Dog Breeds That Shouldn't Be Bred?

[Angelika2]

I think the woman who made that comment about some breeds shouldn't be bred is an ignorant statement to make,especially to a doxie mom..lol(I have 2 doxies myself) and would have taken offense to such stupidity.
First off,She does not know what she is talking about because Dachsies have been around for centuries,the standard was 21-32 pounds..no minis at that time,through the decades breeders started downsizing doxies to get the mini breed,upon doing so has taken away some of the dna to make a standard..a standard.
Don't get me wrong I love my mini doxie to pieces and wouldn't trade him for the world,he is my first doxie and certainly not the last.I have learned alot in 2 years having him.I also have a standard doxie which was given to me by a breeder friend..he also is a living doll.
I have terrible issues with poor breeders who do not try to live up to the breed standard...That is where health issues come into play..at least a contributing factor!
I also have a black lab..labs are prone to have hip dysplaysia,sheep dogs have eye issues...etc...My point is every breed has some health issue to be concerned about,so based on what this woman is saying perhaps there shouldn't be any dogs bred?
Well....I will have to post on the rescue thread as I can get carried away!...

Thank you and I hope this helped some
Take Care
Angelika

 

[Ohm]

my opinion, any dog that can't reproduce without assistance shouldn't be bred. my definition of an evolutionary dead end is that.

 

[corgi_love]

I don't know. I guess part of me refuses to believe that a dog that removed from the general canine type can be healthy. Are Corgis supposed to be really easty-westy with their legs seemingly pinned together under their chest? I see that a lot, and it just doesn't seem like it would be a healthy, comfortable structure to live with. ETA: Undoubtedly there are other Corgis who are built more moderately, and would do just fine. I just wish they wouldn't have passed around a memo that they need to try and obliterate my dogs. :rofl1:

Yes they are healthy. If they were uncomfortable there surely is no sign of it at all. And it is in the standard for Cardigans feet to be positioned as such.

And I'm confused. You cringe at long haired breeds? Shouldn't you cringe at long haired dogs that aren't cared for, rather than the hair itself? Or is it now the dogs fault it isn't groomed at home?

 

[Miakoda]

I know three people who have had a total of 6 Boxers, all supposedly "quality" dogs, die before the age of eight of cancer, or heart disease. Only two of these dogs were closely related as far as I'm aware. All but one of them had to be put down to end their misery.
I think Boxer breeders need to take a step back and think about how many of these dogs have early deaths and rethink their breeding programs.

Ahhh.....Boxers.....also known in the veterinary world as "tumor factories".....

 

[Punkygirl0101]

I wasn't trying to say dachshunds DON'T get back problems, I was just saying I personally have not had one with a back problem. (Though, Cartman's mother was put to sleep because she broke her back jumping off a table).

I ALSO agree that the world does not need anymore lab or golden breeders!! There are TONS, And TONS of them!! There are a lot of breeds that have WAY too many breeders (And actually, there are a lot of breeds that have a lot of responsible breeders....I think one of those many responsible lab/dobie/German Shepherd/Rottie/etc breeders needs to help my breed out!! Dachshunds are so poorly bred now a days. )

WOW so all the breeds we have are all the breeds we should ever have? Pretty much all the breeds we owners have on chaz came from crossing existing breeds.

Thats the excuse I hear often....Back when all of the breeds we owned were first created, we didn't have a massive overpopulation of dogs in this world to the point of having a dog holocaust!! So THAT is why no more new breeds should be bred. We need to work on the breeds we have NOW,. before we go and create more.

 

[Dekka]

But you are mistaking number of dogs with number of breeds. I don't see any connection. If people want to breed responsibly (meaning they will take back any dog who does not work out, for the life of the dog) what matters the breed.

The reason there are some many extra dogs (particularly in the US) is that John Q Public does not know how to pick or keep a dog. BYB and puppymills are in it for the business. If they couldn't sell their pups, they would quit producing them.

Stop blaming the good breeders for over pop issues. IF they are a good breeder, they never will.

 

[noludoru]

Q.. what is easty westy?

 

[Punkygirl0101]

BUT, even so with good breeders, we STILL need to fix our current problems before creating more breeds. And I personally think responsible breeders who are even THINKING about creating another breed, should know this and WANT to help save these dogs that bad breeders created, rather than go about their own business of only making these dogs better. Yes, i am all for good breeders helping to salvage their breed's standard, but does anyone care about helping to STOP the mills, and backyard breeders, and helping the homeless dogs? thats why we need more breed specific rescues, and rescues in general.

I love dachshunds. Do I want to go breed dachshunds to better the breed, or do I want to go SAVE the already bred dachshunds? I choose option B. Even reputable breeders take homes away from the dogs in shelters (Even if their dogs would NEVER end up in a shelter, a home is being taken away from a shelter dog everytime one of those dogs is bought.)

 

[Dekka]

I do work with my breed rescue.

But why should we give up the pursuit of preserving good dog DNA just cause some idiots want to breed willy nilly.

If everyone just saved the badly bred ones, what would happen to the breed. All it would take would be one generation of people doing that and many many breeds would be in serious trouble.

Why not lay the blame where it lies, and try to fix the problem. Instead of going at those who are not contributing to the problem and are actually part of the solution.

edited to add. You complain there are so many badly bred doxies. Yet you are not supporting the well bred ones. Breeders will only breed what they have homes for. No good homes = no good doxies.

(I am not anti rescue in any way.. but there has to be a balance if you want to preserve breeds)

 

[Punkygirl0101]

I am in no way against the responsible breeding of ANY KNOWN dog breed (Except maybe ones that have a LOT of responsible breeders Like labs, etc). But I do think that every puppy bred by breeder, 2 should be rescued from the shelter system. Of course, I am sure many breeders don't have the resources to do that...it would help a LOT.

And I DO lay the blame where it lies. That is why I help rescue dogs, that is why I volunteer at rescues and rescue dogs myself (And cats for that matter, I am fostering LOTS of kittens as we speak). And I for sure give backyard breeders a piece of my mind.

All I was defending, was the breeding of NEW breeds. We do NOT need new breeds, UNTIL we have fixed the old.

I refuse to PURCHASE an animal. That is just me...that is why I won't buy an animal from a breeder, reputable or not. ITs not that I disagree with them, we NEED responsible dachshund breeders. I have YET to meet one.

 

[mom2dogs]

BUT, even so with good breeders, we STILL need to fix our current problems before creating more breeds. And I personally think responsible breeders who are even THINKING about creating another breed, should know this and WANT to help save these dogs that bad breeders created, rather than go about their own business of only making these dogs better.

Most breeds that are created are from people who want to fill a niche, mostly for personal gain. You would be amazed at some of the dogs in Spain, "mutts" in our eyes yet actual breeds in a farmers who use them day in and day out. It's really interesting, but a whole 'nother discussion.

and I know several responsible breeders who also work in rescue. I think it's great. Most breeders want to help their breed, which also means breeding better dogs.

Yes, i am all for good breeders helping to salvage their breed's standard, but does anyone care about helping to STOP the mills, and backyard breeders, and helping the homeless dogs? thats why we need more breed specific rescues, and rescues in general.

There are a lot of breed specific rescues (go to your national club and I'm sure they have rescue info, including regional clubs, let alone the ones not affiliated). Do we need more? Sure, but there's more dogs than homes and that will not change until people stop buying from BYBs.

I love dachshunds. Do I want to go breed dachshunds to better the breed, or do I want to go SAVE the already bred dachshunds? I choose option B. Even reputable breeders take homes away from the dogs in shelters (Even if their dogs would NEVER end up in a shelter, a home is being taken away from a shelter dog everytime one of those dogs is bought.)

If more people went to responsible breeders than BYBs - I'm sure a noticeable drastic change will occur. I think it's great you choose to save the ones already bred, but no one can judge the ones that choose option A.

 

[mom2dogs]

I am in no way against the responsible breeding of ANY KNOWN dog breed (Except maybe ones that have a LOT of responsible breeders Like labs, etc).

No breed can have too many responsible breeders. Labs are no exception, there are a ton of BYB who breed them. A ton.

I refuse to PURCHASE an animal. That is just me...that is why I won't buy an animal from a breeder, reputable or not. ITs not that I disagree with them, we NEED responsible dachshund breeders. I have YET to meet one.

You have yet to meet a responsible Dachshund breeder? I've met several (partially because I would love a mini wire haired ) - they do exist.

 

[Dekka]

But WHY is the breeding of new breeds an issue? You have not explained that. Most of the pet over pop (not all but most) are mixed breeds. For every pure bred that comes into the local shelter there are 9-10 mixed breeds.

The issue is with the dog buying public. If the public wants goldendoodles then stop the stigmatism and promote 'good' breeders of goldendoodles. Ones that will screen buyers, health test and most important take the pups back. People are going to keep buying 'cute' puppies. And these puppies will end up in rescue. At least if the public could find what they want from a good breeder there is much less chance of the pup needing to be rehomed, and if it did-the breeder would step in.

In a way rescue enables brb. If the people who got the dog would dump them back on the byb instead of rescue. The byb might stop or slow down. I do foster and work with the JRTRO, they do great work. But while adorable, very few of those dogs are anywhere near breed standard. So for people looking for a 'real' JRT it is easier to get one from a breeder. (there are some 'real' JRTs that come through rescue.. but the non 'real' ones often make better pets anyway)

 

[corgi_love]

Q.. what is easty westy?

When staring at a Cardigan's legs from the front point of view, his paws will point outwards rather than straight forward. Easty westy is.. a made up term.

 

[noludoru]

So they toe out.. like a duck?

 

[corgi_love]

So they toe out.. like a duck?

Ummmm, I'm not sure about a duck(OK never really noticed). I would show you Regis, but his are a little extreme.

See how they seem to stick out(the first one's legs are a little long)? These are not head on pictures, but you kind of can get the idea

 

[Psyfalcon]

In some ways, the boarding- grooming thing does have merit. While all dogs, and breeds will respond differently, mental health is as important as physical. You can't expect a Cocker or other people pleasing breeds to love being separated from its family, but there is a line where they're excessively prone to SA or submissive urination and other mental problems. Luckily, there are good Cockers because of good breeders (at least as family pets... as working dogs I have not seen a good breeder). Its unfortunate that there are so many bad breeders, its almost like two breeds based on how they respond to stress. I wouldn't own most Cockers because of how poorly bred the majority are. I couldn't subject myself to that sort of dog even from a rescue.

But thats a bad breeder problem, not a bad breed problem.

Breeds that shouldn't be bred, or might need some real thought in their ongoing breeding are the ones where good breeders are producing problem dogs. Bulldogs, Boxers, Berners, etc. Even the best Berner breeders aren't producing dogs that regularly live past 10 years with life spans, shorter than some much larger breeds. Some of it is paying for past mistakes with breeding unhealthy dogs and some of it is for bending to fads and fashion trends.

I can't support breeding some of these (mainly short snouted breeds, ie Bulldogs, Boxers) until the breeders stop and think about what they're doing. Everyone's saying that its the show breeders that are the responsible breeders for health tests, contracts and return policies, but are they really doing the right thing for these breeds?

The right thing might be breeding for a real working dog in some breeds, temperament, hips, longevity, or just moderation in some breeds. The bull dog does not need to look like an old bulldog or pit bull, but they should be able to live in comfort, something that many can not do.

 

[Ratboy]

Ahhh.....Boxers.....also known in the veterinary world as "tumor factories".....

Sadly, that seems to fit. The one Boxer I know of that did live to almost 14 was a freak, he died of kidney failure, at home. He just went to sleep. My one friend swears "No more **** dogs, I can't take it again!", but he insists on getting Boxers, again, and again. The last two went slowly, but the one before that got a clot in his gut and his small intestine died. When they opened him up in emergency surgery, he had a big tumor on his liver, so he was doomed anyway. I think my friend actually resents my dog's good health, and my last dog living to 14.5. He could have had my dogs, his former girlfriend had 13 pups to find homes for, but he passed them up for Boxer pups, and ended up a mess less than 7 years later when both of them died a short time apart. He lost his first one at 5 due to a heart defect. I think it's time for a mutt!

I do know I've been lucky, I've never had a dog that died before about 12 years, but I think it's because most of them were mutts that were 3 or more breeds in the mix.

 

[minpinluvrs]

The issue is with the dog buying public. If the public wants goldendoodles then stop the stigmatism and promote 'good' breeders of goldendoodles. Ones that will screen buyers, health test and most important take the pups back. People are going to keep buying 'cute' puppies. And these puppies will end up in rescue. At least if the public could find what they want from a good breeder there is much less chance of the pup needing to be rehomed, and if it did-the breeder would step in.

I agree wholeheartedly. All of my dogs are purebred, but I have friends who love the little hybrids. Why shouldn't they be held just as accountable as I am when I have a Min Pin litter?

I've had people approach me about using my Min Pin stud with a chihuahua, and I told them that I'd be willing to do it if they had at least 5 puppies sold before the breeding,(presumably the biggest litter of a Min Pin and Chihuahua,) and if they agreed to take any puppy back for a full refund if it didn't work out in it's new home for any reason, or had any health problems.

They looked at me like I was crazy, and one person actually said that once the puppy is 7 wks and ready to go, it's the new owner's problem, not theirs.

Needless to say, I've never allowed my Min Pin stud to make a "designer" puppy, but I don't hold anything against "designer" dogs, as long as they care about the dog, or puppy, and not their own wallet. Until I was 18, all I ever had were mutts, they were awesome dogs. They were no better or no worse than my papered, pedigreed, show Min Pins, they loved me, I loved them, and that's what counts.

At this point, I've chosen that I love the Min Pins for their exact personality traits, I've been careful to buy the dogs that exactly fit my bill. I also have the Rottie that is perfect as far as my idea of a Rottie. If I wanted a mutt, I know exactly where the shelters are in my part of the state, and unlike many, I may have a 2 hour drive to a shelter. I donate to the shelters, I love the dogs in the shelters, I volunteer when I can, I donate whenever possible.

I know I could get rich quick making a bunch of Min Pin/Poodle...Min Pin/Chihuahua, Min Pin/Anything pups. One day, when I want to retire, maybe I'll do that, but it won't happen until I go to the shelter and don't find a single mutt with no Min Pin, or terrier, or dachsund in it. I don't consider myself stuck up in any way because I love my two pure bred breeds, and I'll never consider anyone lower than myself for having a dog of 87 varieties. It's personal choice. I WILL, however, laugh as someone who pays $1500 for a labradoodle, or chih-pin, or shnoodle, that they could have rescued from the local pound for the cost of spaying or neutering. They would have gotten the added benefit of a dog who felt unwanted and was more than willing to devote him or herself to their new owners, which is what having a dog is all about anyway.

 

[ihartgonzo]

Yes they are healthy. If they were uncomfortable there surely is no sign of it at all. And it is in the standard for Cardigans feet to be positioned as such.

And I'm confused. You cringe at long haired breeds? Shouldn't you cringe at long haired dogs that aren't cared for, rather than the hair itself? Or is it now the dogs fault it isn't groomed at home?

I totally agree.

Fozzie is a little easty-westy. Not excessively, but his his feet are a little elfish. ; D

Of course, he's a Cardi mix, but his structure is pretty similar. It IS accepted in the standard, and as long as it's not excessive, doesn't effect the dog IMO. Corgis are also bred to be incredibly nimble dogs, able to dodge flying hooves in a split second. By all means, their legs shouldn't be stuck together beneath them. But, that's why I'm a firm believer in working breeds being proven able to actually WORK before being bred.

Fozzie is moderately fast, but he is able to outrun almost any dog with his turning alone. I swear. He can turn on a GRAIN OF SAND! haha. He takes full advantage of that when playing keep-away with a slipper.