Dog Breeds That Shouldn't Be Bred?

[Juicy]

Do you think certain breeds, because of certain health problems, ect shouldn't be bred?

I was talking to a lady about my doxie and how I'm concerned about future back problems, common in the breed. And she says that some breeds shouldn't be bred. Like examples the way the spine is on a doxie, they shouldn't be bred with just a malformality [sp?]. I do understand her reason, but not all doxies have a back problem if the owner is real careful and got the dog from a good breeder, that sort of thing. But I do understand in most breed cases they were bred for a ''look'', a look that might be harming them, like the hairless breeds.

What are your opinions?

 

[Backward_Cinderella]

Cocker-poos (sp?), labradoodles, etc. They're not really breeds, just wanna be's that will never really have a standard. People who breed them irritate me, and I have three (cocker-poos) running around my house that I'm boarding right now. -_-

 

[dogsarebetter]

english bull dogs is the only one that is coming to mind right now. I know a few lines of chows that have severly short noses and can barley breath too! Some of the shihtzus with really short noses shouldnt be bred. And pugs...

but the only ones that i see that are always bad are the english bull dogs

 

[Romy]

I get the shivers every time I see an old english bulldog. It's one breed I could never work with as a breeder, because I'd feel like no matter what I'd be bringing unhealthy puppies into the world.

Though, to say they as a breed shouldn't be bred is pretty extreme to me, even with the problems that exist. Back in the 1800s, there was no such thing as c-sections, and they used them for bull baiting so we know they had to be pretty athletic and physically sound. Personally, I would love to see a group of dedicated breeders bring back the OEBD from the extremes it's been taken to in the show ring and more towards what it used to be.

vs.

lol, okay, that second pic is pretty bad.....probably a lot worse than many of them out there.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that, in general, breeders that work with breeds tending towards extreme body types should be extremely vigilant about pushing the conformation to such as extreme that it ruins the animal's health. Most brachycephalic breeds have individuals who are really poorly put together in that respect but judges seem to favor them in the ring, and so that is what many strive to produce.

American Hock Trotters *coughshowgermanshepherdscough* are another example of type being taken to an unhealthy extreme, and I don't think I could in good conscience purposefully reproduce an animal like that.

 

[Toller_08]

Aside from designer breeds, I don't feel there is necessarily a breed that shouldn't be bred at all. I do, however, feel that a lot of breeds should be improved upon and changed a bit for health reasons (like most of the Brachycephalic breeds, for example).

 

[HoundedByHounds]

Nope. It's not for me to judge someone else's breed's right to exist. Do that and you walk down the slipperyest of slopes.

BTW I am using breed in it's proper context.

 

[sheltervt]

I get the shivers every time I see an old english bulldog. It's one breed I could never work with as a breeder, because I'd feel like no matter what I'd be bringing unhealthy puppies into the world.

Though, to say they as a breed shouldn't be bred is pretty extreme to me, even with the problems that exist. Back in the 1800s, there was no such thing as c-sections, and they used them for bull baiting so we know they had to be pretty athletic and physically sound. Personally, I would love to see a group of dedicated breeders bring back the OEBD from the extremes it's been taken to in the show ring and more towards what it used to be.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that, in general, breeders that work with breeds tending towards extreme body types should be extremely vigilant about pushing the conformation to such as extreme that it ruins the animal's health. Most brachycephalic breeds have individuals who are really poorly put together in that respect but judges seem to favor them in the ring, and so that is what many strive to produce.

American Hock Trotters *coughshowgermanshepherdscough* are another example of type being taken to an unhealthy extreme, and I don't think I could in good conscience purposefully reproduce an animal like that.

Careful in your phrasing... you've mixed the names of two different breeds to describe English Bulldogs. Olde English Bulldogges (Leavitt's Bulldogs) ARE a modern recreation (theoretically) of what Bulldogs were.

 

[Backward_Cinderella]

I love the picture of the OLD Bull dog. HOw CUTE!! I'd take one of those!!

 

[Paige]

I'll take me one of them older styled Bull Dogs, thanks! What a character. I can totally picture the heavy British accent and him smoking a pipe. Teeeheeeheh.

 

[oc_spirit]

I get the shivers every time I see an old english bulldog. It's one breed I could never work with as a breeder, because I'd feel like no matter what I'd be bringing unhealthy puppies into the world.

Though, to say they as a breed shouldn't be bred is pretty extreme to me, even with the problems that exist. Back in the 1800s, there was no such thing as c-sections, and they used them for bull baiting so we know they had to be pretty athletic and physically sound. Personally, I would love to see a group of dedicated breeders bring back the OEBD from the extremes it's been taken to in the show ring and more towards what it used to be.

vs.

lol, okay, that second pic is pretty bad.....probably a lot worse than many of them out there.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that, in general, breeders that work with breeds tending towards extreme body types should be extremely vigilant about pushing the conformation to such as extreme that it ruins the animal's health. Most brachycephalic breeds have individuals who are really poorly put together in that respect but judges seem to favor them in the ring, and so that is what many strive to produce.

American Hock Trotters *coughshowgermanshepherdscough* are another example of type being taken to an unhealthy extreme, and I don't think I could in good conscience purposefully reproduce an animal like that.

You mean like this?

Renaissance Bulldog

http://gargoylebulldogs.com/GARGOY~1/Omen/IMAG0014.JPG

or

Able Bulldog

www.hideawaybulldogs.com



*Disclaimer* I am not endorsing any of these breeders, just showing that there are breeders out there trying to bring functional Bulldogs back by breeding their own personal variations suited to what they interpret from the old standard that the Bulldog must be able to do to be a Bulldog.

 

[Backward_Cinderella]

WOW Oc, I've NEVER seen a bull dog jump like that!! Its crazy how much different breeding effects things. O.O

 

[Bahamutt99]

Hmm... I will admit that there are certain breeds that I think have been taken to extremes, but I'd never say they shouldn't be bred, because someone somewhere loves them. I personally get a twinge at any breed which is too far "abnormal," or which needs groomer's intervention just to live comfortably. I watched a groomer pulling the hair out of a dog's ear canal one time, and I couldn't help but feel bad for the breed in general. (I think it was a Bichon.)

 

[Backward_Cinderella]

Hmm... I will admit that there are certain breeds that I think have been taken to extremes, but I'd never say they shouldn't be bred, because someone somewhere loves them. I personally get a twinge at any breed which is too far "abnormal," or which needs groomer's intervention just to live comfortably. I watched a groomer pulling the hair out of a dog's ear canal one time, and I couldn't help but feel bad for the breed in general. (I think it was a Bichon.)

I hate plucking bichon ears... and poodle ears. It always seems like they're half way to china. I don't know if that's a breed thing though, or just a hair type.
Cockers are bad for long ear hair too.

 

[Juicy]

Do shih tzus have that too?

 

[Backward_Cinderella]

Some do, I haven't noticed it with EVERY one I've plucked, though.

 

[Juicy]

Some do, I haven't noticed it with EVERY one I've plucked, though.

I saw my sister's dogs get groomed and she had done that ear plucking thing. Not sure if they do it with Pepe, I never see it.

 

[Romy]

Careful in your phrasing... you've mixed the names of two different breeds to describe English Bulldogs. Olde English Bulldogges (Leavitt's Bulldogs) ARE a modern recreation (theoretically) of what Bulldogs were.

Thanks, that's good to know. I've kind of steered clear of those guys and so didn't know that there are some awesome people fixing them already.

:yikes::

That is seriously one of the coolest things I have seen! Some day I would like a bully, and may have to really consider one of these "old school" bull dogs, the other two I liked were catahoula bullies and alapahas.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

also bear in mind this form of thinking is the way some BSL supporters would LIKE things to go. PB's and breeds LIKE them...should not be bred because..."they are unstable", Akitas and Tosa should no longer be bred because "they have a history of hurting other dogs in fights".

 

[drmom777]

The idea that dachshunds shouldn't be bred because they are unhealthy is just silly. Half my family owns dachshunds and theirs seem to live between 15 and 18 years in excellent health. My cousin Jane just lost her Chelsea last year at 18, leaving her with the youngster, Oscar, who is fourteen now. He is doing great.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

One of my hounds lived with a dachs who recently passed on at age 15. He was blind from birth but obviously was very well taken care of