Cruel neighbor hurt Mocha!! I'm SO MAD!!

[stickner]

This is what is wrong with this forum these days. No one can post ANYTHING without the fear of everyone attacking them for it.

Again - I did not attack anyone. I may have had a differeing opinion than the lynch mob - but I attacked no one. The only attacking I saw in this thread was directed towards the neighbor.

I was also told by you that if I don't have anything nice to say - don't say anything at all (and I never said anything that was not nice). Why didn't you give the same advice to other posters that said the OP should "make their neighbors life a living hell", and in the extreme case one said they would "make sure the neighbors knew what it felt like to bleed". Those are clearly not very nice things to say (the latter is incredibly vengeful, dangerous, and criminal). Why were those posters not corrected by you? I don't expect you to answer this question. Because there really isn't a logical way for you to wriggle your way out of it.

 

[DanL]

It is not your opinion we are attacking, it is the way in which you express that opinion. You say you refuse to back down, and that is the problem. The OP has already stated she made a mistake. Has already admitted to that, and has learned from it. What more would you like?

All stickner is doing now is defending himself when people are misconstruing his posts. How about the rest of the people who jumped on stickner admit they made mistakes in interpreting his posts? That they read things into the posts that were not there? That he's not the only one who hasn't offered any constructive or supportive advice to the original poster? The ONLY constructive advice that came out of this entire thread was that the original poster needs to make sure her dog is watched and safe. The statements that stickner quoted that other people made that were emotional and baseless are not constructive either, but because people somehow see them as right and just, by accusing the neighbor and going along with the topic title, those are somehow all right? I disagree.

 

[DanL]

This is what is wrong with this forum these days. No one can post ANYTHING without the fear of everyone attacking them for it.

Thats because so many people have no spine and won't accept the reality of their situation. They won't accept that they may have made a mistake. The woe is me, blame everyone else mentality is what pervades our entire society these days, not just this forum. It's always someone elses fault. Not to beat a dead horse, but if this thread were titled something like "I Screwed Up and My Dog Got Hurt", then there may be some genuinely good replies instead of these "make the neighbor learn what it feels like to bleed" posts.

 

[Bobsk8]

Please answer the question I posted to you. To remind you:

For pete's sak, another poster in this thread said that they would want the neighbors "to see how it feels to have their blood all over!".

That is a pretty frightening comment. How come nobody has pointed out exactly how wrong, dangerous, and emotionally unbalanced that comment was? Please answer this question.

People are saying I am not helping. I have advised to approach crisis situations with controlled emotions. I have advised to not contact the authoritoes without any proof. I have advised to make certain there is adequate fencing and/or supervision. How is that not helping?

I posted a list of comments in this thread that are clearly not helping in my opinion. I have asked another poster to explain to me how those comments are helping the OP. She has yet to answer. Do you care to take a shot at answering how those comments are helping the OP???

Stickner, I have a suggestion. Put a Lid on it!!!! Enough already!!

 

[sparks19]

She made it perfectly clear in this thread that she feels guilty and is doing everything she can to ensure the dog never gets out of the yard again. She admitted she took advantage of the fact they would always come right back. Now she has been forced to rethink that. She admitted it. So now what is the excuse?
Whatever it is please use PM now. This thread should be about Mocha and not anyone else.

If you don't care about how Mocha is doing or don't have anything to add to help Mocha feel better then I really see no need to post in this thread any longer. The point has been made, we get it. Let's not beat a dead horse.

You don't need to feel any sympathy for the OP but please show some sympathy for the poor dog. That is what this thread is about. let's get back to that.

 

[DanL]

I already said that we should be giving the pup sympathy, in post #75 on page 8.

 

[Renee750il]

. . . all threads aren't created equal. Some are simple question & answers, some are debates, and some are emotional sinks. This one was clearly a case of someone looking for sympathy and kindness in a painful situation. I realize the tone might not be to your liking, but you could have just avoided the whole thing by shrugging and going on to something else. There's no reason anyone here has to be 'fair' to the neighbors. The OP hasn't done anything to them other than suspect them of being creepy. She hasn't accused them, called the police, gone running to other neighbors to 'tell' on them, etc. People come here to blow off steam sometimes, and get some sympathetic noises from others, and pull themselves back together. I can understand if you don't particularly like the emotion and upset of this sort of thread - they sometimes bother me too - but I don't understand why you've been so determined to take everyone to task. You've been calling the OP an accusatory drama queen with a cockamamie story and an untrained dog, complained that various other people were wrong to side with the OP, and bitched unmercifully about fencing. It's one thing to argue that maybe people should give the neighbors the benefit of the doubt - attacking a fellow poster over it is another thing.

Thank you Casa, Sparks, Brattina, Mom and others. I think Casa has summed it up well in that first statement. Sometimes you just need to vent and rant and blow off some steam before you can let things go.

One misconception I'd like to clear up, though. Not necessarily in reference to this particular case, but just in general. If you suspect animal cruelty has occurred, making a report to animal control or whoever handles that sort of investigation may very well be the prudent thing to do. You don't have to point fingers or accuse any one party - just make a record that something has happened. There are cases of multiple animal poisonings and various heinous crimes against animals committed over and over again that might have been caught sooner if someone had just brought even one incident to someone's attention.

And how is Mocha doing today? It occured to me that someone might have thought they were doing you and Mocha a favor by clipping those toenails and just gotten too close by accident . . . Stranger things have happened, and that sounds a great deal more likely than any other scenario.

 

[stickner]

She made it perfectly clear in this thread that she feels guilty and is doing everything she can to ensure the dog never gets out of the yard again. She admitted she took advantage of the fact they would always come right back. Now she has been forced to rethink that. She admitted it. So now what is the excuse?
Whatever it is please use PM now. This thread should be about Mocha and not anyone else.

If you don't care about how Mocha is doing or don't have anything to add to help Mocha feel better then I really see no need to post in this thread any longer. The point has been made, we get it. Let's not beat a dead horse.

You don't need to feel any sympathy for the OP but please show some sympathy for the poor dog. That is what this thread is about. let's get back to that.

Like I said - I didn't think you would answer the question. After all - how could you?

 

[stickner]

Stickner, I have a suggestion. Put a Lid on it!!!! Enough already!!

I see nobody will answer the questions I posed. I didn't think so.

 

[oc_spirit]

Renee''s right. If something happens report it even if you have no one to point a finger at. A couple summers ago someone reached through the fence and painted OC''s face orange with a marker. My mum reported it even though we have no idea who did it. The most important thing to do is prevent it from happening again, or something even worse happening. We put mire mesh between the yard fence and the kennel fence so no one can put their hands through or any objects through, and we set up an alarm system.

 

[stickner]

If you don't care about how Mocha is doing...

Another innacurracy. I guess you have missed some of the comments I have made with regards to the well being of Mocha. Here they are:

hope the little pooch is OK!!! - post #27

I feel bad that the dog was hurt. I would never want to see someone's beloved pet injured. - post #56

I am glad your dog is feeling better, and I hope he makes a quick and complete recovery. - post #58

The most important thing here is that the dog is feeling better... - post#59

I am very glad the pooch is recovering. The last thing I want to see happen is someone's pet be injured. - post #62

And those that live in glass houses.... You did not at all comment or inquire on the well being of Mocha until today at 11:16am eastern time (even though you posted in this thread yesterday). Your first post in this thread was to tell me that I "belittled" the OP and that if I can't say something nice don't say anything at all. I never said anything that wasn't nice.

And how did I "belittle" the OP? That is another inaccuracy.

 

[Whisper]

Please take this to PM if there's something specific you want to say to someone. We could keep this thread going forever, so let's just start focusing on Mocha, and see how the OP says she is.

 

[stickner]

Oh, please. Just because he's hot for equal time for both sides, he's reasonable? How reasonable is it to go onto a thread obviously devoted to venting, then **** and moan that it's not Face The Nation?

He's just an immature guy who can't stand the girly-girl emotionalism but instead of just going 'urgh' and nipping off to find a thread more to his liking, he just had to jump in and set everyone straight. Now, that's his right, of course, to join in. But it's hardly reasonable to join in a discussion whose entire tone you loathe, and then complain that nobody understands you.

First - this thread was devoted to accusing the neighbor of malicously torturing the dog.

"Girly-girl" emotionalism??? Please explain to me how telling the OP to make their neighbors lives a living hell and make sure their neighbor knows what it feels like to bleed is "girly-girl" emotion? At best that is very unsound advice that will only lead to more problems.

"He's just an immature guy"... That sure sounds like a personal attack to me.

I joined this thread because I was shocked and disgusted by the lynch mob mentality and how others did not recognize that the root cause for the injury to the dog was the responsibility of the owner.

Dan was right when he said the title of this thread should have been "I Screwed Up and My Dog Got Hurt".

Please show to me where I complained that nobody understands me. Again another inaccuracy. I prefer to deal with facts, logic, and reason. Many in this thread do not choose that same approach.

 

[stickner]

Please take this to PM if there's something specific you want to say to someone. We could keep this thread going forever, so let's just start focusing on Mocha, and see how the OP says she is.

So because you don't agree with my assesment of the situation, I have to take any and all further discussions to PM? Why is that? Do tell.

I was excited when I saw that you posted again in this thread. I thought you might be answering my question from earlier. I'll post it again for you just in case you may have missed it. I am anxiously awaiting your response.

How are the following statements helping the OP??????? Please do not dodge this question. Just answer how the following statements made in this thread are helping the OP???????

Get the police involved ASAP

Poor Mocha will more then likely be lame for along time now and be completely petrified of his nails trimmed again.

That hs caused irreprible damange mentally!!

In the least - those *refrain words* MUST pay for the vet bills!

report it anyway!

If it were my dog, and I found out who the person was, I would turn their life into a living hell........

If it were my dog I'd flip out and march over there!!

Second, report this! Even if something can not be done to them at least instilling in them the fear that YOU know what happened may be enough to stop them

Reporting them is minimal in my opinion. i would make their life a living hell..

That's TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something like that is soooooooooooooo painful!!!! What is the matter with some people?!?!?!

Those people would be seriously hurting if they ever touched one of my dogs. They would need to see how it feels to have their blood all over!

I know how it feels to have a wierd neighbor that you cannot trust.

There are some sick people out there. I would report it to autorities and see what they can find out.

 

[iheartsammy]

can everyone just stop fighing! M&M didn't write this thread so people could come and yell at her and start fighting! I've mest up before and my dog has gotten hurt (hit by a car ) but I knew it was my fault, but telling someone it was all there fault and they should know better is just wrong! You think she doesn't already feel bad without you being a jerk???

 

[stickner]

Renee''s right. If something happens report it even if you have no one to point a finger at. A couple summers ago someone reached through the fence and painted OC''s face orange with a marker. My mum reported it even though we have no idea who did it. The most important thing to do is prevent it from happening again, or something even worse happening. We put mire mesh between the yard fence and the kennel fence so no one can put their hands through or any objects through, and we set up an alarm system.

There is a big difference between a dogs nails being damaged and a dog being painted with a marker. Any number of things could have happened that would have damaged the dogs nails. The most likely being it was an accident and not someone that decided to torture the dog.

The only possible way that your dog had orange marker on it was that someone did it on purpose.

Big difference. Apples and oranges (no pun intended).

 

[stickner]

can everyone just stop fighing! M&M didn't write this thread so people could come and yell at her and start fighting! I've mest up before and my dog has gotten hurt (hit by a car ) but I knew it was my fault, but telling someone it was all there fault and they should know better is just wrong! You think she doesn't already feel bad without you being a jerk???

"Being a jerk"???? That is another personal attack.

When a person is not accepting responsibility for something that they should be, how is pointing that out to them "just wrong"? There were a few others in this thread that also pointed out the root cause of the injury. Why are you not calling them jerks as well? Or do you subscribe to the notion of only personally attacking one poster per thread?

Also - I need to point out that M&M has yet to post that she knew it was her fault that the dog wandered off. M&M has posted several times that she believes the neighbor did torture her dog, but she has yet to post that it was her responsibility to make sure that her dog didn't wander off.

 

[DanL]

can everyone just stop fighing! M&M didn't write this thread so people could come and yell at her and start fighting! I've mest up before and my dog has gotten hurt (hit by a car ) but I knew it was my fault, but telling someone it was all there fault and they should know better is just wrong! You think she doesn't already feel bad without you being a jerk???

At this point no one is saying anything bad about M&M. Some of the posters are using a double standard on what is ok to post and what is not, and then don't follow their own rules- like demanding that if you don't say something nice don't say anything at all, yet their posts do nothing but attack Stickner for making logical statements that can't be argued. IMO the people who keep telling Stickner he's being a jerk are being jerks themselves. He's made some good points that people refuse to address. They have called him out about having sympathy, which he has shown in various posts. He's posted their own quotes that are negative in nature towards the witch hunted neighbor, and they won't address them, only make more negative posts about him.

 

[iheartsammy]

I'm sure she knows it was her responsibility, and yes she did do something wrong, but don't we all make mistakes? I'm just saying you don't have to jump on everyone because they did something wrong...and I'm not singleing you out, I'm talking about everone that is makeing a big deal about this! You think M&M really wanted to make this thread so people could start saying "oh you screwed up" and just plain being rude? I'm pretty sure she aware of that, and you rubbing it in isn't going to help!

I'm done argueing like a second grader now, go ahead and say what you will..there is no sence in it and will prove nothing exept that we are both stubbern and will not give in, so I'm leaving now before we start this whole argument about nothing.

Have fun agruing with yourself!

 

[iheartsammy]

At this point no one is saying anything bad about M&M. Some of the posters are using a double standard on what is ok to post and what is not, and then don't follow their own rules- like demanding that if you don't say something nice don't say anything at all, yet their posts do nothing but attack Stickner for making logical statements that can't be argued. IMO the people who keep telling Stickner he's being a jerk are being jerks themselves. He's made some good points that people refuse to address. They have called him out about having sympathy, which he has shown in various posts. He's posted their own quotes that are negative in nature towards the witch hunted neighbor, and they won't address them, only make more negative posts about him.

true, I do agree with some of the things he is saying, but the way he says them is rude...