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This forum to me was explained to be a place where knowledgeable people in the dog sport and breeding world get together....a place with high regards for proper breeding practices and dog care in general...now that i point out that a valued member of your group might have put such important ethical beliefs aside to obtain a coolie on breeding rights might be a bit disconcerning yes but not worth accusing me of; "not having coolies" or that coolies as a breed is actually not a breed, or that I have mutts or any of the other really hard things mentioned above
I think that people are just confused because you stated that your dogs share some common relatives with Linds and Sara's dogs but that Koolies and Coolies were were two distinct and separate breeds. Which seems to say that your dogs are a mix of Coolie and Koolie.

Also just a FYI, what people are objecting to is your presentation of information. Specifically that you seem to have a hard time not using Linds and Sara as poor examples of Koolie owners and their dogs as poor examples of the breed. You don't have to like them or agree with them or like their dogs or the breeder they went to. I think you've made it 100% clear that you don't. However, you should be able to discuss your breed, their traits and what you personally do without putting down other people or dogs. It is obvious you don't have the "proof" against Linds that you claimed to have in your introduction thread. People were willing to let that slide and give you a new start when you reintroduced yourself and your dogs in this thread. But that won't continue if you can't politely discuss your dogs and breeding on their own merit.

Also...there is a lot more to Chaz than Coolies and Koolies. Most people on this forum do not own the breed and never will. Feel free to discuss training, trailing, breeding, enjoy photos others post, etc.
 
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and by the knowledge that is here I can say it comes from one side of a multi faceted coin...the information available here is very much based on the Toolalla side of information....saras vague explanation of the split is basically a rehash from the toolalla web site (for ex....)
 

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"The knowledge that is here"

Because you know the knowledge in people's heads? sorry that they didn't ask about your dogs? Not that they would have gotten anythign good said to them anyway...
 

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I can tell there is a need for more information and that little to no real information from MULTIPLE breeders in AUSTRALIA has been obtained by the questions being asked
Because the questions being asking couldn't possibly be because people are trying (very hard despite increasingly insurmountable odds) to figure out YOUR stance amidst the stances of others they have talked to. No no, it must be because they are ignorant fools who have been brainwashed by the incredible mind control powers of the chickens.

 
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I have posted in other threads....just not any worth you slaying me over i guess....sorry

Most of this thread has been trying to prove these coolies are less coolie then the coolies you have been experiencing.. so since those ASSumtions come from the fact that most of your thoughts are forged from information given to you (as a whole not a singling out here) by a source less then respected in my coolie circle as to ethical behavior...yes it has brought up L & S often as they are the one relaying such information....i can refer to a long time past thread on chaz where /Linds mentioned "solid coolies are RARE in Aus. so merle to merle is common practices"///FALSE INFO
 

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I love chickens, they are so cute. oolies (I'm just omitting the first letter) are darn cute too. To know what kind of dog I would be getting, BC-looks-wise, I'd look at parents, previous puppies if possible, grandparents, cousins, etc. and get a feel for them. Same thing for temperaments, drive etc. I think the method of breeding has worked alright thus far, and they do have a look despite not being bred for one.

This thread has a surreal vibe. :D
 

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I don't think Avalon is doing anything wrong. I think the Coolie "breed" is a mess concerning standards, breeders, COEs etc. I do also feel that only one breeders dogs have been shown a lot here, so the information we have is sort of one sided. Not saying the digs are right but she wasn't met with the warmest welcome.
 
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I think since the origin of this post was actually people trying to learn about the REAL purpose of this breed and its working style, I invite anyone not interested in exactly that to remove them selves form said thread....let agree to disagree and we can move on with the OPost from ME the OP...so I think we were talking about diffences between Kelpies, ACD'S and Aussies in their working ability....
 

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I have a question. I'm not sure if it's been gone over or not.

Are Coolies vocal while working livestock? I know most BCs are very silent workers. I believe some other herding breeds are vocal dogs but become quite silent while they work. Comparing the loudness of Coolies at home, at play and at work, are they vocal all the time?
 
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Now as for working style...they are laid back, perfect for ranching or in cutblocks, very much like collies, smooth or rough for that matter...kelpies like to drop the head, and i have a few coolies that do but most are straight up workers...eyes out is never a problem for them, therefor working stock without too much predotory feel, makes for smoother moving...I have dogs that love ranch work but not so much trial work, and then i have dogs that work great for both but do better for ranch work because getting the job done fast is not necesarily a priority for them. I like that for ranch work, who wants to be stressed and pressured when doing morning or evening chores...not me...lol
So for trial work i train dogs with more eye and crawl for more speed.

The ease in training i think is what sets them apart from other breeds, they do not lock on so are more influenceable during the training moments, they are more laid back so are not looking to rush sheep past, thru or over you lol...and they are independent so do amazing with more europeing style herding, perimeter work more less, like the old fashion GSD...they will work a ditch line for grazing without fences with little to no direction at all
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Yes, I was also wondering if they were noisy and or quiet when they're working/focused on a task. Also, I would really love to see video of them working if you do get the chance. :)
 
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Vocal skills....they have pipes yes....in my lines we have some bark with very nice emotional control by the handler...they are vocal in the round pen for the first 3 or 4 go's but then are silent...not a peep unless being challenged and even then they will use presence first until right on flight zone....and if the sheep stomps their feets yes they are received with a sharp BARK...one...
 

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Oh, and just wondering if there is a specific type of livestock they're used more on, or are they used for all types?
 

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Yeah, I have to say, I know that some threads can get off topic at times, but come on, make you own thread.

Okay, I have to admit, I really like the long legs of Linds and Sara's Coolies. Is there are reason you choose to work with that type of Coolie? I know you only have experience with your type, but do you know which ones work better for the work that you do? Would you work with a longer leg Coolie?
 
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At home we have peace and quiet....LOVE THAT...alert barking to someone driving in the driveway yes....do they stop when I say "thank you followed by a whistle" yes they do...they dont bark at cats, dogs at the dog park, horses or anything...playing ball, frisbee, mine are quiet when we play...and I do not tolerate "inapropriate herding of family members"..dogs are not for moving....us owning a doggy daycare and social setting boarding has offered planty practices and success in training this
 
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we are in "Happy beef" (happy beef, funny nick name to our large free range raised canadian beef in northern BC and Alberta mostly) central....for working cattle no we dont prefer longer legs...smaller allows for the hoof to go above the head if a kick is ever close enough...this is my preference
 
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