Cruel neighbor hurt Mocha!! I'm SO MAD!!

[doberkim]

that's not "normal" I hope he's not hurting

no, hes not hurting. he is a high drive pup and he has VERy short nails - and when we play fetch for 45-60 minutes, he runs, twists, turns, and wears his nails down. there is nothing i can do to make them grow "longer" (nor do i want to), he wears his own nails down and i clip exactly 4 of them EVER, since they are the 4 that do not wear down.

no, it doesnt hurt him. he doesn't care, and in fact would continue to play ball well past when his nails bleed, if i didnt stop him myself.

whats not normal about it?

 

[stickner]

You've been calling the OP an accusatory drama queen with a cockamamie story and an untrained dog, complained that various other people were wrong to side with the OP, and bitched unmercifully about fencing. It's one thing to argue that maybe people should give the neighbors the benefit of the doubt - attacking a fellow poster over it is another thing.

* The OP was accustaory. The title of the thread for pete's sake is "Cruel neighbor hurt Mocha!! I'm SO MAD!!". That is accusatory.

* The OP has been very dramatic about the whole thing. Case in point, the OP stated: "I couldn't even bring myself to look over to the neighbor's house side right now, let alone talking to them. I'd either burst into tears and couldn't speak or start yelling uncontrollably.." That is pretty dramatic in my opinion. It also not the most rational and efficient way to deal with a crisis in my opinion.

* The story is cockamamie in my opinion.

* I never stated the dog was not trained. Please do not put words in my mouth. I did state the following: If your dog was trained well (which I am assuming he must surely be), he would have come when you called him if he was outside. I was making this statement to show that the neighbors must have indeed lured the dog indoors so that they could torture it. Because if it was in the neighbors yard when the OP was calling its name, it would have come running.

* I have greatly emphasized the fencing aspect here. I agree. As it is the most important piece of this puzzle. One that was initially missing. One that thankfully the OP has taken steps to remedy. And I think all would agree if there was adequate fencing to begin with, this thread never would have existed, because the dog never would have been injured.

* In my opinion other posters were wrong to come to the conclusion that the neighbor lured the dog and then decided to clip its nail so short that they bled.

* I didn't know that offering my opinion and reminding some of what they themselves wrote is considered an attack? You will have to explain that one to me. The only attacks I have seen in this thread are the "judge, jury and executioner" attacks against the neighbor - without ANY proof mind you.

How come you have not commented on other posters unfairly attacking the neighbor without ANY proof as to what happened?

I am very glad the pooch is recovering. The last thing I want to see happen is someone's pet be injured. But at the same time I also don't want to see an "accusatory mob mentality" break out and completely miss the main point of the story - that you need to properly fence in your dog and/or provide adequate supervision.

 

[Whisper]

stickner, all threads aren't created equal. Some are simple question & answers, some are debates, and some are emotional sinks. This one was clearly a case of someone looking for sympathy and kindness in a painful situation. I realize the tone might not be to your liking, but you could have just avoided the whole thing by shrugging and going on to something else. There's no reason anyone here has to be 'fair' to the neighbors. The OP hasn't done anything to them other than suspect them of being creepy. She hasn't accused them, called the police, gone running to other neighbors to 'tell' on them, etc. People come here to blow off steam sometimes, and get some sympathetic noises from others, and pull themselves back together. I can understand if you don't particularly like the emotion and upset of this sort of thread - they sometimes bother me too - but I don't understand why you've been so determined to take everyone to task. You've been calling the OP an accusatory drama queen with a cockamamie story and an untrained dog, complained that various other people were wrong to side with the OP, and bitched unmercifully about fencing. It's one thing to argue that maybe people should give the neighbors the benefit of the doubt - attacking a fellow poster over it is another thing.

Agreed. I don't want to start or be pulled into an argument, but I don't know what you feel you have to gain by telling the OP she was being to emotional and lecturing everyone on their composure. You have not helped the situation at all, just told people what SHOULD have happened and it's it's not helping anyone. Why you even decided to post a reply on the subject beats me when you offered no comfort or advice when the OP was upset, whether you "approved" of her feelings and what she said or not.

 

[elegy]

gotta say, i'm with stickner. this whole thread has been ultimately bizarre. i'm shocked how few people have mentioned that the entire scenario could have been totally avoided if the OP kept her dogs in a fenced yard and/or supervised them. no matter what the neighbors did or did not do, the central responsibile person is the OP.

i'm sorry the OP is upset, and i'm sorry her dog is hurt. but a wet dog with some broken toenails is a whole lot better than a lot of scenarios i've seen. dogs who have been killed while in their own securely fenced yards. dogs who have been hit by cars. dogs who have been shot.

a little perspective is a good thing.

 

[Brattina88]

no, hes not hurting. he is a high drive pup and he has VERy short nails - and when we play fetch for 45-60 minutes, he runs, twists, turns, and wears his nails down. there is nothing i can do to make them grow "longer" (nor do i want to), he wears his own nails down and i clip exactly 4 of them EVER, since they are the 4 that do not wear down.

no, it doesnt hurt him. he doesn't care, and in fact would continue to play ball well past when his nails bleed, if i didnt stop him myself.

whats not normal about it?

akk - sorry if I sounded condescending ! When I stay up late and continue to write my posts end up being kind of coarse

I'm glad he's not hurting or anything. I doubted he was to begin with - he sounds like a very intense ball player I somehow doubt that little Mocha wore her nails down that severly in that short of a time. I am not a vet, however, and I do not know everything I'm really glad Mocha's doing better

 

[stickner]

Agreed. I don't want to start or be pulled into an argument, but I don't know what you feel you have to gain by telling the OP she was being to emotional and lecturing everyone on their composure. You have not helped the situation at all, just told people what SHOULD have happened and it's it's not helping anyone.

What we have to gain here is pointing out to people that flying off the handle is not the most effective way to handle a crisis. We can also benefit by people learning that taking a "mob mentality" approach and completely dismissing the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is a VERY BAD IDEA.

What we also have to gain is people thoroughly understanding that the reason the dog was injured in the first place is that there was not proper fencing and/or adequate supervision.

Why you even decided to post a reply on the subject beats me when you offered no comfort or advice when the OP was upset, whether you "approved" of her feelings and what she said or not.

I offered no comfort or advice??? Huh??? In my first post in this thread I stated:

"I read so much on here from people that you need to strictly control your dog's environment. Putting your dog into a situation where it can wander off and hurt itself or be hurt by others is an issue the owner needs to deal with.

I hope the little pooch is OK!!! But reporting the neighbors without ANY proof for something that was most likely an accident is a very unwise plan of action."

I offered the advice that the owner needs to be responsible for its dog. I also said I hope the little pooch is OK. That is offering comfort. I have stated that several times in this thread. I also offered the advice that reporting this without any proof is an unwise plan of action. Many other posters immediately offered the exact opposite advice and said to call the authorities. You just didn't like my approach because I didn't jump on the "mob mentality" bandwagon and come to the ludicrous conclusion that the neighbor lured the dog into an enclosed area and tortured it.

I have helped the situation infinitely more than other posters that have been overly emotional and came to a ridiculous unfounded conclusion in my opinion.

So for you to say I offered no comfort or advice is completely inaccurate.

And you think others immediately offered comfort???? Here are some of the first few responses in this thread. Please tell me how they are comforting to someone that has lost all composure.

1) That's really horrible I would definitely complain about it, then maybe they can come and ask questions to the neighbors.

2) Oh my gosh..that is horrible! There are some sick people out there. I would report it to autorities and see what they can find out.

3) OMGOMGOMG!!!

I'm HORRIFIED to read this.. i have goosebumps all over and my stomach is soo upset. That is the worst thing I have read in a long time! Especially from a Chaz dog too!! Report them ANYWAYS. There will more then likely be a BLOOD TRAIL!! Get the police involved ASAP!! Poor Mocha will more then likely be lame for along time now and be completely petrified of his nails trimmed again. That hs caused irreprible damange mentally!! Report, report, report! You have neighbour witnesses - they were helping you look for him!! PLEASE keep us updated! In the least - those *refrain words* MUST pay for the vet bills!

4) OMgosh!!! Poor Mocha. Agreed.. report it anyway!

5) If it were my dog, and I found out who the person was, I would turn their life into a living hell........

6) I can't believe someone would hurt an innocent animal! It makes me so mad! If it were my dog I'd flip out and march over there!!

None of the above really offer much comfort at all. They just help to contribute to the loss of emotions and composure. Which is a very bad thing in a crisis situation.

 

[Whisper]

gotta say, i'm with stickner. this whole thread has been ultimately bizarre. i'm shocked how few people have mentioned that the entire scenario could have been totally avoided if the OP kept her dogs in a fenced yard and/or supervised them. no matter what the neighbors did or did not do, the central responsibile person is the OP.

i'm sorry the OP is upset, and i'm sorry her dog is hurt. but a wet dog with some broken toenails is a whole lot better than a lot of scenarios i've seen. dogs who have been killed while in their own securely fenced yards. dogs who have been hit by cars. dogs who have been shot.

a little perspective is a good thing.

Yes, this is true, and the OP stated she would not let the dogs out of her sight anymore. It was already addressed, the OP knows it, and bringing up what already happened is not helping the OP.

 

[Whisper]

What we have to gain here is pointing out to people that flying off the handle is not the most effective way to handle a crisis. We can also benefit by people learning that taking a "mob mentality" approach and completely dismissing the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is a VERY BAD IDEA.

What we also have to gain is people thoroughly understanding that the reason the dog was injured in the first place is that there was not proper fencing and/or adequate supervision.



I offered no comfort or advice??? Huh??? In my first post in this thread I stated:

"I read so much on here from people that you need to strictly control your dog's environment. Putting your dog into a situation where it can wander off and hurt itself or be hurt by others is an issue the owner needs to deal with.

I hope the little pooch is OK!!! But reporting the neighbors without ANY proof for something that was most likely an accident is a very unwise plan of action."

I offered the advice that the owner needs to be responsible for its dog. I also said I hope the little pooch is OK. That is offering comfort. I have stated that several times in this thread. I also offered the advice that reporting this without any proof is an unwise plan of action. Many other posters immediately offered the exact opposite advice and said to call the authorities. You just didn't like my approach because I didn't jump on the "mob mentality" bandwagon and come to the ludicrous conclusion that the neighbor lured the dog into an enclosed area and tortured it.

I have helped the situation infinitely more than other posters that have been overly emotional and came to a ridiculous unfounded conclusion in my opinion.

So for you to say I offered no comfort or advice is completely inaccurate.

And you think others immediately offered comfort???? Here are some of the first few responses in this thread. Please tell me how they are comforting to someone that has lost all composure.

1) That's really horrible I would definitely complain about it, then maybe they can come and ask questions to the neighbors.

2) Oh my gosh..that is horrible! There are some sick people out there. I would report it to autorities and see what they can find out.

3) OMGOMGOMG!!!

I'm HORRIFIED to read this.. i have goosebumps all over and my stomach is soo upset. That is the worst thing I have read in a long time! Especially from a Chaz dog too!! Report them ANYWAYS. There will more then likely be a BLOOD TRAIL!! Get the police involved ASAP!! Poor Mocha will more then likely be lame for along time now and be completely petrified of his nails trimmed again. That hs caused irreprible damange mentally!! Report, report, report! You have neighbour witnesses - they were helping you look for him!! PLEASE keep us updated! In the least - those *refrain words* MUST pay for the vet bills!

4) OMgosh!!! Poor Mocha. Agreed.. report it anyway!

5) If it were my dog, and I found out who the person was, I would turn their life into a living hell........

6) I can't believe someone would hurt an innocent animal! It makes me so mad! If it were my dog I'd flip out and march over there!!

None of the above really offer much comfort at all. They just help to contribute to the loss of emotions and composure. Which is a very bad thing in a crisis situation.

When did I mention other people offered comfort and advice??? I don't think I ever stated that. Pointing out what she did wrong ( that has already been stated) is not advice.
I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, as you've stated repeatedly, in bold and large print, that it never would have happened had they been supervised and/or in a fenced yard. The OP knows his now, and you are not helping, because we all know this, and all you have is arguments that the OP was irresponsible. You don't think she learned her lesson? She said she wasn't going to let her dogs unsupervised anymore. It's already happened and the OP learned through this experience. I don't even know why we're still talking about this. Basically, neither of us talking about this is helping, so I'm going to stop now.

 

[stickner]

Yes, this is true, and the OP stated she would not let the dogs out of her sight anymore. It was already addressed, the OP knows it, and bringing up what already happened is not helping the OP.

How are the following statements helping the OP??????? Please do not dodge this question. Just answer how the following statements made in this thread are helping the OP???????

Get the police involved ASAP

Poor Mocha will more then likely be lame for along time now and be completely petrified of his nails trimmed again.

That hs caused irreprible damange mentally!!

In the least - those *refrain words* MUST pay for the vet bills!

report it anyway!

If it were my dog, and I found out who the person was, I would turn their life into a living hell........

If it were my dog I'd flip out and march over there!!

Second, report this! Even if something can not be done to them at least instilling in them the fear that YOU know what happened may be enough to stop them

Reporting them is minimal in my opinion. i would make their life a living hell..

That's TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something like that is soooooooooooooo painful!!!! What is the matter with some people?!?!?!

Those people would be seriously hurting if they ever touched one of my dogs. They would need to see how it feels to have their blood all over!

I know how it feels to have a wierd neighbor that you cannot trust.

There are some sick people out there. I would report it to autorities and see what they can find out.

 

[stickner]

When did I mention other people offered comfort and advice??? I don't think I ever stated that. Pointing out what she did wrong ( that has already been stated) is not advice.

My advice was to not call the authorities without ANY proof. My advice was also to fence her yard.

You pointed out that I offered no comfort. That is not true. I did offer comfort. You have a history of innacurracies in this thread. I find it amusing that you didn't single out some other users that offered no comfort at all but simply had the "go get the neighbor" approach. How come you did not comment to them that they offered no comfort for the well being of the dog???

 

[Whisper]

I told you. I'm done arguing.



M&M's Mommy- I hope Mocha feels better soon!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stickner]

I told you. I'm done arguing.

But this is not an argument. It is a discussion. I have taken the logical, calm, rational, and compassionate approach to the situation. Because I didn't jump on the "lets go string up the neighbor" bandwagon, I have been told I am not helping and I am attacking other posters. Nothing of the sort. I prefer rational, logical and controlled emotions in all situations, especially crisis situations.

You made statements that I proceeded to show as being inaccurate. Me thinks you don't like that. So you decide to call it an argument and say you don't want to participate any longer. OK.

You told me I am not helping. I then proceed to list a number of statements in this thread that are not at all helping the OP and ask you to explain how they are helping. You decided to not answer that question. Why is that?

 

[Ashlea]

I think it is time to climb off your high horse, whether the neighbour did it or not is now irrelivant. No one died and made you hall monitor. You remind me of the kid in class that made it his personal mission to get everone into trouble.

 

[tessa_s212]

stickner.. seriously, go catch a nap.

You have already made your point(over and over again), and the OP has already obviously learned from her mistake. You are doing nothing but being condescending and stirring up trouble. I'm sure people would be much more appreciative if you would not be out looking to start a fight on this thread.

BTW, for someone that feels it is so important to learn from their mistakes, I can only hope you do the same with yourself. I can't imagine you doing that. My thoughts is that you will go on to defend yourself and argue more.. but hey, prove me wrong!

 

[DanL]

I gotta say, Stickner is being more of a voice of reason here than anyone else is. Most of the posts on this topic had a gang up on the neighbor mentality simply based on the title of the post. An outburst of emotion with nothing proving anyone aside from the dog owner did anything wrong.

I also don't think it is hurting anything by making the statements that none of this would have happened if the dog had been properly watched or contained. People jump all over certain topics when irresponsibility is the root of the issue, so making that statement here is no different. If the person posting this had been one of a handful of others who are often talked down to or have their mistakes pointed out over and over, the tone of the posts would have been much different.

I feel bad that the pup in question here was hurt, but look at the root cause and stop with the mob justice. If there is any sympathy to be doled out, let it be for the pup.

 

[stickner]

stickner.. seriously, go catch a nap.

You have already made your point(over and over again), and the OP has already obviously learned from her mistake. You are doing nothing but being condescending and stirring up trouble. I'm sure people would be much more appreciative if you would not be out looking to start a fight on this thread.

BTW, for someone that feels it is so important to learn from their mistakes, I can only hope you do the same with yourself. I can't imagine you doing that. My thoughts is that you will go on to defend yourself and argue more.. but hey, prove me wrong!

So not agreeing with the "mob mentality" posters in this thread is making a mistake? Having a differing opinion on what happened and how to handle it makes me wrong??? For pete's sak, another poster in this thread said that they would want the neighbors "to see how it feels to have their blood all over!".

That is a pretty frightening comment. How come nobody has pointed out exactly how wrong, dangerous, and emotionally unbalanced that comment was? Please answer this question.

I am simply not backing down and will continue to state my opinion when other posters put down me and my logical and reasonable assesment of the situation.

I don't have to defend my position.... Logical and reasonable thought is my foundation. But I will defend when other posters make statements that are inaccurate about what I did or did not say.

 

[tessa_s212]

It is not your opinion we are attacking, it is the way in which you express that opinion. You say you refuse to back down, and that is the problem. The OP has already stated she made a mistake. Has already admitted to that, and has learned from it. What more would you like?

 

[stickner]

It is not your opinion we are attacking, it is the way in which you express that opinion. You say you refuse to back down, and that is the problem. The OP has already stated she made a mistake. Has already admitted to that, and has learned from it. What more would you like?

Please answer the question I posted to you. To remind you:

For pete's sak, another poster in this thread said that they would want the neighbors "to see how it feels to have their blood all over!".

That is a pretty frightening comment. How come nobody has pointed out exactly how wrong, dangerous, and emotionally unbalanced that comment was? Please answer this question.

People are saying I am not helping. I have advised to approach crisis situations with controlled emotions. I have advised to not contact the authoritoes without any proof. I have advised to make certain there is adequate fencing and/or supervision. How is that not helping?

I posted a list of comments in this thread that are clearly not helping in my opinion. I have asked another poster to explain to me how those comments are helping the OP. She has yet to answer. Do you care to take a shot at answering how those comments are helping the OP???

 

[casablanca1]

I gotta say, Stickner is being more of a voice of reason here than anyone else is.

Oh, please. Just because he's hot for equal time for both sides, he's reasonable? How reasonable is it to go onto a thread obviously devoted to venting, then **** and moan that it's not Face The Nation?

He's just an immature guy who can't stand the girly-girl emotionalism but instead of just going 'urgh' and nipping off to find a thread more to his liking, he just had to jump in and set everyone straight. Now, that's his right, of course, to join in. But it's hardly reasonable to join in a discussion whose entire tone you loathe, and then complain that nobody understands you.

 

[sparks19]

I just have to add that I don't think coming onto an internet forum constitues as flying off the handle. if she were to fly off the handle she would have been over at the neighbours or calling the police. She wasn't even planning on calling the police (if you read the first post) and she wanted reassurance that she was doing the right thing by not calling it in because she had no proof. I don't think this is unreasonable at all. Haven't you ever been angry with someone and just vented about it to someone? You can't tell me you have never been angry with someone. I don't think the neighbour is any worse for the wear because she posted about them on an internet forum

You have made your point perfectly clear. I think if you wish to discuss this topic further you should make your own thread and we can all quite hijacking the OP's thread with this petty crap. or perhaps you could take it to PM so none of us have to see this petty crap.

This is what is wrong with this forum these days. No one can post ANYTHING without the fear of everyone attacking them for it. If my dog died I would be afraid to post it here for fear I would be labelled an unfit pet owner or a murderer or something. Seems a little extreme but this seems to be exactly where this forum is headed. Very sad

I think we should get back to what REALLY MATTERS.

How is Mocha feeling today? Are his nails looking any better? I know how it is to have a pup with sore feet We always feel so bad for them but it always seems that it is not as painful for them as it is for us.