oriondw said:
Id like to see your dog with ears kill a few cayotee's and come out without a scratch 
joce said:
Lurchres have a greyhoud set lower tail right? Not something as easilly hurt as some others. I didn't mean you specifically because you apparently don't have docked breeds. I mena someone with docked breeds that works them. your dogs have nothing to do with the discussion becaue they are not a breed that has been docked for a hundred plus years. Even if you did work them and nothing happened to them it wouldn't really count at all towards the discussion. I also cna't say my boys docked or cropped to get away in a fight. He runs through the fields and woods al day. I know if he hadn't been done he would have had to go through the surgery later in life He hurt his hip running into a tree once!
And about a dog breaking its tail. It is very painfull and rarely do they ever heal. they just break and break again. thats why you will see some labs with docked tails. Maybe its because I live out in farming country that I see all this stuff but I know people who have had their dogs in because they broke it in a door and then every time they had a wagging fit it would get injured again. Properly caring for my dog shouldn't mean that I can't let him outside to run
He hurt his hip running into a tree once! And about a dog breaking its tail. It is very painfull and rarely do they ever heal. they just break and break again. thats why you will see some labs with docked tails. Maybe its because I live out in farming country that I see all this stuff but I know people who have had their dogs in because they broke it in a door and then every time they had a wagging fit it would get injured again. Properly caring for my dog shouldn't mean that I can't let him outside to run
Appreciate your response, on the tail thing, it does depend on the cross, Ive also got whirriers ie whippet/terriers little devil dogs basically where the tails are higher, but yes you are correct in the tail with the grey crosses.
Hope his hip is better, on a side note Ive no idea why they call sighthounds that, they never look where their going either, Ive got countless bruises to show for it!
Tail breaking is very painful, greys can and do break them through wagging against well anything really!
Why on earth shouldnt you let you dog out? Mine are out every day, usually running round a field bumping into me! Nothing better IMHO than seeing a bunch of sighthounds in full flight having fun.
On the colour side (not sure who posted) we currently have a lovely black and tan saluki as a foster (currently crawling up myback) some people have asked if he's a dobie! HUH?
Someone above one of my posts quoted someone saying that a responcible owner would be able to keep the tail intact
the problem with letting the new owner pick is that people usually don't pick which dog they want by the time its docked,sometmes even before its cropped. Especially with dobes. they can crop at eight weeks but I don't even think the real attitude shows till around ten. If the litter was being bred for people that just wanted pets maybe that would work but then I would question the reason for the litter anyway,I'd want to see at least one show or working do outta the group
His hips good but he still throws it into a tree occasionally.We just got back form a walk were he threw himself down the hill to get to the river He couldn't wait his turn!
the problem with letting the new owner pick is that people usually don't pick which dog they want by the time its docked,sometmes even before its cropped. Especially with dobes. they can crop at eight weeks but I don't even think the real attitude shows till around ten. If the litter was being bred for people that just wanted pets maybe that would work but then I would question the reason for the litter anyway,I'd want to see at least one show or working do outta the group
His hips good but he still throws it into a tree occasionally.We just got back form a walk were he threw himself down the hill to get to the river
He couldn't wait his turn!
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I agree with orion and joce, getting a dogs ears cropped and tails docked is in the bennefit to the dog. Boxers, dobes, rotties, and other breeds love to wag their tails. There have been many dogs who have broken their tail by just wagging it and hitting things when they could have avoided it by getting docked. After a dog breaks their tail, they get it amputated. So a dog does not have to work to be in danger of breaking it. Docking and cropping is not done just for cosmetic reasons and those who think so are uneducated about this subject.
I agree with orion and joce, getting a dogs ears cropped and tails docked is in the bennefit to the dog. Boxers, dobes, rotties, and other breeds love to wag their tails. There have been many dogs who have broken their tail by just wagging it and hitting things when they could have avoided it by getting docked. After a dog breaks their tail, they get it amputated. So a dog does not have to work to be in danger of breaking it. Docking and cropping is not done just for cosmetic reasons and those who think so are uneducated about this subject.
I actually have no objection to docking or cropping, as long as it is done in a humane fashion. Tusker's a boxer/English Bulldog, and we're just leaving his ears natural. His tail is docked, though, and was done before we got him. The breeder does it to discourage people from buying the dogs as fighting dogs. He's actually had potential buyers get mad and yell at him for having them docked! The way I understand it, dogs used for fighting generally have their natural tail, as it helps with balance. So for Tusker, it was less cosmetic and more a safeguard to keep people from trying to buy him for fighting.
As a matter of fact, a lot of rep. vets will NOT crop ears. Tails...well with certain breeds, there is a debate... I am no expert, so I won't go there. I have a dog, a rescue boxer, which is a lovable natured dog, but I trained him to be protective of my house and car. His ears are NOT cut, but that don't matter because his bite is just the same, ears cut or not. I grew up with a doberman.... sadely, my parents didn't know better, and had it done. No difference at all. I also had a pit bull, no cropped ears or tail....that dog would have taken down anything..... so what is your scientific proof, just because you cut a dog, it makes them "more protective?"
By the way, how may fur coats do you own? This is one of the reasons I got so pissed when I first posted.... If you want to mutiliate yourself, that's your choice, but to do such surgery on a dog, for any reason but to make them look "fierce" or protective and mean, that's so sick.
This is a dog forum and you are applauding the cutting of ears and tails.....?? give me a break.
Edit again... you wrote here 9/13 about cropping and then again on another post about aggression on 9/23 (I think, or somewhere in that time frame). Balance has nothing to do with tail docking and dogs, it's a pack/communication thing.
If your dog bit your sister on the face, you have a big problem and may not be as knowledgable as you think. Don't believe everything you read on the internet (this includes me) and half of what you see. If your dog bit your sister, you need to get your pup into "class" with a trainer who deal with aggression and work with him or her and your dog. But then again, you liked the idea of having ears and tail cropped. I bet if you took something off of my body for NO reason, I would want to bite someone too. You may think of me as rude, but again, don't listen to my advice, one I really didn't give it and I would charge way too much, but please do talk to a trainer. If not for you or your sisters face, for your precious pup....
By the way, how may fur coats do you own? This is one of the reasons I got so pissed when I first posted.... If you want to mutiliate yourself, that's your choice, but to do such surgery on a dog, for any reason but to make them look "fierce" or protective and mean, that's so sick.
This is a dog forum and you are applauding the cutting of ears and tails.....?? give me a break.
Edit again... you wrote here 9/13 about cropping and then again on another post about aggression on 9/23 (I think, or somewhere in that time frame). Balance has nothing to do with tail docking and dogs, it's a pack/communication thing.
If your dog bit your sister on the face, you have a big problem and may not be as knowledgable as you think. Don't believe everything you read on the internet (this includes me) and half of what you see. If your dog bit your sister, you need to get your pup into "class" with a trainer who deal with aggression and work with him or her and your dog. But then again, you liked the idea of having ears and tail cropped. I bet if you took something off of my body for NO reason, I would want to bite someone too. You may think of me as rude, but again, don't listen to my advice, one I really didn't give it and I would charge way too much, but please do talk to a trainer. If not for you or your sisters face, for your precious pup....
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In fact there are alot of people on this very forum who agrees with docking and cropping. I have done alot of research on this issue, so I have come to the conclusion that it is not cruel. That is my opinion and you will have yours. You have no right to attack me just because you dont like my opinion!
In fact there are alot of people on this very forum who agrees with docking and cropping. I have done alot of research on this issue, so I have come to the conclusion that it is not cruel. That is my opinion and you will have yours. You have no right to attack me just because you dont like my opinion!
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I don't think it's fair. I don't think cropping makes the dog any more beautiful and I know some breeds look better with a docked tail. But I would never do that. You have to remember that tail and ears are very useful for a dogs body language. I actually feel it destroys some of the natural beauty of ure canine.
mrose, of course you are right! Don't you think dogs were made a certain way for a reason, it's us human that can screw things up. Dogs use their tails, as pack animals to communicate. I have heard debate on certain breeds with their tails, but the ears....no way! That is for humans...... I love your picutures......