"Kombat Kennels" in our subdivision...
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Because bull dogs and alot of mastiffs need c sections when they give birth. C sections arent cheap. The puppies are priced to cover the cost of the procedure.
A lot of people can afford that price if they save for it. The people who can only afford a $300 puppy cant afford vet bills if something happens to their pooch or even spay and neutuering, so they shouldnt be owning a dog anyhow.
So if the dog gets diagnosed with hip dysplasia at the age of 2 -- since you can't test for it prior to that -- are the puppy buyers just screwed? As far as replacing it with another puppy, if the pup has to be replaced, why should they be forced into getting it from a kennel that has already sold them a defective puppy? Shouldn't they be allowed to get at least a partial refund and go buy a pup from someone who health-tests their dogs?
You are totally missing the JIST of what people are saying here on Chaz. They don't care whether the breed APBT, you could be breeding Maltese and you'd get the same reaction. You're preaching to the choir when it comes to educating us on how APBT get a bad rap and what great dogs they are and you would know that about us if you would read more posts here on Chaz. Quite a few members own APBT and some work hard against BSL. It's the way you BREED that gets people upset.
People that have no clue about the breed? Ummm...are you kidding? The people here have almost more of a clue about your breed than you do. While in this forum, you are in no way dealing with people who stereotype the bully breeds or are afraid of them in anyway. These are well-researched dog enthusiasts that disagree with your breeding style, the dogs are innocent products.
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BTU most breeders do NOT make money . Well ethical breeders do NOT make money. OFA are 2-3 hundred each, temperament tests, showing and working COST money.
It takes years of a ethical breeder to establish lines to break even.
And even more years to make any profit.
Only backyard breeders such as yourself MAKE money and live off of dogs producing puppies..
It takes years of a ethical breeder to establish lines to break even.
And even more years to make any profit.
Only backyard breeders such as yourself MAKE money and live off of dogs producing puppies..
Last thing I'll say (hopefully). The ADBA in no way requires all the ribs to be showing. They want to see a well-conditioned machine of an animal. Some people starve their dogs down, but generally the ones that win are the ones who work their dog into ripped condition. My dog took quite a few ribbons at a fun show, and she was winter-fat.
I personally would care less about what was going on if people would all start calling these dogs American Bullies. That would be a pipe dream for me. But folks want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want their bully-style dog, but they still call it a Pit Bull. They want the prestige and power that comes with the already-established name. As far as not calling them American Bullies yet because folks would look at you crazy, is it that important that the marketing of these dogs stays strong? Don't you think we could do with a little more obscurity, and a little less everybody-and-their-cousin owning these dogs?
I personally would care less about what was going on if people would all start calling these dogs American Bullies. That would be a pipe dream for me. But folks want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want their bully-style dog, but they still call it a Pit Bull. They want the prestige and power that comes with the already-established name. As far as not calling them American Bullies yet because folks would look at you crazy, is it that important that the marketing of these dogs stays strong? Don't you think we could do with a little more obscurity, and a little less everybody-and-their-cousin owning these dogs?
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Here is my 2 cents for what it's worth.
I was just chatting about breeding etc at my vets the other day when I was getting the ultra sound done on my (YAY yes she is pregnant) bitch. I won't bore you with how much I've spent since I acquired this bitch on training her, and showing her to earn titles, but it is a significant amount. 5K+ for certain.
People like me show and breed dogs as a hobby. What I said to the staff at the vet clinic (as they laughed and petted my bitch as she carried her candy basket around to visit with them) is that in order to breed properly, you must do one very important thing.
YOU MUST LOVE YOUR BREED.
Your breed, and what is best for it, must come before ANY of your personal goals as a breeder or exhibitor or trainer of dogs.
Therefore, when one has a deep and abiding love and respect for their breed, one would never make any breeding that would have a detrimental effect. So people who love their breed DO ALL HEALTH TESTING before they would EVER consider a breeding.
APBTs and AmStaffs not only have hip issues, they are RIDDLED with inherited heart issues, and should, IMO also have eye and thyroid testing before being used for breeding.
Breeding dogs and creating new life is serious business. Surely you would want to do what is best for your breed, and the innocent puppies that are being created through your breedings?
If you are interested in finding out more about health testing, you can visit these sites to learn more information.
Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
Canine Eye Registry Foundation
I was just chatting about breeding etc at my vets the other day when I was getting the ultra sound done on my (YAY yes she is pregnant) bitch. I won't bore you with how much I've spent since I acquired this bitch on training her, and showing her to earn titles, but it is a significant amount. 5K+ for certain.
People like me show and breed dogs as a hobby. What I said to the staff at the vet clinic (as they laughed and petted my bitch as she carried her candy basket around to visit with them) is that in order to breed properly, you must do one very important thing.
YOU MUST LOVE YOUR BREED.
Your breed, and what is best for it, must come before ANY of your personal goals as a breeder or exhibitor or trainer of dogs.
Therefore, when one has a deep and abiding love and respect for their breed, one would never make any breeding that would have a detrimental effect. So people who love their breed DO ALL HEALTH TESTING before they would EVER consider a breeding.
APBTs and AmStaffs not only have hip issues, they are RIDDLED with inherited heart issues, and should, IMO also have eye and thyroid testing before being used for breeding.
Breeding dogs and creating new life is serious business. Surely you would want to do what is best for your breed, and the innocent puppies that are being created through your breedings?
If you are interested in finding out more about health testing, you can visit these sites to learn more information.
Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
Canine Eye Registry Foundation
[QUOTE=KmbtKnnls;744750]I guess can't everybody be as perfect as you, my dogs come with a 1 year health guarantee against health problems so long as their vet gives them a signed letter for me stating that the problem is caused by birth and can't be fixed. I
SO Hip issues are caused at birth?
IMO HD is a inherited genetic defect and and vet that claims it is NOT is a
con artist.
By not xraying and selecting away from it you yourself are causing the chance of HD to become a issue with your pups.
And anyone wishing to get money back will and has been vindicated in a court of law by bringing in dR and DR with tons of medical research to PROVE it is a defect that can be avoided if screening takes place.
PS Im not perfect but I strive for perfection in every breeding.
And I did pit bull rescue for 30 years..
SO Hip issues are caused at birth?
IMO HD is a inherited genetic defect and and vet that claims it is NOT is a
con artist.
By not xraying and selecting away from it you yourself are causing the chance of HD to become a issue with your pups.
And anyone wishing to get money back will and has been vindicated in a court of law by bringing in dR and DR with tons of medical research to PROVE it is a defect that can be avoided if screening takes place.
PS Im not perfect but I strive for perfection in every breeding.
And I did pit bull rescue for 30 years..
The reason people are on your case is that you are not bettering the breed. Your dogs aren't even true purebreds (APBT or Amstaffs). A breeders main concern should be to make the breed better....not worse. You should not breed your dogs unless they have been OFA (or comparable test) for hips, elbows and Heart...these are all problems in the APBT or Amstaff.
Its not about "Nosey" neighbors, its about people putting dogs first. The welfare of the dogs is what is important. Just because you feed your dogs does not mean you are taking care of them. How is their health care. How much exercise do they get? How do you stimulate their minds? Dogs are human companions and need socialization and much much more!
Gotti and Razors Edge lines are not something to be proud of; those are "lines" that are famous with BYBers not people who really care about the APBT or Amstaff.
Some of the dogs that are supposed to be "Full Bloods" are often part Presa, American Bulldog, OEB or even Neos.
What is the goal of your kennel....what is your mission statement? If the answer to that question isn't to improve the breed and find homes what will give the best possible life to your puppies then you should reevaluate your breeding operation.
What advice on breeding, there are some good ones here. Talk to Planet Molosser or RedyreRottweilers they both are fantastic breeders and have a wealth of knowledge.
Side note....there are people on here that know more about APBTs and Amstaffs than you most likely can imagine. Not trying to slam you but from your posts it is clear that the source of your information is mostly Urban legend and BS.
Its not about "Nosey" neighbors, its about people putting dogs first. The welfare of the dogs is what is important. Just because you feed your dogs does not mean you are taking care of them. How is their health care. How much exercise do they get? How do you stimulate their minds? Dogs are human companions and need socialization and much much more!
Gotti and Razors Edge lines are not something to be proud of; those are "lines" that are famous with BYBers not people who really care about the APBT or Amstaff.
Some of the dogs that are supposed to be "Full Bloods" are often part Presa, American Bulldog, OEB or even Neos.
What is the goal of your kennel....what is your mission statement? If the answer to that question isn't to improve the breed and find homes what will give the best possible life to your puppies then you should reevaluate your breeding operation.
What advice on breeding, there are some good ones here. Talk to Planet Molosser or RedyreRottweilers they both are fantastic breeders and have a wealth of knowledge.
Side note....there are people on here that know more about APBTs and Amstaffs than you most likely can imagine. Not trying to slam you but from your posts it is clear that the source of your information is mostly Urban legend and BS.
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To the OP, I truly wish the best for you. I think it's terrible that you posted this for all the right reasons, and then you end up getting threatened by someone with "sweet" dogs. Right.
BTW- was anyone else weirded out that they actually show pictures of the dogs tie-ing? Creepy. Just creepy.
Anyway- to KMB kennels, you realize that your reactions to these questions are just proving the fact that you're exactly what everyone thus far has said that you were, right?
So, you don't know the health problems inherent in the dogs you breed. You're really not sure what is behind your own dogs, but you're totally positive that you produce healthy puppies that are on standard.
I hope you reconsider your position and stick around and learn from this forum.
BTW- was anyone else weirded out that they actually show pictures of the dogs tie-ing? Creepy. Just creepy.
Anyway- to KMB kennels, you realize that your reactions to these questions are just proving the fact that you're exactly what everyone thus far has said that you were, right?
So, you don't know the health problems inherent in the dogs you breed. You're really not sure what is behind your own dogs, but you're totally positive that you produce healthy puppies that are on standard.
I hope you reconsider your position and stick around and learn from this forum.
I'm not making any threats, it's just that this lady wants to publicly call out my dogs and myself and have all you uptight breeders look down your nose at me, you're not better than me, not one of you, i don't care what you think of my practices or my dogs. My dogs are healthy and well cared for. All I was meaning is that now they know that I know they were talking crap, so for sake of embarassment they'll be avoiding me. Like i said, I don't care what they or you think.
No one here truly wants to be mean to you. But, we are concerned with your breeding practices. You may say that's none of our business but I happen to think the welfare of animals is everyone's business.
How do you know your dogs won't have genetic health problems? By looking at them? There's a reason those tests exist. If people could just scan a dog or say, "Nope, it doesn't seem to have any defects and neither do the parents, let's breed it!" no responsible breeder would have them done. The reputable breeders I know would not feel comfortable breeding a dog without those tests done.
Why do you breed? I think that says a lot about a person's ethics when it comes to breeding.
A year health guarantee? Why such a short amount of time? Most genetic problems aren't even showing themselves yet at that age.
If you don't walk them, how do they get exercise?
I think if you're really making a profit or living off of breeding you are cutting corners. Health tests, vet care for the mom and pups, whelping supplies, other reputable care for the animals to ensure safe breeding will rack up the costs far more than the moeny made off the pups.
Breeding for the heck of it or for companions is one of the reasons the shelters are so full. Dogs that are bred for a purpose with waiting lists of carefully screened buyers find homes with a purpose with carefully screened and responsible owners.
Do you have a waiting list before breeding or do you just breed then try to find homes for them?
Again, this is no attack but genuine questions and concerns.
How do you know your dogs won't have genetic health problems? By looking at them? There's a reason those tests exist. If people could just scan a dog or say, "Nope, it doesn't seem to have any defects and neither do the parents, let's breed it!" no responsible breeder would have them done. The reputable breeders I know would not feel comfortable breeding a dog without those tests done.
Why do you breed? I think that says a lot about a person's ethics when it comes to breeding.
A year health guarantee? Why such a short amount of time? Most genetic problems aren't even showing themselves yet at that age.
If you don't walk them, how do they get exercise?
I think if you're really making a profit or living off of breeding you are cutting corners. Health tests, vet care for the mom and pups, whelping supplies, other reputable care for the animals to ensure safe breeding will rack up the costs far more than the moeny made off the pups.
Breeding for the heck of it or for companions is one of the reasons the shelters are so full. Dogs that are bred for a purpose with waiting lists of carefully screened buyers find homes with a purpose with carefully screened and responsible owners.
Do you have a waiting list before breeding or do you just breed then try to find homes for them?
Again, this is no attack but genuine questions and concerns.
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All I will say is that this: http://www.kombatkennels.com/JewelsHome.html is NOT an APBT. I would call it an English Bulldog first.
http://www.kombatkennels.com/ElleHome.html
??? You are trying to tell me that is an APBT?? Really??
Might be some good reading for you if you REALLY care about the breed
http://www.rarebreed.com/breeds/pitbull/pitbull_ukc_std.html
"Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds."
What a APBT SHOULD look like:
http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/coty.html
http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/cc.html
I dont really know if you are mix breeding on purpose or if you dont realize what is in your dog's history but none of your dogs are pure bred?
http://www.kombatkennels.com/ElleHome.html
??? You are trying to tell me that is an APBT?? Really??
Might be some good reading for you if you REALLY care about the breed
http://www.rarebreed.com/breeds/pitbull/pitbull_ukc_std.html
"Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds."
What a APBT SHOULD look like:
http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/coty.html
http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/cc.html
I dont really know if you are mix breeding on purpose or if you dont realize what is in your dog's history but none of your dogs are pure bred?
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