"Kombat Kennels" in our subdivision...

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If you did not care you would NOT be here period.
And point is our animals are WELL taken care of and PROVEN Healthy.
We all dont think we are better than you - we feel sorry for you _ big difference.

All of us do the right things not to prove we are better than you as a person or as a breeder.
But to better our chosen breeds and to make a difference.

When your long and gone NO one will remember you or your kennel name.
Where breeders who PROVE the dogs thus bettering the breed will go down in history books.
Nice to leave something behind worth remembering.
 
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There are a lot of different points that need to be made addressing this particular thread of posts. First of all, I find it hard to accept the fact that you happened to be walking your pet in the subdivision in which you live, where you passed by one of your neighbor's homes, where you saw something that you did not like. Since, the person owning these kennels in their garage and the pit bulls that reside there, own the home in which you passed, therefore to me that means that it should not be any concern of yours about what they have in their home. I feel that it was extremely inappropriate for you to come on this website and say negative things about something that you do not know about. You do not know about the owners, the breed, their living arrangements, etc. Therefore it is not your place to "report" what you saw. You are not apart of the ASPCA and if you were it would be a sad day for that organization, because these dogs are well taken care of, contrary to your belief. My second point to be addressed is the problems that people have with the dogs on kombatkennels.com. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but this is ridiculous. Some of you have taken the time to break down the information on each and every dog on the website; do you not have something better to do? If you do not like what you see, look at it and move on. Taking the time to degrade the dogs that you know nothing about is extremely inappropriate. You have never seen any of these dogs in person, and therefore you have no clue what Kombat Kennels is about. Everyone appears to be doing their own personal research, but no one is taking the time to look at these dogs in person. I would value the nosy neighbors opinion more if she could say that she has actual seen these dogs in person and that there was something wrong with them. Even then I would not value her opinion to much, because it appears she knows nothing about the breed at all, because if she did she would not be on this forum asking odd question as if she has been appointed to "save the day". Also, to call the bully dogs fat, is your personal opinion, but this type of pit bull is very muscular and if you have been around "bully" dogs you would know that they are not fat, just very thick. It is just as easy for me to say that I think your standard 40lbs APBT is skinny and malnourished, but I would not do that because I do not have the background on the traditional style, much like you do not have the background or expertise on the bully bred pit bulls. I am also disturbed by the fact that you stated that you are just now noticing these dogs. It amazes me that the owner of these dogs has no clue who you are, but you seem to have a plethora of information about the way they take care of their dogs. Quoting you in saying that the dogs are... "Caged all day and all night or left in the backyard to bark and be frustrated" is a great claim for someone who has never seen the dogs before caged or not caged. If I were the owner of kombat kennels I would pursue you in a court of law for slander. You are speaking negatively with no knowledge or expertise of their breeding, them, or their pets. Therefore, you lack the knowledge to effectively comment on their breeding, breeds, and kennel. You have taken the name of kombat kennels and tainted it, therefore it is only fair for the owner of kombat kennels to attempt to recover any damages, including loss of business, that he may have incurred from this worldwide post of negative comments against his name. Lastly, It is a shame that you are using so much energy to slander a breeder that actually does care and love each and every one of his dogs, instead of focusing your energies on someone who truly breeds for negative purposes and money. In conclusion, I hope that in the future you use your "inquisitiveness" for more positive purposes, as opposed to dragging a respectable breeder’s name through the mud.
 
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I think the majority of the accusations and claims made on this thread have been addressed, it is obvious that the breeder loves and cares about their dogs, it isn't the dogs we have the biggest problem with. It is the fact of how they go about breeding that we have a problem with. Why do they not do testing on their dogs is just beyond me and for that reason right there, I would never recommend anyone ever even bother to waste their time visiting the site for this breeder. It is SO important to do the genetic health testing for specific problems. You cannot guarentee anything or make the claim that the dogs are absolutely healthy unless you test. It is as simple as that. Why would someone even want to produce more and more dogs if they don't know if they are selling dogs wil future GENETIC health problems.

I am sure this is going in one ear and out the other. But you claim that most breeders that charge $800, $1000, $2000+ make a profit? Not if they are doing things correctly, not if they are spending the money on vet bills, behavior, and TESTING for those painful, lifethreatening problems. (I won't bring up showing because you already addressed that).

Of all the other things mentioned, do you not care if you are producing puppies with life threatening genetic health problems such as hip dysplasia?? Just please answer that, why don't you care about the long term health of your puppies? You are responsible for them, you are trying to make a name for yourself in the breeding world, don't you care about this important step??
 

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So I guess we can assume that this post is to take the place of answers to the legitimate questions on temperament and health testing that most notable breeders are generally very pleased and proud to answer.
 

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Yeah, I know, what do you want me to say? I don't test my dogs for hip problems and so on???? All you want to do is ridicule me about it, so go on, ridicule away. Pits aren't known for their health problems like bulldogs or mastiffs.
Actually in the OFA listings, 22.4% of APBT's tested are shown to have hip dypslasia. That means one in every 4.5 dogs (how many puppies have you produced from untested stock so far? Hip dysplasia often doesn't show up until two years old or later). With elbow dysplasia, it's about one in every eight dogs, thyroid disease is one in ten. Statistics aren't as readily available for some of the other diseases, but APBT's are listed frequently as being known for congenital heart disease, hereditary cataracts, and allergies.

While you and your buddies (I'm guessing the recent rant is a friend .. *L*) may want to consider comments about your kennel as slander, the reality is that GOOD breeders go to great lengths to health test their stock prior to breeding. If you don't health test, then no one is slandering you by saying "you're not a good breeder because you don't health test". Slander has to be FALSE. When you sell a product but don't bother to back up that product with reasonable proven quality (health as well as titles) then you can't cry foul when people say "hmmm, there's a level of quality missing here".

Reality is reality. If you're not health testing and you're not proving your stock, then you're not the quality of breeder that is generally respected. It has nothing to do with the breed (in fact this forum is full of pro-pit people).

Maybe now is the time to take a step back and do some research into the health problems in the breed. Breeding for a certain look without ensuring the best possible health is extremely poor breeding ethics. It's not too late to start doing the right thing.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
.. including Khana R.A., Delta Society Pet Partner (Therapy Dog), OFA Hips - Elbows - Patellas - Thyroid (all this and we're not done health testing!)
 
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You have taken the name of kombat kennels and tainted it, therefore it is only fair for the owner of kombat kennels to attempt to recover any damages, including loss of business, that he may have incurred from this worldwide post of negative comments against his name. Lastly, It is a shame that you are using so much energy to slander a breeder that actually does care and love each and every one of his dogs...
Firstly, paragraph breaks are your friend and ours.

Secondly, slander is spoken. In print, its libel. Haven't you seen Spiderman?

Thirdly, if this guy loses business, it would only be because his customers are asking all the right questions. Breeding shouldn't be a business. That's what honest jobs are for. Breeding should only be done to better the breed.
 

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Wow....KK, you really don't get it and your "friend" doesn't understand slander. Repeating the obvious that can be seen his website is not Slander or Libel.
 

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There are a lot of different points that need to be made addressing this particular thread of posts. First of all, I find it hard to accept the fact that you happened to be walking your pet in the subdivision in which you live, where you passed by one of your neighbor's homes, where you saw something that you did not like. Since, the person owning these kennels in their garage and the pit bulls that reside there, own the home in which you passed, therefore to me that means that it should not be any concern of yours about what they have in their home. I feel that it was extremely inappropriate for you to come on this website and say negative things about something that you do not know about. You do not know about the owners, the breed, their living arrangements, etc. Therefore it is not your place to "report" what you saw. You are not apart of the ASPCA and if you were it would be a sad day for that organization, because these dogs are well taken care of, contrary to your belief. My second point to be addressed is the problems that people have with the dogs on kombatkennels.com. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but this is ridiculous. Some of you have taken the time to break down the information on each and every dog on the website; do you not have something better to do? If you do not like what you see, look at it and move on. Taking the time to degrade the dogs that you know nothing about is extremely inappropriate. You have never seen any of these dogs in person, and therefore you have no clue what Kombat Kennels is about. Everyone appears to be doing their own personal research, but no one is taking the time to look at these dogs in person. I would value the nosy neighbors opinion more if she could say that she has actual seen these dogs in person and that there was something wrong with them. Even then I would not value her opinion to much, because it appears she knows nothing about the breed at all, because if she did she would not be on this forum asking odd question as if she has been appointed to "save the day". Also, to call the bully dogs fat, is your personal opinion, but this type of pit bull is very muscular and if you have been around "bully" dogs you would know that they are not fat, just very thick. It is just as easy for me to say that I think your standard 40lbs APBT is skinny and malnourished, but I would not do that because I do not have the background on the traditional style, much like you do not have the background or expertise on the bully bred pit bulls. I am also disturbed by the fact that you stated that you are just now noticing these dogs. It amazes me that the owner of these dogs has no clue who you are, but you seem to have a plethora of information about the way they take care of their dogs. Quoting you in saying that the dogs are... "Caged all day and all night or left in the backyard to bark and be frustrated" is a great claim for someone who has never seen the dogs before caged or not caged. If I were the owner of kombat kennels I would pursue you in a court of law for slander. You are speaking negatively with no knowledge or expertise of their breeding, them, or their pets. Therefore, you lack the knowledge to effectively comment on their breeding, breeds, and kennel. You have taken the name of kombat kennels and tainted it, therefore it is only fair for the owner of kombat kennels to attempt to recover any damages, including loss of business, that he may have incurred from this worldwide post of negative comments against his name. Lastly, It is a shame that you are using so much energy to slander a breeder that actually does care and love each and every one of his dogs, instead of focusing your energies on someone who truly breeds for negative purposes and money. In conclusion, I hope that in the future you use your "inquisitiveness" for more positive purposes, as opposed to dragging a respectable breeder’s name through the mud.
Wow. I hope you know that you did not just help your friend, KmbtKnnls out at all.

You find it hard to believe that the OP walked through her neighborhood and saw something she didn't like? Well, I can take a gander through my neighborhood and see a lot of things I don't like. Heck, I just go out in my backyard and listen to the puppy that lives behind us whine and cry all day because he's out alone all day and I don't like that.

As far as who and what may concern someone in their own neighborhood, anyone living in that subdivision in which Kombat Kennels resides has every right to voice their concerns and especially to the local officials if they see something they don't like. It's how I can call AC and report a dog fight if the owners are irresponsible. It's how I can report a lost dog. It's how irresponsible people don't get to own dogs after so many complaints.

this type of pit bull
Gee, I didn't know that there were different types of pit bulls. There goes any sort of standard that all reputable breeders should be striving for and this quote from the website (below) would tell any visitor that they are APBT's, well, except for the dogs they have to show for it.
KOMBATING BSL FOR THE SAKE OF THE APBT
And what kind of reputable breeder gets rid of their dogs? Oh well, she popped out some litters and she's useless now- she's free! Poor dogs...

Everyone appears to be doing their own personal research, but no one is taking the time to look at these dogs in person.
Why would anyone need to when the website is enough to make everyone turn the other way? Obviously, if this breeder is so well intentioned, their website is not showing that..

And FYI- we've not tainted the Kombat Kennels name by any means- the owners have done that all by themselves! Someone should pat them on the back.

Bottom line- responsible breeders have their dogs health tested, only breed the top specimens of their breed, don't give dogs away for free, and don't have names that are quite suggestive, because if they loved and admired the breed so, they would not have a name such as "Kombat Kennels"- hmm, wonder what they breed for? Again, poor dogs...

And one more thing, a reputable breeder would not need to defend themselves or their kennels or their dogs and would certainly NOT join a public forum and threaten people living in their subdivision. Need I say more? No, I didn't think so.
 
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You have taken the name of kombat kennels and tainted it,
No. I think they did that all by themselves by breeding untitled dogs of questionable pedigree status with no health testing, posting photographs of dogs tied during breeding (how perfectely disgusting), and then finally by what has been posted here.

Learning about responsible breeding is a good thing. Everyone had to learn. It is best to learn before you begin breeding, but learning about it at ANY time is a good thing.

A closed mind leads to a dead end street. When breeding practices are obviously unethical, and can lead to a lifetime of pain and misery for the produce, people get interested and concerned. It's very sad to me to see the defensive responses. It is more sad for the dogs involved.

JMO as always.
 

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I think you would have a better chance of hoodwinking the public if your site looked a little more pro. The language alone would make me walk away.

So if some family buys a pup from you and it turns out riddled with genetic issues by 4, they call you, what do you say?
 
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For all of those who responded to my reply: You all appear to be making statements and claims on the dog breed or the owner, when inevitably, you know nothing about either of the two and the things you are saying are not factually correct. Once again, I say that if I were the owner of Kombat Kennels, I would immediately hire a lawyer, find the "neighbor" that is responsible. Which would not be that hard considering, she walks Wrigley, every night and file suit against her for defamation and if he wanted to take the time he should attempt to obtain the contact information for anyone on this thread that has not stated factual information about HIS Kennel or his DOGS. For example, IF, not saying it is (for those who jump to conclusions), this, being the sale of dogs from his kennel, is a part of his livelihood, you (being the neighbor and anyone else making FALSE statements on here or anywhere else) can easily be sued for defamation. He then could seek damages for anything lost because of the above comments. Including, business, and anything that he lost personally, such as time, or stress in dealing with the things that you all stated above. I will add some comments that can be considered as FALSE statements that were stated above; Quoting, "REDYRE ROTTWEILERS" "breeding untitled dogs of questionable pedigree status with no health testing", Do you personally know if these dogs have been health tested, my guess would be NO, therefore it is a FALSE statement". "Author Unknown" "Bottom line- responsible breeders have their dogs health tested, only breed the top specimens of their breed, don't give dogs away for free, and don't have names that are quite suggestive, because if they loved and admired the breed so, they would not have a name such as "Kombat Kennels"- hmm, wonder what they breed for? Again, poor dogs..." Do you know exactly why he is giving the dog away for free? Once again, my guess is NO. In this statement the author also suggest that he may be breeding for "OTHER" purposes, because of their name. Do you have evidence that this breeder is breeding for other purposes. My guess once again is.....NO! Hopefully, this will open the eyes of some of the people who feel the need to make statements and/or comments on and about something that you do not know much about.
 
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I think what I would do is make screen shots of all these veiled threats, and indications of how much you know about the OP, and notify my local law enforcement people immediately.

Take note, OP. Screen shot all this and talk to your local authorities.

My experience, tho, those that posture and blow hard like this are mostly hot air.

And yes, please do get an attorney. They will laugh you out of their office.

:D ;) :rolleyes: :lol-sign:

For all of those who responded to my reply: You all appear to be making statements and claims on the dog breed or the owner, when inevitably, you know nothing about either of the two and the things you are saying are not factually correct. Once again, I say that if I were the owner of Kombat Kennels, I would immediately hire a lawyer, find the "neighbor" that is responsible. Which would not be that hard considering, she walks Wrigley, every night and file suit against her for defamation and if he wanted to take the time he should attempt to obtain the contact information for anyone on this thread that has not stated factual information about HIS Kennel or his DOGS. For example, IF, not saying it is (for those who jump to conclusions), this, being the sale of dogs from his kennel, is a part of his livelihood, you (being the neighbor and anyone else making FALSE statements on here or anywhere else) can easily be sued for defamation. He then could seek damages for anything lost because of the above comments. Including, business, and anything that he lost personally, such as time, or stress in dealing with the things that you all stated above. I will add some comments that can be considered as FALSE statements that were stated above; Quoting, "REDYRE ROTTWEILERS" "breeding untitled dogs of questionable pedigree status with no health testing", Do you personally know if these dogs have been health tested, my guess would be NO, therefore it is a FALSE statement".
It would be much better for you to stop guessing. OFA is a public data base for all dogs graded normal hips or elbows. If dogs are not in this data base, it can be assumed they have not had hips graded.

"Author Unknown" "Bottom line- responsible breeders have their dogs health tested, only breed the top specimens of their breed, don't give dogs away for free, and don't have names that are quite suggestive, because if they loved and admired the breed so, they would not have a name such as "Kombat Kennels"- hmm, wonder what they breed for? Again, poor dogs..." Do you know exactly why he is giving the dog away for free? Once again, my guess is NO. In this statement the author also suggest that he may be breeding for "OTHER" purposes, because of their name. Do you have evidence that this breeder is breeding for other purposes. My guess once again is.....NO! Hopefully, this will open the eyes of some of the people who feel the need to make statements and/or comments on and about something that you do not know much about.
And I would finally suggest that if you don't want your dogs under scrutiny, don't put up a public website.
 

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Well, thank you Kombat Kennels for promoting BSL. Because that is all you are doing. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
 
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One must keep in mind that there is a difference between stating an opinion and stating something as factual ;) I've been through something similar as this before, got a lawyer's opinion on the matter and now am aware of the...shall we say "do's and don'ts?"
 

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Well, thank you Kombat Kennels for promoting BSL. Because that is all you are doing. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
isn't that the truth. sigh. because pit bulls need more people like this owning and breeding them indiscriminately. because there aren't enough crap-bred pit bulls dying every day in shelters, after all.

i just will never understand what it is about that certain corner of our culture that makes this kind of thing acceptable.
 

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Do you personally know if these dogs have been health tested,
I personally know that the person will not answer the question. So far, all we got is "We aren't all perfect". Nor will he/she tell us if the dogs being bred have been temperament tested. I have yet to see a web site for a reputable dog breeder who doesn't already answer that question on the web site. So why don't we just assume that it is a sin of omission and find out the answer right now? We want to know for posterity, because we will then all learn how it is that someone could do all this genetic, health and temperament testing for breed betterment and security for owners-- and still sell dogs for a couple of hundred dollars. If we cannot get this answer, then it certainly is in the best interest of anyone interested in buying a dog to assume these kinds of precautions are NOT taken--and it is perfectly legal to do so. So shove your very poor rendition of legal mumbo jumbo threats up your nose.
 
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One must keep in mind that there is a difference between stating an opinion and stating something as factual ;) I've been through something similar as this before, got a lawyer's opinion on the matter and now am aware of the...shall we say "do's and don'ts?"
Excellent POINT too bad most people do NOT follow this advice.
Opinions are justified and in most cases not actionable.
Stating lies presented as facts ex " those dogs are MUTTS" "those titles are fake"
is 100% actionable in court.
Because if they PROVE the dogs are PURE and or have verifable titles.
The person stating those made up fact will be held actionbable for it.

Saying" I hate the breeder, or her dogs or they are ugly or I dont like that color or type or size "is your opinion and it is protected in the USA.

The only HUGE difference between this thread and the normal slander a breeder thread.

If someone who has lived CLOSE enough to see whatever is voicing a opinion.
Vs others that make things up without ever meeting the breeder, the dogs in question, or in some cases NEVER seeing the breed.

I will take eyes vs ears any day...
 
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