Do you consider your dog "breed worthy", hypothetically?

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Do you consider your dog "breed worthy", hypothetically?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Almost

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  4. This is a dog forum?

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  1. staffanatic

    staffanatic New Member

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    Only a tentative yes on the new kid.

    Pixie is from a backyard breeder so her structure is a nightmare. However, she's always had a great work ethic and was a breeze to train. She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she has a lot of heart and always tried her best.

    Emma is from titled parents and I'm sure many people would have bred her. She's fine with other dogs, is trainable (trial-able is a different story!), very athletic, amazing prey drive (which often interferes with training) and so-so structure. But she's fearful of random inanimate objects and she has higher anxiety than i'd like in a staf. Her granddam and her sire lived into their teens.

    If someone would have approached me with a nice bitch i would have bred my BC. He's a rockstar in training and quite nice structure wise. He's titled on both ends and cleared a few health tests. Breeding a male seems difficult though, especially if you have goals with a litter. The sport people saw him as too barbie and the conformation people thought he wasn't typey enough. *shrug*

    Ash is a nightmare of behavior issues, despite his fairly nice structure.

    Nova is the golden child. I've waited near a decade for good bloodlines and she was worth it. Awesome temperament, stable, trainable, useful drives, fearless with an off switch. Nice moderate structure that i'm hoping improves with age. However, she has some minor faults that i think will hold her back in AKC (are those HOUND ears?). We are going to try UKC and possibly ADBA and see what she does. If her health tests are all clear she might be knocked up by her 5th birthday.
     
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    Michiyo-Fir New Member

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    Nia? No.


    Although she's fairly nice conformationally, she has one fault where she is pretty east/west in the front. Other than that her conformation is good.

    That being said, she is not the most outgoing dog, is dog reactive and not as outgoing as I think the breed should be.

    The pluses for her is that she's incredibly drivey and very very in tune with the handler and very eager to please and pick up on new things.
     
  3. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    I want a little Ash. :(
     
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    No.

    But if I could add a new hypothetical stipulation that dogs were more like horses and I could breed Boo and just get one puppy to keep for myself, I'd do it.

    She's not a perfect dog by any means, but she's a great dog for me.
     
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    I'll have to go with a big fat no, here.

    Tilly was used as a breeder dog before the breeder retired her at 6 years old, and then ended up in a rescue. I hope her puppies had a better beginning then she did.
     
  6. staffanatic

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    You can HAVE little Ash. He's a bag of nerves!! And i can't seem to find his focus anywhere... (looks under couch cushions)
     
  7. Flyinsbt

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    How old is he? Pirate is just getting his focus now, at 3 years. Well, he had amazing focus as a 7 week old puppy, but that was apparently just to trick me into picking him, because it's been AWOL for almost 3 years.
     
  8. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Awe Ash <3 we should get together again and see if we can bring out some of that cattle dog. :p
     
  9. ThoseWordsAtBest

    ThoseWordsAtBest Wu-Tang Steph

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    Sometimes I consider breeding Sham to create the start of the apocalypse. I think I would breed him to a Malinois.
     
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    Zhucca Lab Love

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    Nope.

    Duke has a weak immune system - he gets everything. He had a weird IBS type thing when he was younger, before I had him. He had demodex mange, he had kennel cough, and now we're dealing with some really, REALLY, bad allergies. He's been on steroids on and off since July. I'm also worried about future neurological issues because he had a weird moment where his pupils were drastically different. One was pin sized, one was a plate. Sometimes I still notice a pupil difference if he's really stressed or excited.

    His structure is very narrow, too thin for a lab. Labs are supposed to be thicker dogs, with moderate bone. I blame him getting neutered at 4.5 months.
     
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    sassafras mushinois

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    Oh christ.
     
  12. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    We don't have to tell Denis but I volunteer Sloan. ;)
     
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    ThoseWordsAtBest Wu-Tang Steph

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    I wonder what else we could throw in there to create a true Hell Hound.. Maybe some ACD for good measure? Meet me in my lair for experiments.
     
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    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    :rofl: don't worry too much, Sloan is the GD antichrist, she masks it to lull people into a false sense of security. She creeps me out somedays.
     
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    ThoseWordsAtBest Wu-Tang Steph

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    So we could truly create Satan in dog form if we were to cross the two. Some days I just look at Sham doing.. the things Sham does and I can't even think. He can't actually be a real dog.
     
  16. oakash

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    I would breed Suzie if there was a line of people waiting for the most awesome laid back, sometimes playful, snuggly, people attached, smart puppies. She's the perfect dog for any household. Unless you're looking for a sports dog or something. But she'd still fit in to any house. She's the best.

    And Jack has gotten me hooked on pointers. I think they are now one of my favorite breeds. They suit me so well. I don't know anything about structure but he seems sound and square and everything, and he can run for just about forever. So yes, I would breed him. I can't imagine even an even puppier version of Jack. Oh gosh...
     
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    Gambit offers to add in some Coyote genes to the hell hound. He brings the ability to open round doorknobs, see in the dark, and perform a rousing booty dance gaurenteed to embarass you in front of your coworkers
     
  18. AmandaNola

    AmandaNola Wanna Pet My Wiener?

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    Yes and no. She's spayed, so I obviously won't be acting on it either way. She has her faults, and also her strengths. If I were to breed her for show, she wouldn't be a good candidate at all (too leggy, wrong head, wrong gait, wrong tail set, ect). For hunting, probably not as she has a fairly low drive given her background. But for performance, possibly.
    Her strengths:
    • Incredibly intelligent
    • Structurally sound
    • Leggy!
    • Great work ethic
    • Drive to be with you
    • Aloof but not shy
    • Great bite
    • Tight lipped
    • Proportionate for her body
    • Skin has give, but isn't exsessivly loose
    • Great ear-set
    • Strong pigmentation
    • Well set eyes
    • Sleek, well muscled body
      • Easy flowing, smooth gait
    • Deep chest, but not so deep it drags
      • Excels in obedience and is a natural at agility

    Her weaknesses:
    • Slightly arched back (this is her biggest issue by far)
    • I personally would like to see her front legs be a bit straigher, even though they're much nicer than the average Doxie
     
  19. mrose_s

    mrose_s BusterLove

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    Both of mine: NOPE

    Buster:
    I do believe most of his behavioural issues are linked to lack of early socialisation and complete lack of understands in how to deal with them for a long time. He's a very anxious dog.
    He also has HD
    And his prey drive is through the roof but it isn't like "YAY TUG!" prey drive, it's like "Hunt, chase, kill" prey drive.
    I would love to start him from a puppy again, he could have smashed just about any sport I threw at him I think.

    But no, not a dog that needs to be bred.

    Quinn:
    Just no. She's pretty, she's sweet. But where I think buster has a good genetic foundation layered with crappy socialisation/training/life experience. Quinn has had better socialisation and a mountain of training, it is all layered on a crappy foundation.
    She was the shyest pup int he litter, scared of everything as a pup. Generally just nervous.
    She has grown into a nice dog but she's always going to be quirky as hell and a bit of a nervebag.
    She has decent drive but she isn't great at focussing it. She struggles a lot when there is a lot of stimulation around.
    She moves before she thinks and if you don't give her very clear direction her head just runs.
    She does have herding instinct but a lack of general confidence paired with high prey drive/reactivity means she isn't really a natural.

    I have put a mountain of work into her to help build her into a dog that looks good from the outside, but imo, thats a great example of why she shouldn't be bred. I still see all the holes in her temperament.

    I love her to death but she is definetly not a dog there needs to be more of.
     
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    Well, yes I do consider Miz Naughty breeding worthy and I did breed her lol

    She's not perfect structurally and I did get some flak about breeding what was probably a pet quality bitch, but I did have very strong reasons for doing what I did and the results have spoken for themselves because I got what I was looking for.

    Miz Naughty has one of the best temperaments I've come across in a Cardigan, hands down. She has a TON of working drive, very biddable, very intelligent, and she comes from generations of dogs who are very long lived and healthy.

    One of her great grandparents lived to be 17, which is pretty darn old for any dog. Her grandparents are still alive at 15 and very active.

    Structurally, she has a really nice head piece, nice length of neck, nice depth of body and she's solid as a rock. Plus, she has a really nice shoulder and a long upper arm which is pretty hard to get in our breed.

    Is she perfect? Oh no lol She has very little wrap no turn out and her rear angle is not even what I'd call moderate. She's high on leg, she's butt high, she doesn't have as much bone as I'd like and she has a scorpion tail. Not only that, she's a bit cowhocked.

    But, what did she produce with the right dog?

    Both of her puppies have:

    really nice length of body
    lovely round bone
    lovely tight feet
    beautiful head pieces
    HUGE ears
    GREAT temperanents
    properly angled rears
    correct fronts
    medium to low station
    good tail sets and carriages
    NOT cowhocked
    Really nice movement all three ways

    And I knew she probably would, because that's what she comes from. So, while everyone else was surprised that I got such nice puppies from her, I was like, "Yup."

    So, there you have it. lol

    One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from someone who produces some *really* typey and amazing dogs. He told me, "Don't fault judge. Sometimes, dogs with really strong attributes have faults."
     

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