Fertility treatments, what are your opinions?
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Are you being serious?
People are ticked because you said that people who have kids who MIGHT end up with issues is selfish. Enough people quoted that from you in this thread that it should have been pretty clear why they were offended. It certainly wasn't worded as "I have issues that I don't want tO pass on to kids" and more "people who have issues who have kids are selfish"
People are ticked because you said that people who have kids who MIGHT end up with issues is selfish. Enough people quoted that from you in this thread that it should have been pretty clear why they were offended. It certainly wasn't worded as "I have issues that I don't want tO pass on to kids" and more "people who have issues who have kids are selfish"
I'm not ticked, but when you say, "Like, you KNOW your kid will suffer, might live in constant pain, might die young and live a life that no one should be forced to live, but you're going to make them anyway?" it doesn't sound like you're talking about your own personal reasons for not having children, it sounds like you're making a statement about other people's choices. :]
And I neither have children nor want them, either.
And I neither have children nor want them, either.
No, it definitely makes sense. No matter what, life will truck on and people make the best out of everything. Nothing ever seems as bad as it might from a different point of view.
But my trials, the things I've been through and dealt with, I wouldn't wish my my worst enemy, let alone my own child. From my view on things, I figured everyone would like to change the suffering in certain people's lives. But other people, like you, said from a different point of view it doesn't really seem to matter all that much because life is life and life is worth living.
So it really depends on who you are and your own outlook on life and it's pain/trials. Are they for better or worse, type of thing. But in the end, that's all you can really do. Just pick someone's head about it and bounce around ideas. Until someone gets all personally offended, anyway.
No one will ever stand for their rights being dictated by others due to someone else's point of view, so its a moot point.
But my trials, the things I've been through and dealt with, I wouldn't wish my my worst enemy, let alone my own child. From my view on things, I figured everyone would like to change the suffering in certain people's lives. But other people, like you, said from a different point of view it doesn't really seem to matter all that much because life is life and life is worth living.
So it really depends on who you are and your own outlook on life and it's pain/trials. Are they for better or worse, type of thing. But in the end, that's all you can really do. Just pick someone's head about it and bounce around ideas. Until someone gets all personally offended, anyway.
No one will ever stand for their rights being dictated by others due to someone else's point of view, so its a moot point.
Yep that's exactly how I read it.
At any rate most of those disorders are things that have a genetic component or have a genetic correlation but they're not proven to be caused solely by genetics. If I have PCOS it is far more likely that my mom or daughter or sister has it too as compared to women that don't have it.
Even then, you could be completely clear of any genetic disorder that you know of and then only find out you and your partner both carry a recessive trait that you passed to your child. Or there could be something wrong in development. There is no one that is perfect with a perfect family tree. Having children is always a risk.
No one wants their kids to suffer. You pray and hope for the best.
At any rate most of those disorders are things that have a genetic component or have a genetic correlation but they're not proven to be caused solely by genetics. If I have PCOS it is far more likely that my mom or daughter or sister has it too as compared to women that don't have it.
Even then, you could be completely clear of any genetic disorder that you know of and then only find out you and your partner both carry a recessive trait that you passed to your child. Or there could be something wrong in development. There is no one that is perfect with a perfect family tree. Having children is always a risk.
No one wants their kids to suffer. You pray and hope for the best.
???? LOL I for one will always defend my husband (right or wrong I know his heart and any issues will be hashed out between the two of us and not on a public forum) instead of publicly berate him whenever possible and I personally don't really care if anyone who is not funding our family thinks we should have kids or not because their opinion really has no bearing on our life or our ability to raise well loved children.
I was simply wondering how it was you couldn't figure out why people were upset when they were quoting you and telling you exactly why and it had zero to do with you stating why YOU don't want children and everything to do with you calling people selfish for it, just as everyone was upset when my husband said the opposite was selfish.
I was simply wondering how it was you couldn't figure out why people were upset when they were quoting you and telling you exactly why and it had zero to do with you stating why YOU don't want children and everything to do with you calling people selfish for it, just as everyone was upset when my husband said the opposite was selfish.
Of course I don't want people to suffer. I definitely don't want loved ones to suffer. I would gladly take on any suffering handed to my nieces for them.
To me this idea is very akin to the animal rights idea that there is too much dog abuse in the world. If only no dogs existed then no dogs would suffer. Yes, it does make sense but no dogs would LIVE either.
To me this idea is very akin to the animal rights idea that there is too much dog abuse in the world. If only no dogs existed then no dogs would suffer. Yes, it does make sense but no dogs would LIVE either.
No, no one is offended by your own reasons for not having kids of your own. People did get offended when you extended your personal reasons onto others, as to why they shouldn't have kids.
You can pedal backwards all you want, but your bike is still going forward.
I've never said that I believe everyone with a uterus shoud have a child. I have many friends who do not have children, for a variety of reasons, therefore they do not have them. Some are worried about genetic health issues (1 friend is a carrier of MD), and some do not wish to give up their current lifestyle (nice cars, lots of traveling, active social life, etc.). And yet, we're still friends. I would only have a problem had they started berating me for not putting my money to "better use" than using it for fertility drugs...
You can pedal backwards all you want, but your bike is still going forward.
I've never said that I believe everyone with a uterus shoud have a child. I have many friends who do not have children, for a variety of reasons, therefore they do not have them. Some are worried about genetic health issues (1 friend is a carrier of MD), and some do not wish to give up their current lifestyle (nice cars, lots of traveling, active social life, etc.). And yet, we're still friends. I would only have a problem had they started berating me for not putting my money to "better use" than using it for fertility drugs...
Meh, I have Asperger's and the OCD, anxiety, and other issues that come with it, and I really wish I didn't have it. If a cure was ever found, I would jump at the chance, because I hate it. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who has a disorder, whether mental or physical, is appreciative of it.
I don't hate life, I really do like it, but I wouldn't care one way or another if I had never been born, as I wouldn't exactly even be aware of the fact
I don't hate life, I really do like it, but I wouldn't care one way or another if I had never been born, as I wouldn't exactly even be aware of the fact