docking and cropping

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ok, point taken.

Makes me wonder when they do things like what happened to Buster before we found him though. He has a tail docked 3/4 length. whats with that?
 

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What kind of dog is he? Often they get cropped that long if injured later in life. Did you get him as an adult?
 

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I seriosly think my boxer would have eaten her tail if it wasnt docked and she couldnt get ahold of it :D :D :D she still thinks its 'alive'
 

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Docking & Cropping

"Docking is done with anesthetic so they dont feel a thing. By not docking a working dogs tail is cruel in its self!"


I don't know who told you that but puppy tails are docked with anesthetic. Because they are not. They do feel it and they do cry out in pain. They get over it quickly but yes it is painful for them.
 

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I currently own 2 yorkies which I show so they have to, at least here in the U.S., be docked. My fiance & I owned an apbt who had his ears cropped and I love that look. Yes, in the future, if we own any more breeds that the standard calls for dock/crop, it'll be done.
 

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Well you sip your pink martini and that is prob. what makes you feel fine about cropping and docking.... YOUR DOG WAS NOT BORN THAT WAY! Yes, it's painful and not necessary. As I posted before, please leave your full name and address, phone number, I will have numerous vets give you the "real deal" on cropping and docking. No, I won't have some "wacko" call or write you, you would be able to confirm with each office. The vets that do it, really speak badly about you behind your back. Which, as far as I am concerned, doesn't speak well about the vet. either..... But I can have number animal experts, vets, etc....let you in "on a little secret...." Common, you must be joking or just plain cruel to say what you said....... That is HUMAN VANITY, NOT THE HUMANE WAY>>>>>> PEOPLE STARTED THAT>>WHICH STARTED IN EUROPE, AND THEY ARE STOPPING IT..... FOLLOW THEIR LEAD, SINCE YOU DID IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEY ARE MAKING IT ILLEGAL>>>>>WONDER WHY?DA!
 

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Animalbiz please just state your opinion and don't ask for personal information from members.
 

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Ya, I know, I have come to really like this site. Was "bitter" at first, but met some great people. But when I hear the above comment..... Please make me understand. Is this a DOG LOVERS FORUM, where the health, well-being, etc...is the MOST important thing to us, or is it what US HUMANS want them to be.... Let a friggen dog be a dog, don't "alter" him/her to you specifications... If you don't love what you have, let it go to someone it will. Not to some judge(s) ....GIMME a break..... love your best friend, treat him/her kindly, they will give way more back. I could not see myself living my life, altering my dogs for some show...for a stupid, **** ribbon. Good for you if you have......... my dogs live in bliss, unaltered, trained, happy, content, protective...... I don't have to worry about them at all. Feel sorry for some of the dogs out there, JUST FOR SHOW... why don't you shake your a** out there and make a buck, instead of altering your dog. Yea, Yea, I know....way too much work...
 

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animalbiz said:
Ya, I know, I have come to really like this site. Was "bitter" at first, but met some great people. But when I hear the above comment..... Please make me understand. Is this a DOG LOVERS FORUM, where the health, well-being, etc...is the MOST important thing to us, or is it what US HUMANS want them to be.... Let a friggen dog be a dog, don't "alter" him/her to you specifications... If you don't love what you have, let it go to someone it will. Not to some judge(s) ....GIMME a break..... love your best friend, treat him/her kindly, they will give way more back. I could not see myself living my life, altering my dogs for some show...for a stupid, **** ribbon. Good for you if you have......... my dogs live in bliss, unaltered, trained, happy, content, protective...... I don't have to worry about them at all. Feel sorry for some of the dogs out there, JUST FOR SHOW... why don't you shake your a** out there and make a buck, instead of altering your dog. Yea, Yea, I know....way too much work...
Whoa... Not everyone has the same opinions/beliefs as YOU do. That's life. Yes, I like the cropped/docked look. And please don't start a personal attack just because you don't agree with me. And wtf does 'shaking my a**' to make a buck have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? Huh?
 

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You're right Pink Martini you have every right to express your opinion even if others don't agree.
 

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that's enough animalbiz. Don't direct your arguement at one member. it doesn't need to get personal.
 

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animalbiz said:
Not gonna attack you, why are you so defensive, if YOU HAVE DONE NO WRONG. Your dogs, I can't make you stop.... Just look at the whole picture.

I picture you as having dogs for a few years, having them cropped and fur coats as well. That's your right.... I however, have been working the industry for well over 10 years. Rescue groups, stupid breeders, SPCA's, USDA (regulated our shows) and etc... So, you go girl...be cruel to your dogs, justfiy your means and I hope (not) you sleep well at night, which is not hard to do if you have enough martini's. You don't even want to go with me there, because I can tell you now, I have more animal experience in my pinkie toe then you will EVER have. Write back, debate, sound stupid..... go for it..BOTTOM line, there is NO reason to have your dogs ears clipped because YOU LIKE IT. You sound dumb and inexperienced..... Come to my house..... let me tell YOU how I would LIKE YOU TO LOOK, don't worry, I can pay for it..... Let me ADJUST YOU FOR AWHILE........PROMISE (ha-ha) YOU WILL LOVE YOUR NEW LOOK
What is WRONG with you? I sound DUMB & INEXPERIENCED? WTF? I've posted, what 10 posts on this forum? Sorry but you don't know me from Joe down the street & I really don't appreciate you ASSuming anything. You know what they say about ASSumptions.
 
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animalbiz said:
Not gonna attack you, why are you so defensive, if YOU HAVE DONE NO WRONG. Your dogs, I can't make you stop.... Just look at the whole picture.

I picture you as having dogs for a few years, having them cropped and fur coats as well. That's your right.... I however, have been working the industry for well over 10 years. Rescue groups, stupid breeders, SPCA's, USDA (regulated our shows) and etc... So, you go girl...be cruel to your dogs, justfiy your means and I hope (not) you sleep well at night, which is not hard to do if you have enough martini's. You don't even want to go with me there, because I can tell you now, I have more animal experience in my pinkie toe then you will EVER have. Write back, debate, sound stupid..... go for it..BOTTOM line, there is NO reason to have your dogs ears clipped because YOU LIKE IT. You sound dumb and inexperienced..... Come to my house..... let me tell YOU how I would LIKE YOU TO LOOK, don't worry, I can pay for it..... Let me ADJUST YOU FOR AWHILE........PROMISE (ha-ha) YOU WILL LOVE YOUR NEW LOOK
WOW that sure wasnt an attack ABIZ!!!
 

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Saji... I thought you would be one of the ones to agree with me ( I have read your past posts, and really enjoyed them);;;;;

As for Pinkie, I just love how some one can express their views, and then, when someone disagrees... people get defensive. You spoke your mind in your own way, I spoke mine.... No problems. We DON'T agree..... the world will not fall tomorrow because of that.... you still have your right to do what you do, and I still have my right to speak my mind on this too... right?

Again, you don't have to agree with me at all. I just hate it when someome posts a "thing" and then gets angry when someone disagress with you, just like this post. Instead of spewing crap, debate, or argue your point, let me SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

As for shaking your a**, do it yourself, don't ***** out your pet to do it...unless it's not a pet, just a prop, or trophy to win a ribbon.
 

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animalbiz said:
Saji... I thought you would be one of the ones to agree with me ( I have read your past posts, and really enjoyed them);;;;;

As for Pinkie, I just love how some one can express their views, and then, when someone disagrees... people get defensive. You spoke your mind in your own way, I spoke mine.... No problems. We DON'T agree..... the world will not fall tomorrow because of that.... you still have your right to do what you do, and I still have my right to speak my mind on this too... right?

Again, you don't have to agree with me at all. I just hate it when someome posts a "thing" and then gets angry when someone disagress with you, just like this post. Instead of spewing crap, debate, or argue your point, let me SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

As for shaking your a**, do it yourself, don't ***** out your pet to do it...unless it's not a pet, just a prop, or trophy to win a ribbon.
It doesn't matter whether or not I like docking and cropping. What I don't like is when someone attacks someone for not agreeing. By all means, state your opinion. There is a difference between doing that and directing your anger at a member. This is not a personal thread. There are more members than just PinkMartini who are fine with docking and cropping. Make your statements general please.
 

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Corners please !!! This has been debated before. If you show and breed for showing.. you have to go with the standards...ears and tails cropped. If you just want a loving friend , stay natural if it's your choice. I met a lovely boxer at my vets a couple of weeks ago with natural tail and ears ! I commented on how wonderful he looked.... they thanked me, as I guess most people ask them what breed he is/
 

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Saje... Please re-read your thread.... you say it's basically o.k. for someone to state their opinion, and you also agree to disagree, but you bash me for not agreeing with this person. I am confused.

As much as I liked your past posts, I will still state my own, with or with your permission. Sorry, not to start a fight with you, I don't want to.... I just expressed myself the best way I could. I expressed in my own true feelings, don't think there is a ban on that. You just may express or write differently than me, for that I show no weakness, just my thoughts....
 

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Which thread of mine am I re-reading?

And if you cannot post without attacking other members then please do not post at all.
 

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