socialized".
Personally, I don't let my dogs run full tilt on a long line, I have more control over them than that. I suggested others use a long line to play fetch, etc. to exercise their dogs in an open area. But, I don't use a long line on mine anymore, they have solid recalls and don't need it. If I'm somewhere where for some reason I think they'll stray, they wear e-collars.
You can tell me where to put it all you want. I'm opinionated. Never said I wasn't. You take young dogs to dog parks to socialize them? That's lovely. Great way to create a fearful dog. I've seen (just because I don't take MY dogs to dog parks doesn't mean I've never watched what goes on at them) and heard of numerous young dogs that are now DA because their owners took them to a dog park to "socialize" and the dog got attacked. Young dogs should be socialized in a *controlled* setting, not with strange dogs off leash. Take a puppy or basic group OB class; nice, controlled setting with other dogs, plenty of socialization. I'll never understand the mindset that a dog HAS to play with other strange dogs in order to be "socialized".
Personally, I don't let my dogs run full tilt on a long line, I have more control over them than that. I suggested others use a long line to play fetch, etc. to exercise their dogs in an open area. But, I don't use a long line on mine anymore, they have solid recalls and don't need it. If I'm somewhere where for some reason I think they'll stray, they wear e-collars.
But it IS the truth! No, you're not holding a gun to your dog's head or doing something deliberately to hurt them, but you ARE putting them in a risky and dangerous situation, where it's all pure luck and chance that nothing happens. You are putting your off leash dog into a group of other strange off leash dogs, and trusting that they are all going to get along. You're trusting strange people that they are going to be responsible and watch their dogs. This thread is a great example of how well that worked out. The OP is lucky it stopped where it did. I've seen it way worse.
"It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Literally.
"It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Literally.