cropped ears
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What'll happen if it's banned in the US is that the responsible people who should be allowed to make these decisions about their dogs won't be allowed, and the idiots who do their crop in the kitchen with a pair of rusty scissors will still be cropping in the kitchen with a pair of rusty scissors.
Banning dog fighting hasn't made it stop, after all.
I know exactly why both cropping and docking were done in the first place, and I respect people's right to decide whether or not they want their dog cropped. We all respect other breeds rights to maintain their original structure that was designed for their original purpose, regardless of whether or not a particular dog still does the original work. Well, maybe not America show line GSDs, but that's another post entirely.
Why can't we respect the maintainance of cropped/docked breeds' original structure, or at least the ability of those owners to CHOOSE?
Banning dog fighting hasn't made it stop, after all.
I know exactly why both cropping and docking were done in the first place, and I respect people's right to decide whether or not they want their dog cropped. We all respect other breeds rights to maintain their original structure that was designed for their original purpose, regardless of whether or not a particular dog still does the original work. Well, maybe not America show line GSDs, but that's another post entirely.
Why can't we respect the maintainance of cropped/docked breeds' original structure, or at least the ability of those owners to CHOOSE?Cropping IS banned in some countries (mine).
You do NOT get back street cropped dogs.
There are NO cropped dogs.
Cropping is not a sport unlike dog fighting. There would be NO gain from cropping a dog here, they cannot be shown.
The right to choose is a tricky one.
Do I have the right to choose to breed my cross breed? Do I have the right to choose to fight my dog? Do I have the right to choose to smack my child?
Where would you like the line drawn?
Look at any of my other posts. When it comes to HUMANS I think we have the right to choose what we do.
When it comes to ANIMALS, with NO say in the matter, we should protect them and let them live as trouble free, and as free from abuse (of any kind) as possible.
Afterall, they have been produced BY humans FOR humans, they do not choose to be here, they do not choose to have cosmetic surgery.
I will speak for them. And try and protect them.
You do NOT get back street cropped dogs.
There are NO cropped dogs.
Cropping is not a sport unlike dog fighting. There would be NO gain from cropping a dog here, they cannot be shown.
The right to choose is a tricky one.
Do I have the right to choose to breed my cross breed? Do I have the right to choose to fight my dog? Do I have the right to choose to smack my child?
Where would you like the line drawn?
Look at any of my other posts. When it comes to HUMANS I think we have the right to choose what we do.
When it comes to ANIMALS, with NO say in the matter, we should protect them and let them live as trouble free, and as free from abuse (of any kind) as possible.
Afterall, they have been produced BY humans FOR humans, they do not choose to be here, they do not choose to have cosmetic surgery.
I will speak for them. And try and protect them.
No they don't choose to be cropped/docked, choose to be here, They also don't choose to be spayed/neutered. We do this for our convenience not for theirs.
The reason for spaying/neutering prevents cancer but in reality how many cancers are reproductive cancers. Bitches can still get mammary tumors even if spayed. Spaying/neutering does reduce the risk but doesn't eliminate it.
Here is a great link please read it is your choice to read.
http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/neutr.html
The reason for spaying/neutering prevents cancer but in reality how many cancers are reproductive cancers. Bitches can still get mammary tumors even if spayed. Spaying/neutering does reduce the risk but doesn't eliminate it.
Here is a great link please read it is your choice to read.
http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/neutr.html
Boxerowner said:
No they don't choose to be cropped/docked, choose to be here, They also don't choose to be spayed/neutered. We do this for our convenience not for theirs.
The reason for spaying/neutering prevents cancer but in reality how many cancers are reproductive cancers. Bitches can still get mammary tumors even if spayed. Spaying/neutering does reduce the risk but doesn't eliminate it.
Here is a great link please read it is your choice to read.
http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/neutr.html
The reason for spaying/neutering prevents cancer but in reality how many cancers are reproductive cancers. Bitches can still get mammary tumors even if spayed. Spaying/neutering does reduce the risk but doesn't eliminate it.
Here is a great link please read it is your choice to read.
http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/neutr.html
.....compared to those not spaying/neutering. This is just the most ridiculous arguement I have EVER heard.
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dr2little said:
How can you honestly compare the two? What are the repercussions of NOT CROPPING/DOCKING .....compared to those not spaying/neutering. This is just the most ridiculous arguement I have EVER heard.
.....compared to those not spaying/neutering. This is just the most ridiculous arguement I have EVER heard.
Oh, believe me I do get it...dogs are dying due to over population, a situation that was created by us and is our responsibility to resolve..thus spay/neuter is a NECESSITY as education does not always work.How many dogs are dying because of cropping/docking bans???? What the he!!?
Post's like yours just add to the flip side of the spay/neuter debate...sad way to make a point.
Bin had testicle cancer, he was an intact male. Fortuantely it was caught in time and he lived to a grand old age. ONLLLLY because during a routine phyical the vet found the enlarged testicle. Mary had a silent heat..ok everyone get up and say no such thing, but she did. She had it EARLY TOO. I don't think i have ever seen an ear do anything but get a hematoma and that was when an infection had gone unchecked, or an injury as a bite caused it to swell. An ear doesn't make puppies to suffer abandonment, or worse, it doesn't cause a male to wander and be hit by a car trying to get to the neighbor's dog that is in season. It isn't a female worn out by repeated unwanted breedings. I don't know how in the world that comparison ever came up and what line of thinking led up to it.
Fact is you either believe in it or you don't. THe two subjects have nothing to do with each other, cropping and docking vs spaying and neutering.
A dog in heat will do just about anything in the world to get out, and a male will find avenues you never thought of for finding her. It is a danger to both, it is a crying shame for the puppies, so lets all get back to the original topic.
I had a friend that ended up a shrink. She told me a good piece of advice about a debate. ALways keep it in the field, don't let it get sidelined into other times, old events, and unrelated topics.
In truth i am amazed this thread has made it this far without being locked.
Fact is you either believe in it or you don't. THe two subjects have nothing to do with each other, cropping and docking vs spaying and neutering.
A dog in heat will do just about anything in the world to get out, and a male will find avenues you never thought of for finding her. It is a danger to both, it is a crying shame for the puppies, so lets all get back to the original topic.
I had a friend that ended up a shrink. She told me a good piece of advice about a debate. ALways keep it in the field, don't let it get sidelined into other times, old events, and unrelated topics.
In truth i am amazed this thread has made it this far without being locked.
No one is saying you don't love your dog. Anymore then anyone that has their baby circumsized is accused of not loving their baby. The point is the practice itself and the validity of it's necessity. Many practices in the past we now look at as barbaric but at the time the people thought they were doing the right thing. The point is "is it necessary now?" or can we learn to appriciate the natural design that the dog was born with and see the beauty there without feeling that we have to alter it for our own benefit.
ANd Boxer owner you have the right to your opinion, and others have the right to disagree without slamming or resulting in unsuitable language.
ANd Boxer owner you have the right to your opinion, and others have the right to disagree without slamming or resulting in unsuitable language.
Please read this again!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/neutr.html
From this link
"Castration predisposes to highly malignant prostatic cancer. Nearly all dogs afflicted with this nasty tumor are neutered individuals."
"male-to-male dog-to-dog aggression is the only justification for castration."
From this link
"Castration predisposes to highly malignant prostatic cancer. Nearly all dogs afflicted with this nasty tumor are neutered individuals."
"male-to-male dog-to-dog aggression is the only justification for castration."
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