Do you consider your dog "breed worthy", hypothetically?

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Do you consider your dog "breed worthy", hypothetically?

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  1. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    I thought it was an interesting discussion to be had. It's very clear each breed or mix has a general goal and then within it there are types and then personal ideals. Does your dog, whether you breed or not, fit those ideals?

    In a hypothetical world where you can breed altered dogs and or do not have to care for finding puppies homes, etc.

    The question is why or why not do you feel your dog is worthy of breeding?

    I'm opening this up to every breed, altered or not, and mix.

    And... Go! :)
     
  2. Red Chrome

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    I feel my dog is breed worthy because he....

    A. Is registered with a reputable registry not some fly by night paper registry
    B. Comes from health tested parents
    C. Comes from a pedigree of health tested dogs with amazing lines where 98% of his ancestors are titled at high level Schutzhund
    D. Comes from a sire who is an amazing producer and is titled
    E. Comes from a dam who had a ton of potential and was a wonderful dog.
    F. Comes from a good breeder who consistently produces working caliber dogs not just sport level dogs.
    G. Has been evaluated by numerous outside people and received good comments and remarks from them
    H. Has an amazing temperament
    I. Has nice conformation with a couple minor faults that are not bad faults persay, just faults
    J. Has wonderful drive and working ability
    K. Has been fully health tested and passed everything with good marks.
    L. Is working towards higher level titles in one sport and novice titles in others.
    M. Has stable nerves and a clear head.
    N. Is a versatile dog as a GSD in my opinion should be.
    O. Is just a very nice example of what a working bred GSD should be IMHO.

    LoLa...well.....the world doesn't need any more Grogres running around. She has health issues due to poor conformation and doesn't come from health tested or titled stock. Her bloodlines farther back are ok but the ones close are crap. So...LoLa was spayed....no need for more LoLas in the world.
     
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    So for mixed dogs would this be a hypothetical breeding mix to mix or just pretending there's a whole breed of Murphys/Mus/Tippers out there?
     
  4. SaraB

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    As much as I love Zuma, and I adore everything about her, I would have to say mostly no on this one. Her conformation is odd, and while she has a ton of drive, she's picky about using it. She's reactive to other dogs in certain situations and randomly gets funky phobias that take a bit to coax her through. For instance, last week I had to fix her fear of the front door at the clinic I work at (the same door she's been going through for the last 1.5 years without a problem), because she accidentally slipped one time going through it. Not even a bad slip, just messed up her footing a little. So it took a couple days to get her ok with it again.

    The Zuma the public sees? Yes, THAT Zuma is worthy of being bred. The Zuma I see/mold to get the public version of Zuma? No, not worthy.

    I'm going to answer for Zinga too, even though she's only 10 months old and I really have no idea of how she's going to turn out in the long run. I adore her temperament. I adore her drive when she's focused. She's outgoing, fearless, fun, moldable and enthusiastic. Right now she's also chaotic. If that chaos is never able to be channeled, then no, she won't fit what I call "breed worthy".
     
  5. Picklepaige

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    Maggie is a very, very good pet for the average family. She's calm in the house and playful outside, doesn't have any bad habits, healthy, has pretty good structure (which would be easier to tell if she wasn't obese) and loves everyone, including all humans, most dogs, and cats. She did go through a stage where she was leash reactive, but that was due to an incident, it wasn't anything genetic.

    But, I still don't think I would breed her, because I have no idea what her genetics are like, or even what mix she is, and you can find millions of dogs just like her sitting around in shelters and rescues.

    Unless this magical world didn't have an overwhelming amount of dogs in the rescue system, but I doubt I would, just because of the whole "don't know her background" thing.
     
  6. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Either way, there are some killer mixes out there that probably are breed worthy and I would respect a breeding, in theory.

    It's more about the discussion, such as Arnold is not because xyz (I'll actually fill that in when on lunch) but Shamoo is because of xyz, however I'm not pulling up the UKC show standard as my pure reasoning, maybe a bit more more so it has to do with health and temperament with those two.

    In an hypothetical world I would not breed Arnold but I would breed Shamoo. (To be filled in)
     
  7. Shai

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    Short Version:

    Kim -- General farmhand/all-arounder mix -- Yes. As in, she is fit-for-purpose and is well-suited to her jobs. That said I wouldn't breed her. I'd clone her though if I could ;)
    Webster -- No. He's a great guy and I adore him but he's a lot like Sara's description of Zuma, though the quirks are different.
    Mira -- Flat-Coated Retriever and all that entails -- Yes.
    Cookie -- So far yes. Mentally she shows a lot of promise, physically it's too soon to tell.

    I'm not sure how to expand on that without going all novel-y and making my thumbs fall off.
     
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    Yes, both the dogs I currently own, I consider breed worthy. Obviously I consider Tess breed worthy, because I did. ;) And I regret not breeding her again. Though I had what seemed like good reasons to spay her when I did.

    I consider her breed worthy because she's a healthy dog of excellent type and sound structure & solid temperament. Lots of working drive. She has oodles of titles, but those are just proof of the qualities she has, which I already knew about, so I planned to breed her from puppyhood. In particular, she has a good front, which is something I don't always see in my breed. (and which is the main reason I originally bred Tully to produce Tess)

    I consider Pirate breed worthy because he's Tess' son, ridiculously handsome (better overall than Tess is, though so far, not as successful in the show ring), brilliantly intelligent, excellent structure (though to be honest, his sister's structure is just a bit better. But her owners didn't want to breed.) And in particular, because he has what I consider possibly the best temperament I could ever ask for.

    Just so I don't sound like I think all my dogs are perfect, ;) , I'll add that my first Stafford was not breed worthy. I adopted him as a rescue, and he was also cryptorchid, so breeding was never on the table. And he was an amazing dog, a wonderful dog to start in dog sports with, and the best possible introduction to the breed for me. But he had a lack of angulation which is typical in his lines, and could be a contributor to his front end injuries. Poor pigmentation, which is not the worst fault, but potentially could become a health concern if bred from without ever trying for improvement. Some other cosmetic defects (ie; wonky ears), not as big a deal, but not something to breed willy nilly. And a tendency to stereotypy behaviors, which I think very likely is a genetic trait in dogs.
     
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    No. Pan is too nervy/defensive and doesn't have a good natural grip. She has great drive and work ethic, but the cons outweigh the pros for sure.
     
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    (Assuming no overpopulation and cleared health certs for the mixes)

    Ziva: yes, she's a super easy dog, but with nice drives, only a few Qs from her ADCH, awesome temperament, nice structure, overall very healthy. Only health issue is spay incontinence, which wouldn't be an issue if she were intact! LOL

    Kestrel: really not sure - he was neutered way early so I think a lot of his structure is due to that (he's uber leggy), but I wouldn't think he was breed worthy if that was his "real" structure if left intact. I like his temperament (very social, good with other dogs, not environmentally sensitive), but he does have some focus issues that we continue to work through. I'd want more titles on him if he were intact and I was considering breeding.

    Aeri: too soon to tell. I really like a lot of her personality/drives, but she hasn't competed enough imo to make a final call breed worthiness-wise. Structurally, she's what I'd want. She's a little more environmentally sensitive than I'd like, but her super fast bounceback generally makes up for it. The variety in her littermate's temperaments would make me pause a bit as well.

    Snipe: Like Aeri, too young and doesn't have enough titles at this time. I do like how she's put together, she's got awesome drive, esp for a random mix, super keen on training, very athletic, environmentally sound, etc. But she does occasionally show some snarkiness with other household dogs that I'm not a huge fan of. She's also a little more handler sensitive than I personally like, but I think many other people would appreciate the balance she has in that area.
     
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    Riley: Hell no. Unless your only requirement is a giant freak Malinois :p
    The cons definitely outweigh the pros in his situation. Which is too bad because he is extremely intelligent and powerful when he can be kept under his threshold.

    Aura: Still going to say no because she is from the same gene pool as Riley and I also don't have traceable lines to draw from (knpv is all I know). However if it were hypothetically based just on her temperament and health alone, and it was guaranteed that the puppies would be just like her in this magical world, then I'd say yes, because she's pretty awesome. :)
     
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    Keira: No. Structurally, she definitely is not the prettiest Doberman in the world. She'd likely get laughed out of a conformation ring. I adore her size and her overall petite-ness, but still, compared to the Dobermans being shown today, Keira has a different look to her. She's also short in the body which affects her movement. Temperament wise, I think she's naturally too frantic and unfocused and I wouldn't want those traits passed on. She learns slowly because she doesn't think properly, and doesn't care at all about making her handler happy. To me, that's not what makes a good working or sport dog at all. It's frustrating, because she has a lot of drive and energy, but her mind is everywhere at once. OTOH, she's super sweet, unassuming and bomb proof in all except one situation. But no, I definitely do not think the world needs Keira puppies. Keira took a lot of work to live with as a nice and non-annoying pet, which is not typical of her breeder's dogs. And her breeder would be mortified if Keira (or a nearly idential sister) was ever bred.

    Ripley: No. He did not grow up to be the dog I thought he would. He's quite soft, can be reactive, is easily over stimulated, and not bold in the way I feel a Doberman should be. He's not fearful either, but there is a certain level of boldness and confidence that I feel a Doberman should have, and he's lacking. He also hardly ever thinks before he acts. Structurally he has some nice qualities, but again, I feel he's lacking in certain areas. He's a nice dog, and the few cons he does have are nothing to write home about, but there is no need for him to be bred.

    Dance: No. Definitely not. She is people shy/reactive and it gets in the way of a lot in life. I would never agree with breeding a dog that is sketchy with people. She's not aggressive, and I doubt she'd bite, but she's not stable with people in the sense that she's insecure and barky/growly initially and takes a considerable amount of time to really warm up. This is despite heavy socialization and good experiences. Even in everyday life, she can be a rather insecure dog and worries and panics slightly over nothing (bags crinkling, expen made a noise, a noise outside, etc.). She has good qualities too that I love about her: She's easy to live with, a lot of fun, quick to learn, has a lot of drive and is game for anything. But her issues with people and her tendency to needlessly worry are more than enough reason for me to not want her bred. Even if she's not as bad as some dogs I've seen, it still hinders life.

    Journey: Who knows. She's just a puppy. Right now I'd say she has a lot of great qualities that could be passed on temperament wise. She's an easy going, take life as it comes puppy. Quick to learn, loves to please, drivey, doesn't worry about stuff generally, and if she does, she recovers quickly. She's happy to meet new people without caring about them too much, is fine with other animals, etc. She's my idea of a perfect puppy and the perfect dog for me to live with, and I'd love for many more people to experience such a nice tempered puppy/dog. Structurally, she's too young to say much. Puppies change a lot.


    But none of my dogs will ever be bred, so they're all moot points haha. And I'm far from an expert as far as breeding goes.
     
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    Atlas- I vote yes just going my his lineage and how he is developing thus far. But at 4 months that can very easily change to a huge no.

    Enoch-Yes, in that he is phenomenal for me I could own 10 of him and be perfectly happy but I couldnt in good conscious unleash more of him on the world I think 90% of dog owners would find him absolutly unbearable :p
     
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    What a loaded question!

    Bodhi.... Well, I'd have more of her. There's lots I love about her!!!

    Fred. No, I wouldn't breed him if you asked me today!! For one, I am still working out how he's going to turn out. He changes almost weekly. He has MASSIVE feet, and I'm wondering if he'll ever grow into them :D I like his build in a lot of areas, but some I'm waiting to see how they'll end up. His personality is just fantastic, but I couldn't see him ever (ever) being a working dog......... Which is important in a gundog, but I suppose not if you never have any intentions of using them for purpose!! A lot of gsp people do like dual purpose dogs. He's probably a bit too submissive and not confident enough for that, but his confidence is growing all the time.

    I just wouldn't feel good about breeding him 'just because.....'. Who knows what wonderful things we might get up to over the next few years though and what kind of dog he will become!! I'm only just learning about the breed, so I'd be a pretty poor judge of deciding what is breeding worthy or not. But I'm meeting a lot of people well versed in them, so learning every day :)
     
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    He's too young to tell really but..

    Temperament wise? Very much so. He is quick to learn, happy, friendly, aloof but happy to meet people, great with other animals, cuddly, smart.

    Pedigree wise? Yes. I adore his parents and his lines.

    Health wise? Yes (pedigree wise), he comes from health tested parents and a very healthy family.

    But structure wise HIMSELF.. he's too young to tell. He has a lovely coat/markings lol but what does that matter really. He is a solid pup well built pup but everything is kind of growing out so who knows.
     
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    This is all hypothetical, assuming everybody passed health tests (and family members going back had been, and passed), I had tons of homes lined up, and found the ideal stud or bitch.

    I would not do it in real life.

    Embyr: Yes. I love this dog so hard. Bursting with drive, makes you think, and a pleasure to work with on a daily basis. I adore her structure, her endurance, her speed, her agility. She's smart as a whip and quick on her feet. After a few teenager quirks, she's has no reactivity or aggression towards anything, exceptionally social, especially with children and the elderly, without losing her focus while working. She has a wonderful sense of humor. There's nothing about this dog I would not like to recreate... I might like her a little bit taller, though. ;)

    Shadow: No. There's NOTHING about this dog I would want to pass on, lol. Horrible structure, no drive to speak of, shy with strangers, overall nothing I want in a dog. She's sweet, she fits well in our household, just... not my kind of dog.

    Copper: Maybe. Copper is quite intelligent, very agile, fast, lots of food drive. She loves learning new things. She has a stellar off switch in the house, but is up for anything you feel like doing. I'd like to see her have more drive overall. She's pleasant to live with, sweet as can be, and extremely funny. Her structure is decent compared to what I've seen in the rest of the breed, but has room for improvement.

    I'll do the fosters in another post.
     
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    sillysally Obey the Toad.

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    Sally--No.
    -she has lots of allergy/skin issues
    -she can be anxious
    -she is timid around strangers

    Jack--No...
    -he has elbow dysplasia
    -he is slab sided and more narrow than I would like
    -he doesn't quite have the drive I would like to see

    Don't get me wrong, my dogs are by far the most awesome dogs in the history of domestic canines, just not breeding material. :)
     
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    CatStina SBT Lover!!

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    Saxon is an awesome dog. He is mostly healthy, has good strong structure, is extremely intelligent, has a great temperament and still I say no. 1. He has pretty severe food allergies/sensitivities. 2. He is not registered. 3. I know nothing about his mother's side. 4. His conformation is not 100% correct for the breed. 5. He can be nervous around yelling (and especially swearing, lol).
     
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    Is there a way to add one more poll option (maybe "some of them") for those with multiple dogs?
     
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    Zander...as much as I fantasize and have fun with the idea, definitely not. Not even in a hypothetical world. He's skittish, shy, has bad hips, bad teeth....and who knows what else. Big fat "no" for me.
     

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