Ya, I know, I have come to really like this site. Was "bitter" at first, but met some great people. But when I hear the above comment..... Please make me understand. Is this a DOG LOVERS FORUM, where the health, well-being, etc...is the MOST important thing to us, or is it what US HUMANS want them to be.... Let a friggen dog be a dog, don't "alter" him/her to you specifications... If you don't love what you have, let it go to someone it will. Not to some judge(s) ....GIMME a break..... love your best friend, treat him/her kindly, they will give way more back. I could not see myself living my life, altering my dogs for some show...for a stupid, **** ribbon. Good for you if you have......... my dogs live in bliss, unaltered, trained, happy, content, protective...... I don't have to worry about them at all. Feel sorry for some of the dogs out there, JUST FOR SHOW... why don't you shake your a** out there and make a buck, instead of altering your dog. Yea, Yea, I know....way too much work...